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CoachB,look Kellen is a tremendous talent.Yes he led the league in receptions for a TE. But the Browns offense was still pathetic.The Browns had very little vertical game passing wise. Leaving KW2 open all day isn't going to result in offensive prosperity. He still averaged less than 10 yards a catch..but you guys turn a blind eye to that.
Theres a reason why the Bengals didn't resign Steinbach..they weren't going to overpay for a guard that they can replace. Guards move around more in free agency than tackles.
we'll see Coach if the Browns can close the gap on the Bengals this year.
The Bengals will be in the playoffs this year,like it or not.If the Browns get improved qb play,they might challenge for a wild card.

Now it may be true that you'll find plenty of Browns homers on this board, but in all seriousness, I noted the same thing in your posts.

I mean, come on...Madieu Williams and Sean Jones being close??? I guess you could say that Sean's numbers were slightly better, but if you study film, you'd see that Sean is considerably the better safety. Diving for interceptions, stuffing the run, obliterating Robert Gallery...

Secondly, Chris Henry being an "All-World" talent? The guy is a great third receiver when going up against a nickel back. I won't debate you there. He's also good because of his height in the end zone...true. But I'd have to say if you switched he and Braylon, that Braylon would do better...I'm not even saying that out of homerism...I don't like Braylon all that much.

You have one who's going up against nickel backs, has all the time in the world to get open, has a top 5 QB throwing to him, and has a reliable running back to keep extra coverage pressure off of him.

On the other hand, you have a #1 WR on a struggling team.

I'll do a straight up comparison of the teams:

Offense - yeah, no question you got us here at every position except save for POSSIBLY Center and definitely NOT TE.

D Line - we BOTH suck here...just look at our rushing defense. I'm not going to pick either team. Peko did show up, but as a backup, your depth is horrible, Justin Smith was not worth a franchise tag, and your overall starting unit is not that great.

Our starters are not great, but they're consistent. However, Roye is often injured, TW's about GM's age, and Robaire Smith is no spring chicken. I'd give this a wash.

LB - I would say you guys have some great talent with Thurman and Brooks, but they have to stay out of trouble and they're still somewhat question marks. It really is a shame what happened to Pollack because he would have given this unit one hell of a push.

On our side, Wimbley had a great rookie season, but has to get better against the run, Davis has been consistent, but overrated, and Jackson and Williams have what it takes to do well. Jackson needs to make some more big plays, but he did all right. McGinest is what he is: a proven veteran who's at the autumn of his career, but a good leader and good against the run. I'd give this one to the Browns.

Secondary: Two years ago, I'd give this one to you hands down, but after getting rid of Joseph and with a waning O'Neal, it's a lot different. The new Joseph and Hall should work out pretty well. Safety is still a concern.

With the Browns...Leigh Bodden is a very good corner (ask Chad), but is often hurt. I'd put Wright up there with Hall and Joseph at least, and Daven Holly did well last year and will make a good nickel. Sean Jones is a very good to great strong safety and Brodney Pool has all the athletic potential, but is a huge ?. I'd give this one a wash too.

That being said, you guys have the kind of offense that almost seems designed to beat a team like the Browns, but I can't believe you guys haven't done more for your D Line. I still think teams are going to run right up the middle on you guys next year, but that's JMHO.

If the Browns can gel on offense, this year, it'll be a good start. If we do what you guys should also do and pick up some decent DL next season and possibly some right side OL, I think we'll at least start to challenge you guys and the rest of the division a lot more rigidly.

The Bengals may very well miss the playoffs again this year, "like it or not". They haven't significantly improved their defense. Bengal fans should make up their mind. Last year Thurman was no big loss and this year he is the answer to solving the problems of the defense. Everyone in the division except the Browns have stayed the same or regressed (Pitt changing coaches, Ravens losing players). The gap is closing "like it or not".

good to have you back patrolling the shack coach.

