DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... Election Thread #14: The Final Count Down

I agree. There are several Republicans who are going to come out of this looking pretty good. Ben Sasse, Lindsey Graham, and Kasich all look pretty smart at this point.

Oh.

Perhaps we should wait until the official vote is in and trump gets stomped, eh?

Or, maybe he'll just lose in a close election? God forbid he'd win. A bunch of people on here would be decimated. Reputations ruined.

I have a hunch hillary will win. She has too much money, and power. But lordy lordy, if she loses, look out.

When underdogs win, I like it.

Too many on here have already handed the election to hillary.

I know this means very little - I get it. But as I travel just n.w. Ohio - Fulton, Lucas (out skirts of lucas county - Sylvania, Perrysburg,) Henry, and Williams counties, and Defiance county, I haven't yet seen 1 single Hillary sign.

Not 1. Now, I haven't been IN toledo proper - other than going to Start H.S. And cruising 475 around Toledo.

But perhaps we should wait to crown hillary?

As I said, she's the favorite right now. But, just as the political threads have been full of hillary supporters while most of the conservatives have bowed out of posting, I have to wonder about her support being enough when the silent people go to the booth.

Hey, did you hear about the republican dude that went and voted for himself, but the voting machine change it to a vote for the democrat?

Whoever is running against Ryan will just have to remind everyone that he refused to pull his Trump endorsement even when it was clear he was going to lose. Done deal.

No. We don't need to do that. It's been over for awhile. Trump basically needed to run a perfect campaign to even have a chance. He ran a less than perfect campaign (it's probably because he had no clue what he was doing and never expected to be in the position he is in).

This is not me hoping someone will win. This is math.

(Like I said in a previous thread, I consider myself conservative and have voted for the Republican presidential nominee every time I have voted for President.)

Doubt it.

To be clear, I'm talking about any Republican primary Paul Ryan might be in in the future, not a Senate race.

I seriously doubt it, look at what people are willing to forgive (overlook, ignore) in the two dumpster fires that are running now.

If the worst one can point to on anyone is they endorsed or didn't endorse Trump that's like child's play compared to selling uranium to Russia or being a womanizer/accused rapist.

I'd smirk at my opponent if all they were going to say was 'yeah but you endorsed trump'.

Sorry pal, but that literally is the best you've got on me and it's not enough so how about we just discuss the issues?

This line of thinking is hilarious.

Clinton is gonna win because she has money and power?

The guy she's running against is a billionaire. He buys politicians. That's power.

There's always gotta be an asterisk with you. It just can't be the fact that Trump is trash and the majority of Americans want nothing to do with him. Keep that circus in reality TV land.

For the party and ideology of personal accountability, you and others sure do make a lot of excuses.

It's why they and Trump are a match made in heaven.

You are right, this means very little. Since Feb, or even before that...I have driven all over Portland and not once in this city of 630,000 people (and 2.4 million in Greater Portland) have I seen one Trump sign. Not one. Are there Trump voters in Portland? I am sure there are. But, if I go by the logic of looking for lawn signs, bumper stickers etc. to see where the support is all I see up here is Hillary support, and before her sealing the nom it was Bernie.

So, don't be fooled by one area of Ohio as to how the country will vote.

YEAH,especially a rural area.

Democrats are not enthusiastic about Hillary.

I still contend that if she would have had serious competition in the primary, aka Biden, she would have lost. Bernie, who was not serious competition wound up with 43 percent of the Democratic vote, and he is a socialist. She played the inside game, and blocked any potential alternative before the primaries began. There is a lot of disdain for Hillary, and if elected, I can see more partisan crap for the next 4 years.

But she is a better alternative than Trump; there are not enough derogatory words to describe his antics. My biggest fear would be that his election would turn the attitude of this country to sourness. Trump played the outside game and won the primary, but could never put his ego aside to win the election.

So the Republican party will have to do another evaluation and figure out how to appeal to more of the national electorate. With the selection of Trump, they ignored their own 2012 post election analysis and doubled down on the things that needed to change the most. Time is against them, and the gerrymandering of 2010 wont hold up in 2020.

