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I also think its pretty amazing the confidence some of you all have in Hogan to convert a 4th down at midfield...

But then want to say Hue has horrible game managing skills. #chill

I guess I'm seeing it a tad different. To me it looked like Kessler has been getting better about throwing the ball away. The play he went on, I don't think he was hurt by the guy who tackled him, it was another defender clipping him in the head. I may be parsing things a bit, but that to me is more of a freak type of thing versus standing still at the end of a 7 step drop and 300lbs bearing down on you.

But I suppose one could still make the argument that on that very play he completely forgot that "discretion is the better part of valor".

But hey, another week or 2 and we'll be working our way back UP the QB ladder lol

i was watching games around the league.

the difference between kessler and other QB's is that he can't withstand the punishment. O line's around the nfl are either bad, or out talented by the crazy talent of these D lines.

I mean matt ryan was getting crushed as well. but he got back up like nothing.

our QB's are straight up soft when it comes to hits.

How do you get soft from guys having broken bones and concussions?

There is a difference between Beasley hitting you off the edge and getting smacked in the face from right up the middle over and over again. Get hit enough and one is bound to be at a bad angle or in a bad spot.

Wholeheartedly, I disagree. Outside of RG3.. McCown and Kessler both seem to take their fair share of hard hits and get back up. Hogan bounced back up as well.

Long story short.. Not all hits are equal.

Kessler really can't push the ball down the field ... we are playing in a phone booth with him, and the defenses know it. He has to be perfect accuracy wise (and catch wise) to get 1st downs

kirksey should have been rushing Dalton

j/c:

CLE-CIN GRADES: BENGALS WR A.J. GREEN CONTINUES IMPRESSIVE SEASON



Quarterback grade: Kevin Hogan 80.2 (55.8 passing, 95.8 running)

While Cody Kessler (68.0 overall grade) got the start again, it was Kevin Hogan who was the story in the game for the Browns at quarterback—first as a surprising choice as the Browns’ change-of-pace QB, and then taking over for an injured Kessler. The Bengals clearly were not prepared for Hogan’s threat as a runner, and even as the game wore on, did not adjust to Hogan’s willingness to keep the ball on read options. Hogan led the Browns in rushing with 104 yards on seven attempts, 35 of those coming on designed runs and four gains of 10 or more yards on designed runs. All this talk of Hogan’s running, however, makes the point in its own way about his passing, which was inconsistent at best, Hogan completed just 50 percent of his passes and couldn’t get the short-passing game going, averaging just 3.2 yards per attempt on short passes (9 or fewer yards in the air).

Top offensive grades

G/C John Greco, 85.8

RT Austin Pasztor, 83.2

LT Joe Thomas, 78.2

C Cameron Erving, 75.5

TE Gary Barnidge, 74.0

Offensive line makes its mark on Bengals’ run defense

The Bengals’ run defense isn’t used to being shoved around, but they were tested physically by the Browns’ offensive line this week, with John Greco in particular taking it to the Bengals’ defensive tackles, driving the likes of Geno Atkins, Pat Sims, and Domata Peko backwards on a consistent basis. The Browns’ interior offensive held Atkins without a stop for the first time this season, and controlled him to ensure he earned his lowest run-defense grade of his career. Isaiah Crowell (67.4 overall grade; 71.8 running grade) made the best use of the Browns’ run blocking, and if the Browns had been able to keep the game closer, their ground attack looked like a potential weapon to control this football game.

Top defensive grades

S Derrick Kindred, 77.1

CB Tramon Williams, 73.4

CB Tracy Howard, 72.3

DE Xavier Cooper, 60.4

CB Briean Boddy-Calhoun, 54.0

Browns’ run defense springs a leak

Just as the Browns’ offensive line got the best of the Bengals’ run defense, so Cleveland’s run defense was bested by the Cincinnati ground game. Defensive end Xavier Cooper was the only front-seven defender for the Browns to earn a run-defense grade of 50.0 or higher, as the Bengals ran up and down the field on Cleveland with big plays and consistent gains alike. The Browns didn’t miss tackles, but simply struggled to get contact on the ball carrier early to slow the ground attack. The Bengals’ offensive line picked up nearly 3 yards per carry before contact, and Jeremy Hill added plenty after first contact. The pass-rush of Emmanuel Ogbah was a bright spot, but the extremely poor game in run defense overwhelmed that highlight.

PFF Game-Ball Winner: Bengals WR A.J. Green

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-cle-cin-grades/

Good point.

As far as soft, I dunno man. I know every QB takes a big hit now and then, but I'm not sure how many QB's out there could stand up to the amount of punishment our QB's have been subjected to.

every game our QB gets smashed, shoulder first, into the turf at least 3 times ... it's incredible

The defensive grades are mind-blowing.

