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I agree he was probably eliminated from the board for pending legal troubles, but I would have drafted him. He has all the components I look for in a QB.

I felt/feel the same way about Chas Kelly, but his knee is now an issue. I would still take him in the 3rd round even if he has to rehab the entire season. He has what it takes to be a good NFL QB.

It varies from team to team, but I'm most familiar w/the boards that Belichick started way back when he was w/the Browns and passed on to guys like Ozzie and all those other great guys he had on his staff.

Here is a simple explanation:

The Vertical board is how the team [scouts, GM, Personnel Director, coches, etc] rank all the players regardless of position. It's literally the best player available. For example, they might have Garret at 1, Peppers at 2, Allen at 3, Fournette at 4, etc. On draft day, they check off each guy as he is picked.

The Horizontal board is done by positions and is based more on need. You rank guys positionally and then compare them to the guys on your roster. Let's use Mike Williams, the WR from Clemson and let's assume the Browns have him as their highest rated WR, but he is available when the Browns are on the board w/the pick obtained from Philly. They would then compare him w/guys like Pryor, Coleman, Hawkins, etc and also examine their depth. They might not take him at that particular spot and move a guy up who is down a spot or two on their Vertical board because he plays a position where the Browns need more help. A good example might be Jamal Adams, the S out of LSU. The Browns obviously are weaker at S than at WR and Jones might have more value on the Horizontal board even if he is ranked one or two spots lower on the Vertical board.

As of this moment, who do you feel that would be?

Nice explanation; well done...

thanks. i'm going to do some research and get a better understanding

Garrett most likely, but the dude has been injured which is concerning

If so, he is at the top of both the vertical and horziontal boards. Put him at the top of the diagonal board as well.

LOL

Or in Farmer's case, put him at the top of the board, then turn the board upside down, next that shoot it with nerf bullets and then find whoever has the craziest name and pick them.

Speaking of names, I really believe the Browns thought they were drafting Cameron Jordan when they actually drafted Jordan Cameron. It was like "how is this guy still on the board?!?"

By the third round they were just looking for people whose name started with a 'J'.

That's great in theory, but based on what? Since the picks we take are always based on the FO's assessment, you never know if you're getting BPA or not. (We haven't historically.) The FO doesn't go by popular rankings. So we get what we get based on their board & percieved needs. Did we need Higgins & Louis? Payton? Were they the BPA's? Was Kessler? DeValve? Did we really need 14 draft picks? How are Coleman & Drango working out? Shobert? Kindred? Caldwell? Scooby? We'll be lucky to get three starters out of the fourteen. BPA is a pipe dream.

Well some of them have done ok, some got injured. So with these picks, I think you gotta give them a little more time, like a year.

Picking up the freaking telephone and having a conversation with Prescott's lawyer is just too much work for our Harvard educated lawyer, Sashi Brown.

Who would ever expect a front office to work that hard..to be smart enough to pick up a telephone and ask some questions.

Its mind boggling that you actually believe what you are typing. Maybe just maybe they thought asking a lawyer if their client was guilty was just idiotic. I bet you believed Hillary that wiping her server just meant cleaning the dust off of it lol.

Maybe they also became alarmed as they researched the fight when he was hit with a bottle while partying in Florida. Maybe it was the rumors of pot smoking that was circulating even before the DUI. BTW hanging out with snoopdog didnt help those rumors much either.

Don't know if you ever watched "The League" - a comedy series about some friends who are in a fantasy football league. But one year one of them drafted Jordan Cameron by mistake.

I found the show to be really funny. It has ended it's run, but is on Netflix.

It's even more interesting when you hear the story about them calling Cameron Jordan after the draft while he was at the Saints facility.

And if that choice was actually vetted previously...pass on that guy and move on to the next guy.

Yeah, I remember that.

lol i thought that too ... then i was like who tf is that guy?

My point is, BPA is at best relative, at worst a fallacy, and for Browns regimes, rarely a factor in choosing draft picks.

Do you think the Browns would be 7-1 with Dak?

I don't, but I do think they would have their qb of the present and the future.

the Browns current front office failed to draft anyone that has the talents to change a culture of 17 years of losing and and a culture that now has put the Browns 3rd in Cleveland in terms of success

at this moment it would be Garrett.

I'd go with Jabrill Peppers. (BPA)



And no, I am not a Wolverine fan.

S Jabrill Peppers, Michigan*

Get ready for the hype to be off the charts. He’s going to work at linebacker, he’s got the speed to be a corner, and he’s an NFL dream safety with 6-1, 208-pound size and perennial Pro Bowl upside. Can he hone his skills at one spot to be everything he’s supposed to become at the next level? Don’t worry about it – he’s a rare talent who’ll be a cornerstone of a defense.

I thought about him too. lord knows he would be an instant upgrade. in the end tho I think Garrett is the better player imo.

Collins and Peppers on the same defense adds a lot of versatility for the DC.

Peppers is a tremendous athlete. But how does that translate into big plays?

Special teams and offense do not count for the sake of this discussion. He is a defensive player. Will he ever see the field on offense in the NFL? Unknown. Will he play special teams or will teams be afraid he'll get injured? Unknown.

How many big plays has he made? I ask because I don't know but I haven't seen many. Which means nothing because I don't follow Michigan closely and gave up on sportscenter. But I heard that he doesn't make a lot.

If he doesn't make a lot why? Are offenses scheming away from him?

I think Garret is the top guy. With our luck we will win one game and end up tied with SF with one win. But they get the top pick because of SOS. SO who then?

Peppers is certainly in the conversation. I think the other person to consider is Jonathon Allen.

Wrong thread, Pastor Marc.

I might take Hooker. He's not a finished product, but his tools and attitude are elite.

0-10, the only talent on the team is Joe Thomas, Joe Haden and Jamie Collins. Get Collins under contract ASAP, Haslam, then show the Harvard clown show and Hue Jackson the door. 0-10 in basically year two of a rebuild compressed into their first year.

These guys couldn't land ONE impact player in 14 tries last draft, you really think Paulie's computer generated GM is going to land one or more this next draft? The Harvard Boys are sitting at the kiddie table in the backyard eating beans and weenies in the NFL. Out of their league.

18 draft picks, #1 overall draft pick locked down for sure and $50 million dollars to play with. Bring in a staff that knows what they are doing and can draft and let them fix this mess you've created Jimmuh.