Something Trump says makes me laugh. When he talks about sneak attacks. Here's why you give a heads up on your attack:


1. You do it to protect civilians from being killed by giving them time. There isn't some clear battlefield in modern warfare. ISIS is hiding amongst regular civilians. During Normandy, you KNEW who the enemy was. These guys don't all wear uniforms or walk around with ISIS flags.

2. Giving warning ahead of time lets any Anti-ISIS resistance fighters know that help is on the way and that they should plan to strike as well. You also avoid them being caught in friendly fire.

3. It's impossible to surround and just bomb a city without anybody knowing. You have to organize thousands of troops, supplies, and detail maps.

4. There's always a strong chance of spies being ready to alert. ISIS has their own ways of gathering intelligence. They would see a sneak attack.

5. ISIS isn't stupid. They have nothing else to do besides be on constant alert from enemies wanting to attack. I mean, what do you think these guys are doing all day exactly? Watching soccer? They KNOW we are coming for Mosul.

And it's not even like they're discussing tactics. No ish our objective is take back Mosul from them.

Best news about Trump's continued idiocy? Bernie Sanders may end up as the head of the Senate budgetary committee.

Yes, that means single-payer/universal healthcare, and free college tuition gets a huge boost of passing if the legislation gets drafted.

Bernie may just get what he wanted, and he won't even be president.

Thank you, Donald. You may have just lost many senators and representatives seats with your continued idiocy.

Oh, and #ThanksPaul for such a great idea!

Hillary needs to publicly announce that. That will get younger voters out and voting.

For some reason the Russian/Uranium deal doesn't bother the dems on this board. The deal scares the hell out of me for my kids, grand kids and everyone I love.



Sen. D’Amato Drops Bomb: Hillary Allowed Russia to Take Ownership of US Uranium to Sell to Iran (Video)

Jim Hoft Jul 3rd, 2016

Former Senator Al D’Amato (R-NY) dropped a bomb on Sunday Morning Futures this AM. D’Amato told Maria Bartiromo that Hillary allowed Russia to take ownership of US uranium so they could sell it to Iran.

Hillary made it possible for the Russians to take control of one of our huge uranium producers and allow them to own the company, export the uranium and who do they sell the uranium to? Iran! Now if people knew that and that the foundation as a result of that got $135 million. I think people would start saying, “What?”


more at:


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/...ell-iran-video/

They are not only drinking it, they are addicted to it and shooting it up like it's herione. She has come right out and said there are the stories you tell the minions. Then there is the truth.

Since some people are predicting the future around here claiming that the race is already over, I feel that it's fair that I can also predict the future and show you what it's going to look like at the voting precincts on election day if their predictions are true.

You'd have to prove that conclusively for me to take that comment seriously.

But it really doesn't matter, I'm condemning the action, how much one side does it over the other side is meaningless. They both do it.

I hope they don't, because I want republicans embarrassed for their inability to do their jobs.

But if republicans know what's good for them, they will confirm garland before Clinton gets into office.

He's a moderate, so this is the best case scenario for them. Trying to block Clinton Supreme Court nominee will absolutely ruin whatever reputation they have left.

After all that crying they did, trying to pull the "wait til the next president" nonsense, well now it most certainly is about to bite them in the ass.

They put all their eggs in one basket hoping that a republican president would roll through. And now they are standing there looking dumb.

The next president is hillary. After all the crap they pulled on Obama, he still gave them a moderate judge. Let's see what they do. Confirm him, or continue hanging themselvss.

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I think this actually does mean something, just not from the angle we are suggesting.

My experience in that regard (Trump vs Clinton) is a lot closer to arch's. I've said I've seen something like 50 Trump signs vs 3 Clinton signs or 10 times as many Trump signs as Clinton signs or something in that ballpark (I'm not exactly doing a scientific study here.)

Different areas are the opposite so yeah, we don't know how much that really tells us. probably not a whole lot. The thing that really interests me is the fact that even in my Trump dominated area, I knew a lot of people who liked Bernie and truly, genuinely supported him.

Hardly anybody liked Clinton back during the Democratic primaries and even now, the Hillary supporters will mainly vote for her because she's the Democratic nominee and she's not Donald Trump.

How she beat Bernie in the primaries by a comfortable margin is truly one of the great mysteries of this election season.

If the American People really want to change the course we are on and wish to send a message that will be heard, they have two opportunities to do that.