Simply put, it's too easy to throw on us. We just can't stop the pass.

and yesterday we couldn't stop the run either ... our defense was the worst its been in years IMO

Still well on our way to winning the #1 pick.

We are at the point where were picking out tidbits to praise , looked good on that play, nice tackle, nice run. This is horrible , unacceptable, garbage. This team would lose to the 1999 version , Pryor is the only NFL talent on this roster, Thomas is old and accepts losing and Hayden is broken down, overrated and injured, The FO cramming moneyball down our throats is not working, you need talented smart players, not players that would be 2nd or 3rd string on any team above 500.

Settle lawsuits, this is a cash grab for him nothing more, I was the owner of an 0 an 7 team I would be livid.

we will trade down with it

Ya ... Cody's WAY BETTER than Wentz and Bradford .. cause u know .. they STINK ... *LOL* ...

Watched it now Lamp ... and u are DEAD NUTS WRONG ... the dude who wrote the article was wrong also .. here's how it broke down .. SORRY IF ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FACTS gets in the way of your defense of Hue ...

We had 2 time outs left when the drive started .. we used one on the HORRIBLE CHALLENGE ..

They ran there first play with 1:03 left .. 5 yard gain and we called our 2nd time out with :58 left so that took 5 seconds ... making it 2nd down and 5 ...

So lets ASSume best case scenario for us .. we'll IGNORE the fact that 2nd and 5 is a PLUS YARDAGE for the O and that we hadn't moved the ball through the air at all .. so even if we did happen to stop them .. the odds of us scoring were slim to none anyhow ..

OK .. so BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR US ..

There's 58 seconds left .. we have 1 TO left ..

They run and we stop them ... we'll say the play took 4 seconds ... so we use our 3rd and FINAL TIMEOUT at :54 ... now its 3rn and 4 ... WERE OUT OF TIMEOUTS ..

They run their 3rd down play and we stop them .. we'll take 5 seconds off the clock cause we can't stop it and the 40 second play clock doesn't start til the ref places the ball ..

So now were down to 49 seconds .... CLOCK RUNNING ... lets say they snap it with 4 secs left on the 40 second clock .. thats 36 seconds off of 49 .. so now were down to 13 seconds ... and we have the punt .. after the punt is over .. we wil more than likely have 3 or 4 seconds left to run ONE PLAY ...

THATS BEST CASE SCENARIO LAMP .. BEST CASE ...

So your telling me it was AGGRESSIVE and SMART to take a TO on a 2nd and 5 at the OFF CHANCE we actually stop them from getting the 1st so we have a chance to block/return a punt and run ONE PLAY ...

Sorry bro .. like i said earlier .. its plain FLAT OUT STUPID ...

PLEASE MATHAMETICALY REFUTE ME ...

No need to apologize Lamp ...

Read my post above this one ..

Then get back to me ...

Lamp was basing his entire defense of Hue off FAULTY LOCIC (I.E.: bad math .. ) ..

Lamp's scenario of getting the ball back with 40 - 45 seconds just isn't FACTUAL ..

Maybe Lamp thought we had all 3 to's .. i dunno .. but his ENTIRE PREMISE WAS WRONG based off faulty math ..

Damn, I hate being proven wrong. Lol

This may be a reach but consider: if the Bengals throw an incomplete pass it's the same as a timeout, is it not?

Yes it is ... but your premise was based on them staying CONSERVATIVE ..

Lamp .. Hue is human just like us .. he's going to make mistakes .. ITS OK to just admit it when he does ..

I like what he's done so far in many many regards .. and i want to see him get his 3 years minimum ... but he's done some real boneheaded things that make me think he doesn't think clearly at end of half or game situations ... he also gets to cute at times ...but i still like the guy and think hes doing a very good job overall ..

See .. its not that hard ..

*L* ..

I heard a lot that we are losing because we have 8 starters out...

Reserve/Injured

# NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE
75 Bitonio, Joel OL 6-4 305 25 3 Nevada
10 Griffin III, Robert QB 6-2 218 26 5 Baylor
85 Hall, Rannell WR 6-0 200 23 1 Central Florida
70 Lawrence-Stample, Nile DL 6-1 320 24 R Florida State
2 Murray, Patrick K 5-7 182 25 3 Fordham
43 Neal, Rajion RB 5-11 211 23 1 Tennessee
44 Orchard, Nate LB 6-4 255 23 2 Utah
83 Parks, Dennis WR 6-2 201 22 R Rice
33 Poyer, Jordan DB 6-0 191 25 4 Oregon State
62 Reiter, Austin OL 6-3 307 24 1 South Florida
28 Winston, Glenn RB 6-2 220 27 3 Northwood
97 Wynn, Dylan DL 6-2 283 23 1 Oregon State


Hmmmm ? where's Hadens name ? Where do you see 8 starters here ?

