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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Right. But using a personal email/private server was not illegal then and is not illegal now.


While I'm not sure of the legality of her using a private server, I do know of some of the problems she created by using one.

By not having the proper security on the server, she left the server open to be compromised by foreign actors or governments. This is against the law under the provisions of handling secure documents.

She deleted documents on her server. This is against the law under the provisions of keeping government documents secure and returning them to the government body she worked for.

She deleted the emails after getting the subpoena from Congress. This is against the law as it is contempt of congress.

There were documents she signed that stated she would not break these laws, and she has.


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Right. But using a personal email/private server was not illegal then and is not illegal now.


While I'm not sure of the legality of her using a private server, I do know of some of the problems she created by using one.

By not having the proper security on the server, she left the server open to be compromised by foreign actors or governments. This is against the law under the provisions of handling secure documents.

She deleted documents on her server. This is against the law under the provisions of keeping government documents secure and returning them to the government body she worked for.

She deleted the emails after getting the subpoena from Congress. This is against the law as it is contempt of congress.

There were documents she signed th at stated she would not break these laws, and she has.


Wonder if this is legal ...




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Thank god for hillary not KNOWING THE ALPHABET is not a crime ...

Hmmmm ... guess i know why 1 + 1 = 2 is so hard for some ....

She thought C was part of the alphabetical marking when she saw it on some of her e-mails ... even though she never saw A, B, D or any other letter ...

THANK GOD ...

And u think were GULLIBALE SWISH ... *LOL* ...

1 + 1 = 2 ....




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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
She deleted documents on her server. This is against the law under the provisions of keeping government documents secure and returning them to the government body she worked for.

She deleted the emails after getting the subpoena from Congress. This is against the law as it is contempt of congress.

There were documents she signed that stated she would not break these laws, and she has.


Why wasn't she prosecuted?

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I don't know what other people who have held clearances got out of their document briefing, but I remember mine quite well. Quite simply, the impression I got was 'if in doubt, it's classified'.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Why wasn't she prosecuted?


I can give you that explanation with a single word. Corruption.

Here is the statue.

18 U.S. Code § 793
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Here are excerpts that clearly define what parts of this law she violated.

(d) Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

She transmitted documents to her lawyer, who didn't have a clearance over public communications. She also failed to turn over all documents.

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Please notice the lack of the word 'intent' in this statue. She had no intent for these documents to be stolen when her server was hacked, but intent does not matter. She was grossly negligent in her handling of classified documents by placing them on an unsecured server. Comey used the words 'extremely careless'. Is there a difference between extremely careless and gross negligence? He also said she had no intent. Intent does not matter.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I know it is hard to follow, you never being a Billionaire Businessman and all but I will give it another try.

Trump was a Businessman. He worked within the system that our government has set up with laws.
He got massive breaks like all Businessmen who can hire the Accountants and Lawyers necessary to work within that system.

He did a great job and made himself Billions.

Now that he is successful and beginning to turn things over to the kids, he has decided this system he worked under legally all those years is rigged towards the rich. He sees how the Nation is struggling under the burden of debt. He sees how the Nation is no longer healthy, people are struggling, society unraveling. His kids will soon lose the Nation he was successful working in as it falls apart. He decides something must be done but no one in this corrupt system will lift a finger. They just talk in circles.

He decides to run for President, to at least be on the circuit to get the word out and hopefully open everyone's eyes to what is going on. He will have a platform to speak from.

He is not a politician.
He is not a smooth talker.
He has no chance of winning the nomination but he will be heard!

Lo and Behold, to even his surprise (I believe) He wins!!!

The American People have heard his message and decided the status quo must change. The people heard Bernie's message and came to him in droves also.

The Clinton Machine of the Status Quo killed Bernie but Trump survived to fight the Machine.

If he wins this with the backing of the American People he will work to fix the system, the taxes, the lopsided trade agreements, the breaks to the rich, the illegal alien invasion.

He already has Wealth.
He already has Power.
He already has all the things the corrupt and self serving leaders of our government covet.

His concern is for the future health of this once great Nation so his children and our children will have a chance at a good life like he has enjoyed.



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Either the medicine or..........

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Haus, what Obama 2012 states do you see Trump winning? I see him winning Ohio, Florida, Iowa, and Nevada. However, it's not enough.

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I told you once, I will tell you again, Pennsylvania will go for Trump.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I told you once, I will tell you again, Pennsylvania will go for Trump.


What evidence can you give to support this?

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Feet on the ground there.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Feet on the ground there.


So nothing.

Trump has been behind Clinton in almost every poll for awhile now in Pennsylvania.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/pennsylvania/

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Sam [censored] > Nate Silver

Wow.....W ang is the guy's last name hahahahahaha

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Sam [censored] > Nate Silver

Wow.....W ang is the guy's last name hahahahahaha


Both are good, I prefer Silver just because he correctly predicted the last presidential election down to the state.

Also, Silver is the most optimistic Trump projection, so the crazy Trump people might actually believe it.

(But we both know that actual numbers aren't better than "feet on the ground.")

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Feet on the ground there.


So nothing.

Trump has been behind Clinton in almost every poll for awhile now in Pennsylvania.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/pennsylvania/


Go ahead and worship your polls others have, like...
Bush
Rubio
Carson
Christie
Kasich
Cruz
Florina

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I told you once, I will tell you again, Pennsylvania will go for Trump.


If Trump wins Pennsylvania you are 100% right that Trump will win the election. I will not debate or contest that at all.

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I told you once, I will tell you again, Pennsylvania will go for Trump.


If Trump wins Pennsylvania you are 100% right that Trump will win the election. I will not debate or contest that at all.


Last time.
Trump will win Pa.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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Feet on the ground there.


So nothing.

Trump has been behind Clinton in almost every poll for awhile now in Pennsylvania.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/pennsylvania/


Go ahead and worship your polls others have, like...
Bush
Rubio
Carson
Christie
Kasich
Cruz
Florina


That long list of names is the only reason Trump is the nominee.

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They all lost to Trump, contrary to the polls and News Media.

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