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What do you think might realistically and effectively improve our game Thursday. Working with what we have, what might help. Doing things better or stop doing things that are killing us?

Mine are simple. Heavier box count, send one more guy, jam every receiver. I would play some 43 with pressure and call more man than zone.

Other thoughts.

PS Tackle and wrap.

their TE will be a focal point, as they just watched Witten destroy us. Our LBs are just dreadful in coverage.

Staying over the top on Wallace is key as well.

West doesn't worry me as much as more quick/elusive backs.

Their biggest weakness? Ronnie Stanley has sucked. Unfortunately, we have no DE/OLB to expose him.

I think that plan would expose a secondary that can't cover at all. Look, no plan is going to work very well when you have three safeties that can't cover their own shadows and well below average corners.

The game plan is to hold them under 50 points

I think we have a 50/50 shot to do so.

To be fair, we haven't had a 40 burger put on us yet.

So we have hope.

yeah pitta had i thik his best game of the season against us week 2, which pretty much set the blueprint for every offense we've faced since then. I expect more of the same.

I might try running some 5-2. Collins, Cooper, Shelton, Paea, and Ogbah on the line. Meder gets blown too far off the ball when the other teams bother to block him and the ILBs get stuck on him. Nassib has been a liability since his injury. Have Kirksey man up the TE and Davis focus on the RB. Have the CBs and FS play deep thirds. (press-bail?) Have the SS sit in the short/intermediate middle.

Get after it at the LOS and everyone fly to the ball with bad intentions.

If they try throwing across the middle the SS/ILBs need to stick Em good and see if we can bring out the gator arms in them.

...it sounds good to me, whether we can actually execute it I'm not so sure.

hopefully cooper can get himself lined up correctly then

the other question: will paea play? it was weird that he was a scratch last week ... thought he was doing okay

Maybe we can let them run wild in the first half so they don't run wild in the 2nd half.;)

Never thought of a 52, but that puts it in the air probably. Less exotic stuff might help which we seem to kill ourselves in even if we line up right. I would rather see us getting off blocks and flying to the ball much more. Slowing receivers might help; we don't have to chase them so far. That's progress with this group.

Defensive game plan? Wait 'til next year.

we have a defense?

I believe they call it pleading the fifth.

try all freakin ones this game and stick with a few that show any promise at all....

id say ameba defense, drop 8 if no one can challenge the qb. then cover 3. seahawks use cover 3 alot so...give that a go...all those crappy goal line give ups would be better off in cover 2

We do, but it was a broken play. But if you see one, send it our way. We don't seem busy with that, especially on a short week. May as well send more, not like we cover.
I mean what part of cover sounds like turn and chase? Frustrating me. Or is this some variation of The Plan that we can blame on analytics?

Tackle Someone !!!

Turn and chase describes it to a tee

Hue can say what he wants, but something is broken on D and it isn't just the players. This D isn't that much different than last years and our D last year at least kept us in some games. This year we are out of the game shortly after the half.

Agreed. It is said that Horton's defence is very complex and takes 2-3 years to learn. With our inexperienced young players, how can we expect anything other than what we have seen to date. Even the veterans are making glaring mistakes. And yes, the talent level is not top drawer...

I don't really disagree except that I don't think we have a big drop off in talent over last year. Some names have changed but player for player, they are about the same. Whitner might have been better at safety, but I think or DL is better if for no other reason than Shelton has taken big strides.

Horton: Mr. Haslam, my defense is very complex and takes two to three years to learn. In the meantime, we'll give up, on average, thirty points per game. We may go 0-16 our first year. We'll continually be ranked near the bottom in every statistical category the entire time. I'll need an extensive contract with a competitive salary.

Haslam: What do I get in return? Can you help turn this thing around and build a winning program?

Horton: Who knows? Maybe. But history is not on our side.

Haslam: I'll have the paperwork drawn up.

Didn't we try that last week? *L*

COVER MIKE WALLACE.

Flacco has only 1 more TD pass than Kessler and 4/6 have been to Wallace.

only way we can hold the ravens to under 30 pts is with four 15 minute drives.

For the Cowboys game I would have agreed with you completely.
But against the Raven's I would be less concerned with committing to stopping the run. So I wouldn't be overly concerned with building a heavy box.

I consider Flacco a power thrower more then a finesse thrower and I think Mike Wallace is a real deep threat.
Defensively I don't want to get beat deep by Wallace for a cheap TD. I want to force Flacco to be patient work underneath and methodically move the ball down the field.

Hopefully the front 4 can generate enough pressure to sit in a Cover-2 looks. I would also mix in some Cover 3 zone-blitz looks.

Coverage concerns (1) Wallace doesn't beat us deep and (2) Pitta is contained and taken away from Joe as safety valve.

When in man coverage, I want to see if Collins can cover Pitta..if he can't then I'm putting a Jamar Taylor on him.

Great point. Not having Paea was a huge loss. It forced Ogbah to play 34 DE in base which made is much easier for the Cowboys to run AND Paea provides some interior push that was desperately missing last week when the edge players got home Dak had plenty of room to step up.

pretty easy plan put a safety on wallace and beat the crap out of him.
2 cb help over the top you tell him if he gets beat he will be out of football next week.
man up on the te with safety over the top.
haden covers the weakest wr.

Put 17 guys on the field.

Already don't like seeing Ogbah at 34 DE in Base D...
he's too small...then they wonder why they struggle stopping the run

sorry thought Ogbah played the OLB in base and Nassib was our DE?

Not the past 2 games. Ogbah has started on at DE in the base 34 and Nassib hasn't been on the field in base 34.

I think Ogbah is one of the guys who actually showed some life out there and he made some plays.

Ogbah fights hards, would love to see him not have to spend his base 34 defense snaps at DE though...base 34 defense DL should be:
a combo of Meder/Cooper-Shelton-Paea/Wright

Totally agree. By the way, what happened to Paea? I feel like he's fallen off the radar after a few good games.

Nassib has been a no show and Ogbah has quietly outplayed him as the year has gone on.

It's hard to comprehend how bad the D is though.

Unfortunately, seeing is believing. This secondary is odious. (I am running out of fresh ways to talk about the Same Old Crap over and over.)

I'm not going to pile on a rookie who is coming off injury but Ogbah has been the better player so far.

In the last 2 games our defense has allowed 15 for 24 on 3rd down conversions.. that's 62.5%.. and it doesn't seem to matter if it's 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 13, we just seem to give it away with stupid little crossing routes and poor tackling. Meanwhile, our offense has been 3 for 19.. whether you use stats and metrics or the eye test, either way we don't look good at all.

it seems to me like teams have figured out Nassib. He's invisible.

Where's Schobert been? Basically nothing from him (don't even see him)

Ogbah is not awful, but certainly not consistent

Kirksey has improved IMO. He, Collins, and Shelton are keepers hopefully