6 QB's in 7 weeks. That's all there is to say. I'm not sure how anyone could expect us to win?

considering that's IR and not just injured...
Here's week 8's list: on top of the IR list:

Erving, Cameron G Illness Questionable
Kessler, Cody QB Concussion Questionable
Burley, Marcus CB Hamstring Questionable
Haden, Joe CB Groin Questionable
Whitehurst, Charlie QB Knee Questionable
Cooper, Xavier DE Shoulder Questionable
DeValve, Seth TE Knee Questionable
Coleman, Corey WR Hand Out
McCown, Josh QB Collarbone Questionable
Williams, K'Waun CB Ankle Out
Moore, Marlon WR Hip Out
Rose, Kyle DT Undisclosed Questionable
Boffeli, Conor G Knee Non-Football Injury
Bryant, Desmond DE Chest Non-Football Injury
Caldwell, Trey CB Hamstring Questionable
Jeffcoat, Jackson LB Hamstring PUP List
Pough, Keith LB Undisclosed Out
Skov, Patrick RB Foot

that's an additional 18 injured players on this list
.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns-team-injuries?season=2016&seasonType=1&week=8


All in all we have an injury list that is 30 players deep.


Again, what can we expect when more than half of our roster is players that are injured?

I believe there are teams w/even more injuries. It's a part of the NFL now.

like who?

Look it up, Super.

Someone posted it on another thread this past week. I'm not making it up.

Bless this man! Winston has managed to make $1,467,529 through three years with Browns. He has a total of 1 carry for -8 yards and a fumble. My hat's off to the hustle.

glenn "lochness" winston

Chargers for one I do believe.

http://www.chargers.com/news/2016/10/04/full-list-chargers-2016-transactions

October 10 - There are now 16 players on the Reserve-Injured list as the Bolts placed ILB Nick Dzubnar on IR with a knee injury.


here is the list of injured players
http://www.chargers.com/team/injury-report
Jahleel Addae
Jerry Attaochu
Travis Benjamin
Brandon Flowers
Chris Hairston
Dexter McCluster
Denzel Perryman


total of 23 players

23 wow that's insane

Did we bring K'Waun Williams back at some point?

Also, we waived Whitehurst with an injury settlement, so he's not on IR.

There are other guys no longer on the team whose names appear on that list as well.

Green Bay's another one ..

Last week they played without there top 3 CB's and there RB's were a dude promoted from the practice squad on Wed. And a guy they traded for on Tuesday and he played on Thursday night when the dude off the practice squad got hurt ..

TB played a game 2 weeks ago with NONE of the 4 STARTING D-LMAN in the lineup .. St. Louis did the same thing ... 3 of there top 4 were out ..

Look at Pitt's WR position .. Wheaton, Coates, Rodgers ... there playing there 5th opposite Antonio every week and it's their 6th is u want to include Bryant .. and these BUMS have Landry Jones throwing them the ball ..

And those teams all have ALOT MORE INJURIES ...

We've been HAMMERED .. no doubt .. but i said last week I'm not even sure if were in the top 5 ...

yes, k'waun is gone, has been gone.


j/c

The problem isn't injuries, the problem is quality depth.

It seems a lot of our injuries are on O but really, the huge, HUGE problem on this team is our defence. The O has kept us in games for the most part - even with all the shuffling on O.

I agree lamp ... I mean, we've scored an adequate amount of points given our lack of talent IMO ... our defense in ALL regards has been so, so bad

we have 30 LOL

Green Bay...

Lang, T.J.
G Hip Questionable
Jackson, Don
RB Hand Questionable
Randall, Damarious
CB Groin Out
Rollins, Quinten
CB Groin Questionable
Starks, James
RB Knee Out
Cook, Jared
TE Ankle Out
Steuck, Kyle
C Leg Out
Backman, Kennard
TE Leg Out
Walker, Josh
G Knee Out
Schmitt, Jesse
C Hand Out
Pikula, Manoa
LB Undisclosed Questionable
Henry, Mitchell
TE Finger Questionable
James, Josh
T Hamstring Questionable
Linsley, Corey
C Hamstring PUP List

14 injured

Sam Shields CB GB Concussion 11 $7,764,702 $5,176,468
Eddie Lacy RB GB Ankle 11 $698,434 $561,385
Tyler Kuder DT GB 17 $450,993 $450,993
John Crockett RB GB Shoulder 17 $347,990 $347,990
Makinton Dorleant CB GB 17 $332,996 $332,996
Chris Banjo SS GB Undisclosed 10 $237,050 $237,050
Jared Abbrederis WR GB Thigh 10 $204,700 $204,700

7 on IR

total 21 injured

again... we have 30 injured IR or injury/settled. that's 9 less players than us