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wow thanks haha. didn't realize that!

If I'm JT I retire this year. I hunt, fish and in five years collect my poop colored jacket when the HOF calls.

If I'm JT I retire this year. I hunt, fish and in five years collect my poop colored jacket when the HOF calls.

If I was JT I'd probably stick around thru the contract and see what happens. He's gonna make a few more pro bowls/all pro teams ... and make money of course.

I do think he's setting himself up to do something in the media

Lol that would be cool, but alas

Browns' Hue Jackson: 'We are not going to trade Joe Thomas'

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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on October 24, 2016 at 3:02 PM, updated October 24, 2016 at 9:50 PM

BEREA, Ohio — Browns coach Hue Jackson made it clear Monday that Joe Thomas is not up for auction.

"We are not going to trade Joe Thomas,'' Jackson said very deliberately during his press conference.

He was reacting to a report on profootballtalk.com that the Browns are shopping Thomas and would take a second-round pick.

"Joe Thomas has a lot to do with what we are trying to accomplish here in our future,'' he said. "There are a lot of reports, but that is what they are."

The trade deadline is Nov. 1 at 4 p.m.

The Browns almost traded the nine-time Pro Bowler to the Broncos last year for a first-round pick, but Denver also wanted a third-rounder and the Browns would only surrender an additional fifth.

Thomas also came out shortly before that and said he didn't want to be traded, and that he wanted to be part of a turnaround here.

Profootballtalk.com speculated that the following teams might have interest in Thomas: the Cardinals, Giants, Seahawks, Vikings and Patriots.

Thomas, 31, is under contract through 2018 at $8.3 million this year and $8.8 million each of the next two seasons. Any team trading for him will have to assume his contract.

But receiver Terrelle Pryor can see why Jackson wants to keep the 10th-year pro around.

"I feel like every play if you watch the film, you'll see No. 11 mess up sometimes, you'll see different guys mess up sometimes but every time you see 73 out there, he's pretty much on point,'' said Pryor. "We have to live up to that and that's a perfect example. That's the direction that Hue wants to go and I totally stand behind him. The film doesn't lie. Joe Thomas is very consistent and nobody really beats him. He always has his hand on the guy and he blocks. That inspires me.''

Jackson also said he didn't think the Browns would have to shut down center Cam Erving for a period of time. He left Sunday's 31-17 loss to the Bengals with an undisclosed illness.

"No, I think Cam is feeling better,'' he said. "We just have to get some more clarity on exactly what that is and where he is. He's definitely one of the ones I don't have a lot of the answers that way yet. When we know, you guys will be the first to know."

He reiterated that he doesn't know if the illness is related to Erving's bruised lung. For depth at the position, the Browns claimed center Gabe Ikard off waivers from Buffalo. He was originally signed by the Titans as an undrafted free agent out of Oklahoma in 2014.

To make room for Ikard and rookie quarterback Joe Callahan, whom they claimed off waivers from the Saints, the Browns waived fullback Malcolm Johnson and defensive back Darius Hillary.

This really doesn't ring true.

The Broncos 1st round pick was almost a 2nd. The Browns 3rd was also almost a 2nd, just on the other end of the round.

How could the Broncos expect the Browns to trade a Hall of Fame LT, for draft picks that would have been roughly 35-40 picks apart. That would have been insane.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-in...trevor-siemian/



http://broncoswire.usatoday.com/2016/10/...for-joe-thomas/



http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/11/3/9660070/joe-thomas-browns-broncos-nfl-trade-deadline-2015



I've seen lots of variations of what the offer actually was, so I'm not sure what to believe.

I think they got the teams backwards. I believe it should have said this:

"The Browns almost traded the nine-time Pro Bowler to the Broncos last year for a first-round pick, but the Browns also wanted a third-rounder and the Broncos would only surrender an additional fifth."

Who cares....the FO would have traded the picks for a bunch mediocre picks later anyways.

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Hearing the Vikings may have made a big move for an offensive lineman

rumors heating up the past few mins

I'll bet it's Joe Staley because if they aren't sending Teddy Bridgwater, they don't have a first rounder so it can't be us.

Why would anyone want Bridgewater?

Why did you want Jared Goff so badly?

What does that have to do with anything?

It was stated the vikings are looking for a lineman.

Someone said it must be Staley, because the vikes don't have a first round pick (going rate, plus, for Thomas). Consequently, the vikes aren't after Thomas unless they're sending Teddy.

He asked who would want Teddy. (ya know, with the injury and all. He did get hurt right? Kind of a serious hurt)


And yet I've read today about you calling others out for supposedly calling other posters out about what they said in the past.

wow man.

Yeah arch, cfrs wasn't trying to bait anyone into anything w/a slur of a player that many people liked. It was an "honest" [gag] comment.

He said "why would anyone want Bridgewater?"

How is that a slur?

Grow up man.

Why would YOU want to trade a Pro Bowl tackle for a qb that had a devestating injury not all that long ago.

Who's baiting what?





Straight up, would you trade Thomas for Bridgewater today?