Good read all around,I guess we agree to disagree.....1st of all Chris Henry wasn't the 3rd WR all the time in 2006....T.J Houshmandzadeh missed the 1st the 2 games and Chris Henry responded well.....I think he 11 catches and 156 yards in a STARTING role.
Then when 84# got knocked cold silly vs the Steelers in the last game of the year,Henry dominated the Steelers secondary as T.J sat out the balance of the game. Braylon is talent,but Henry is a more clutch WR and frankly,is a bigger playmaker when called upon.....
You can't compare the Bengals/Browns TE's on stats. Each TE has a different role...Reggie Kelly is a blocker,1st and foremost.Without him,Carson wouldn't the great protection he recieves. Rudi Johnson wouldn't be scoring 14 TDS a year with Reggie Kelly.....Kelly is a true team player.
Kellen Winslow is more of a focal point in the Browns passing game. But he's a poor run blocker....
Your assessment of the Bengals run defense is a bit off.....they were in the middle of the AFC giving up 116.4 yards a game..the Browns allowed 142 yards a game in 2006....huge difference.
When the Bengals LB'ing core was healthy last year,which was rare the run defense was stout....unforunately when Pollack broke his neck,that changed the whole complexion....the Bengals LB's could not stay healthy and have no kind of CONTINUITY.......
Domata Peko is the real deal. He started several games last year in place of Sam Adams.....he finished with better numbers than DT's taken in the 1st RD like Broderick Bunkley. He ended up with 44 tackles,and 2.5 sacks..very good for a 4th RD pick.
Our depth is horrible...no its better this year.....the Bengals added Micheal Myers and Kendrick Allen and drafted a kid out Oregon St...
Our secondary will really depend how where Deltha O'Neal's head is....he didn't get a contract extension after his Pro Bowl year and it affected his mindset which affected his play.
I'm glad Tory James is gone......he refused to tackle fundamentally and lost a step. He gave up too much of a cushion on WR's....
Johnathon Josepth has the makings of a All-Pro.....he has tremendous closing speed and led the Bengals in breakups....he dropped 10 potential interceptions last season....plus he can bring down a RB,which Tory James could never do.
The safties are fine with Madeiu Williams and Dexter Jackson. Williams played on a bad shoulder all year and Jackson missed 5 games....I'd like to see them healthy together for a full year....

I expect the Browns to win a few more games in 2007.....it all depends how the qb play is.

First off, I think I said Tory Joseph, I meant James. Whoops....


Henry is more clutch than Braylon, I'll give you that, but I disagree about the better playmaker when called upon. Again, first it goes back to supporting cast, and I have to say Braylon made some different "big plays" where he caught 50 yard passes or so down the sidelines against the Ravens and I think it was the Bengals. In terms of decimating the Steelers secondary, both players did that...it's not hard to actually catch a pass against that secondary when you have time to throw. I mean, Polamalu is not a great cover safety and Ike Taylor...I mean come on!!!!

As far as TE play, yeah Kellen is a focal point, but we divide it. He isn't a great pass protector, but you can at least attribute a little bit of that to his knee. When it comes to pass blocking though, you have Heiden and Dinkins on the Brown who are both good if not great at it.

I'm not debating you on Peko...he did a fine job last year for a fourth rounder. I'm just saying he still has a lot to prove as a full time starter. Haha, I can tell you all you need to know about Mike Myers. I will tell you he's better than Warren. I forgot you guys picked him up. He's okay...nothing too special. Kind of a career journeyman backup. Kenderick Allen...ehh...probably just Shaun Smith's replacement. IIRC, you guys didn't draft a DLman until the 6th. As it is, I think I'd rather have Sam than Michael is the bottom line.

The Browns DL...I don't think anyone will debate that Robaire Smith will be an upgrade to Alvin McKinley and Orpheus Roye was hurt almost the entire year last year. Orien Harris had potential, but he's an unknown. I think we improved ever so slightly on the DL, but I look for us to draft a good DLman next year and get possible another in FA.

In terms of how well the Browns do...I think it depends on a lot more than the QB's. There's so many questionmarks on our team that could go either tremendous or horribly.

I have supported Derek Anderson for awhile..I think he gives the Browns offense the best chance to move the football successfully. If he does well this year,the Browns will have teams inquiring about him in the next off season.
I think Braylon Edwards if he can focus can be a Pro Bowler. The Browns need a WR that can vertically strech the field....maybe its Tim Carter.
Like anything else the Browns offense will hinge on the health of Jamal Lewis and the o-line.
Defensively the Browns should progress and get better. They need to force more turnovers in order to help the offense get short fields...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns made the wild card this year if alot of things fall into place..but the qb play is critical..cause the other 3 qb's of the AFC North are proven field generals that make plays down the field.

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