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DiamDawg #1186976 11/03/16 02:26 PM
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Alex Smith is 6'-4"
Carson Wentz is 6'-5"

That's pretty similar. lol


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Originally Posted By: ddubia
Alex Smith is 6'-4"
Carson Wentz is 6'-5"

That's pretty similar. lol


And a stat i can't RIP APART ... *L* ..

You known me for a long time ddub ...

How many times u seen me use stats to make a point? .. if u can remember any ... how many statS did i string together to show the ENTIRE PICTURE ..




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Originally Posted By: GrimmBrown
DGB's numbers could also be affected by the small sample size, change in systems, lack of chemistry as a late addition to the Eagles, etc.
No doubt DGB numbers could be affected by any number of variables. I only mentioned him specifically to challenge the notion that Wentz/Eagles don't throw downfield because they lack weapons. DGB was a downfield threat prior to his arrival in Phili.




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As far as Eagles/Cowboys OLs, I think the TE's and RBs get overlooked some as far as the help they provide those lines. Witten and Zeke are plus blockers. Lane Johnson's suspension hurts the Eagles a lot, too.
All fair points. PED Johnson suspension was already taken in to account when discussing the respective OLs. However the notion that the Eagles OL is so bad as to prevent them from throwing deep or the notion that an OL had to be as good as Dallas to be able to throw deep is imo misguided. Especially considering that the Eagles OL doesn't rate that far below Dallas OL even now.

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As far as Jordan Matthews, fast is hard to clearly define. On NFL.com's draft writeup/combine profile in his weaknesses it says:

"Does not show elite explosion to separate vertically."

He does have some speed, but I think his timed speed in spandex is misleading compared to play speed. His route running helps him get open.
I don't consider Matthews a "deep threat" either. However the statement that Matthews is not fast is simply incorrect. We can argue the other stuff but the fact is he ran 4.46? And I don't put a lot of stock into those nfl.com draft breakdowns. I remember watching/amateur scouting Matthews in college. I don't think Jordan is hindering the air yards on Wentz-Pederson Eagles offense. He has plenty of ability to get open in the intermediate areas enough for their passing game to have a higher air yards.

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Not really trying to argue with you, ed, just trying to drill down to what's really happening.
No worries here. Actually there hasn't really been any real discussion of the reason for Wentz-Eagles passing game low air yards. I disagree in absolving a QB and Offensive Coordinator from a pivotal role in the outcome of any passing metrics. Especially when the reasons being thrown out to absolve of them of any blame don't hold water. I'm not saying its all on Wentz decision making and Pederson's playcalling but I would say those 2 play a much bigger role in the passing game low air yards then the WRs and OL.

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Is Thursday night ugly uniform night?
thus far it is lol. Next week we're all white


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DiamDawg #1187265 11/04/16 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
They have NO CLUE ... they look at stats and thats there be all end all ..

Forget the 67 VARIABLES that go into a passing game ... look at ED...

He wants to discount the following ... ahh never mind not worth it ..

Some will just NEVER GET IT ...


Before you and Vers take the high road...lol laugh

Possibly the point here is Reid is in KC and Peterson was his OC last season in his WCO and we can only ASSume a similar offense is now in place with the Eagles. They have a little different skill set although both are strong and can run with the ball. Smith should have better read skills although Wentz for a rookie is pretty darn good.

The statistics are eerily similar and possible the similar results is do to the System they are running.
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Anythings possible tabber ... pigs could fly out of my ass ...

I can give u VALID, LOGICAL FOOTBALL REASONS for THE WHY ... I've had my discussion with STAT BOY ED ... U wanna have a discussion with me about it .. let me know .. it'll be an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT discussion because u know FOOTBALL ...

U got issues with Vers ... thats between u two .. don't get me involved .. its a real shame also .. cause u two both know football ...

Glad your back for two reasons .... means your stil with us .. i have someone else to talk football with ..

U want to defend what STAT BOY said .. let me know .. will be glad to have that convo with U .. i will more than likely learn something about FOOTBALL and not the knowledge level of the poster ..

Let me know ..




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Tabber ... just u know .. i left out one of the HUGE PARTS of the WHY ... just to see if ED would pick up on it ... HE DIDN'T ...




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Im not even making the comp between Wentz and A.Smith although there are statistical similarities.

I was simply challenging the notion that the air yards of the Eagles passing game isnt indicative of the QB and OC decision making/playcalling.

The notion that their air yards are only a product of lack of OL and WR talent is imho absurd.

That is all. im not making any other point then that.

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