What are you freaking talking about? Deputy is the one who posted the stuff about Bridgewater. Not me.

You try too hard, arch. But, if it helps w/your self-esteem, keep it up. LOL

To be clear on my thoughts about any trade involving Joe Thomas are:

Hue emphatically stated that Joe Thomas would not be traded. I do not think Hue is a liar, thus any talk of trading Joe is a non-issue.

Okay, so explain to the board how "Why would anyone want Bridgewater" be a slur to anyone.

No.

Cool. So you admit that his post wasn't a "bait" post, or "slur" post.

wow guys.

anyway, I wonder how much input Hue and Horton had in the players on defense, as far as selections.

i can't imagine they were completely on board with getting rid of every veteran not named Haden.

Good question, but I have no idea what the answer is.

Quite honestly, I am not so sure with Hue. I didn't see Kessler coming.

He could like Teddy and he could not.

I for one would be interested if it were Teddy and something else.

I am not sure I would be so interested in a straight up trade. I'd really like JT to stay here unless our socks are blown off in a trade.

Possibly, I was probably higher on Teddy than most people in that draft class. I wouldn't hate that trade if it happened, but I probably wouldn't love it either.

I'm sure that Hue got some input. They were all claiming to be on the same page on draft day, but now that I think about it, I don't remember seeing Horton in the draft room. I remember seeing a couple of the offensive coaches, but not Horton.

I could be way off here but perhaps someone that remembers all that draft footage could chime in.

I just meant I wouldn't want Bridgewater because of the injury. You are basically getting an unknown commodity. How do you even set a value on him? If he can even come back from the injury how good can he be?

That's why I said Teddy and more. If he were healthy, he wouldn't be available. It comes down to whether or not trading JT is worth a lottery ticket and I'm not so sure that it is in a straight up trade.

His knee injury is far from normal, but it wasn't his arm or even worse for a QB, his back.

There are reports that Bridgewater may not be healing well from his injury, and may never play again. I see no way that another team would trade for him given his medical situation.

There's concern Teddy Bridgewater might never make it back to the NFL - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/theres...ack-to-the-nfl/

I know you said "and more." But I literally don't know what Bridgewater's value would be in a trade.

For example, if Thomas would normally cost a first round pick (hypothetically), then if Bridgewater is included what would that first round pick come down to?

Where would a person with Bridgewater's talent and injury be selected in the draft? This seems like a Ifo Ekpre-Olomu type of situation.

Hence, the comment that got vers all worked up about about. Calling it a slur, and a "bait" post.

JT probably has a few years left in him. Teddy and a second might do it for me. You probably wouldn't have Teddy next year either

You are right it is tough to value, but we have guys that are paid to do just that.

That is just vers doing what vers does. I try to save up for a while before I go off on him. Otherwise he'd literally have me going like earlier today every day of the week.

2017 is the last year on Bridgewater's contract. So he misses that year too (according to what you said). That means you either have to hope he re-signs with you (when you or him don't know what he is worth) or pick up his fifth year option.(1)

We have people who are paid to figure out his value, but my guess is that because they don't know Bridgewater's value they would just avoid him altogether.


(1)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...irstround-picks

(Yes, I just footnoted on a message board).

I would assume that a contract would be part of any trade deal anyway but he doesn't accrue a season if he is on IR the entire year I believe.

You are most likely right that they might just stay away from the whole mess but I am betting that Depo could calculate what the odds of recovery are and put a value on it if he wanted to.

I think this is wrong.



http://russellstreetreport.com/salarycap/nfl-glossary/



http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/7/26/12...francisco-49ers

It's the full pay thing that I am unsure about. Most contracts have a different pay for active vs inactive. Does inactive pay mean full pay?

http://overthecap.com/player/teddy-bridgewater/2971/

Teddy Bridgewater QB
Total Value: $6,849,502 (avg. $1,712,376/year; $5,495,479 fully guaranteed)

It looks like his last year isn't fully guaranteed and if so does that mean he gets inactive pay as a #32 overall pick? Does inactive pay mean full pay for these purposes? It's all a bit out of my realm.

Joe Thomas outlines why he wants to stay in Cleveland

2. ‘I really want to be here’

With the league’s trade deadline next week, Jackson made it clear the Browns aren’t interested in trading left tackle Joe Thomas.

“It feels good to be loved,” Thomas said, laughing. “I really want to be here. It is important for me to be here for the turn around.”

Thomas on Wednesday outlined his desire to remain in Cleveland, where he’s spent the past nine seasons.

“I am a goal-setter. I am the kind of guy that is very goal-oriented. To me, doing the things you say you are going to do is important. When I first got here, my goal was to make the playoffs and to be a part of turning the Browns around into a consistent winner,” he said.

“We haven’t done that yet so, my mission is not yet complete here. I really respect the coaching staff. I think (Owner) Jimmy (Haslam) got it right this time by hiring Hue (Jackson) and his staff. I think that the pieces are here; it will just take a little bit of time.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...a0-ab3c4f40a57c