1- Trump will absolutely turn Washington upside down.

2- When voting, write in Bernie Sanders for President.

The continuing decline of our Society and the economic decline of our Nation is unacceptable.

Watch Donald Trump Absolutely Gush Over Hillary Clinton in a 2008 Interview

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2..._interview.html

This video is gold.

quote above by 40:

"The continuing decline of our Society and the economic decline of our Nation is unacceptable."

Unacceptable but inevitable.

Or is it?

Probably inevitable. We're probably becoming a country of whimps.

And whether you're religious or not, the steep decline in church attendance is not good thing.

I believe that it is no coincidence that as church attendance has declined, morality has been viewed as passe, and isolation among younger people has increased. I find it amusing that some people say that they don't have time to go to church, but spend hours every day playing video games and doing things on their phones. It is extremely sad.

Edit to add: There are also so-called "Christian" churches that do not follow the Bible. Some even teach that Jesus was not God. That's downright scary, because the entire backbone of Christianity is that faith in Christ is the only means of salvation. These are inevitably also churches that teach that people can do anything they want, as long as they "believe". Many people profess being Christians, but never read their Bible, nor do they ever attend services. They make it all up as they go along, doing whatever they can talk themselves into as being "right". I know this, because I was one, and have been friends with many other people who do/have done the same.

Hopefully the US will, one day, turn back to Christ, instead of turning their backs on Christ.

LOL,, listen, there is some guy running around here (aurora Ohio) stealing Clinton lawn signs and replacing them with Trump Lawn signs.

How in the hell can you account for that?

To me it says desperation.

barring some amazing thing happening that helps Trump, this election is won by Clinton.

Geesh.

Here comes the feelings over facts crowd. Newt Gingrich loves you.

To me it says boredom. How many can he actually get to, to change? It's probably 15 miles from one clinton sign to the next. He's be out all night changing out 10 signs.

I doubt it's boredom at all. and it's no where nears 15 miles between Clinton signs.. they are everywhere

Did I need to do a /absurd on that one to get across it's absurd humor?

I've noticed a thing you do when being sarcastic. :purple after a post.

Didn't see that so I thought hey, this time he may have actually meant it.

You must have missed the 60's and the 70's YTown.

This isn't anything new.

No, it's a progression.

Sex outside of marriage is so prevalent that even old people do it.

Divorce is through the roof.

Families are in shambles all across this land.

Pornography is almost mainstream, and mainstream entertainment is almost pornographic.

The list goes on and on.

The writing was on the wall about marriage.

I shouldn't have to remind you about the origins of marriage in the first place, which had zero to do with love.

Sex outside of marriage? Since recorded history and beyond.

If you and others choose to believe that society is on the decline, that's your right. But it doesn't change the fact that you're acting completely oblivious that this has happened centuries before you was a twinkle in anybody's eyes.

Different players, but the game has been there since we became a species.

That's how you view it through your eyes. I have no problem with that. Yet if you claim adultery is more prevalent today than it was in the 60's and 70's, I strongly disagree. Divorce rates have actually dropped over the last 20 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html?_r=0

The only real trend I have seen is that many people are no longer discriminated against as much in the LGBT community and this goes against based on law steeped in what some call Christian values. Using religion as a weapon to discriminate against those who believe differently than themselves is slowly being overturned.

Today, people in general are waiting longer and later in life to maary which makes for better choices. This has actually caused the divorce rate to decline which is a good thing.

If people feel offended because people who live a different lifestyle than themselves can no longer be discriminated based on religion, it's those who are religious that feel so offended. That is their own personal issue.

Question for you Pit.

Do you believe Homosexual sex is a sin?

Here we go.

Well he brought it up and I am curious.
Should I not have asked?

lol. Here's comes this question, if only for the thousandth time.

No, he talks in terms of discrimination all the time but I can't ever remember him saying where he stands on the issue.

I know where you and Perfect and YTown and and and, stand on it being a sin or not but Pit, not so much.

Not speak for pit, and pit if I'm wrong i apologize.

But he's Christian. The Bible says it's a sin.

That isn't the point he's making nor addressing. What he's saying is that it's crazy for people think "immoral" behavior is some sort of new concept. As if it wasn't going on until whatever time period people "perceive" the decline of society to be.