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Kosar visits Warren, local football camp

By JOE SIMON Tribune Chronicle


WARREN — There may not be a better person to evaluate the Cleveland Browns’ current quarterback situation than former Cleveland quarterback Bernie Kosar.

Kosar certainly can relate to Charlie Frye and Brady Quinn, the top candidates vying for the Browns’ starting quarterback position.

Similar to Quinn and Frye, Kosar was a highly touted college player who made his desire to play in Cleveland known before the NFL draft. A 1981 Boardman High School graduate, Kosar also grew up cheering for the Browns — just like Quinn and Frye.

He’s dealt with the pressure that comes along with being the Browns quarterback, and — unlike most others — he persevered through the stress, leading the Browns to three AFC championship games in his eight seasons (1985-1993) with Cleveland.

And Kosar isn’t hiding his feelings as to who he believes could better shoulder the load as the Browns starter in Week 1 against Pittsburgh.

‘‘People think because me and Charlie (Frye) are friends that’s why I feel like he’s ready,’’ said Kosar after speaking at the Mims-Manoa Football Camp at Mollenkopf Stadium Tuesday. ‘‘But just because I like (Frye) doesn’t make him a good quarterback. There’s no correlation. I just thought he did a great job dealing with all the problems the Browns went through last year.’’

Kosar said he speaks to Frye quite often — as recent as last week — and that Frye’s experience in a tumultuous setting last year makes him the better fit to start.

‘‘I think he played great to play average,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘There was so much that went wrong last year: The running game was non-existent, there wasn’t very good pass protection, guys dropped balls, the offensive system changed in the middle of the year — there were just so many obstacles to overcome. And I thought Charlie did a good job with it.’’

While Kosar praised Frye, he didn’t exactly do the same fore Quinn, the 23rd overall pick in the draft, which the Browns acquired by trading Dallas their 2008 first-round selection as well as their 2007 second-round pick.

Quinn, who grew up in Dublin, near Columbus, professed his wish to play for Cleveland during pre-draft interviews. A picture of Quinn wearing a Bernie Kosar jersey as a little kid was shown several times on ESPN’s telecast of the April draft. Yet, it doesn’t appear Kosar is as big a fan of Quinn’s.

‘‘There couldn’t be a worse-case scenario for a first-year quarterback to start,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘The Browns are certainly improved from last year. But with Romeo (Crennel) needing to win after a rough season, a new offensive system coming in, not to mention Brady has to learn the differences from college to the NFL — it’s just a very difficult situation.’’

Kosar recalled his rookie season for the Browns and how he wasn’t thrown directly into the starting role. He said he learned valuable lessons during his time on the sideline.

‘‘I had six weeks to sit back and watch that controlled chaos, and those six weeks were so important for me,’’ said Kosar of his time on the bench before taking over for injured Browns starter Gary Danielson in the sixth week of 1985. ‘‘It’s obviously not the same when you’re on the sidelines watching, but you do pick up on things and you see how much can go wrong and the type of adversity you’re going to face.

‘‘No one’s ready for that, but to be able to see it beforehand is important.’’

Draft experts said Quinn was the quarterback most capable of starting right away partly because he played in a pro-style offense under Notre Dame coach Charlie Weiss. Kosar, who played under Howard Schnellenberger and former NFL coach Jimmy Johnson during his years with the Miami Hurricanes, said there’s two ways to look at that situation.

‘‘I was really well-coached in college,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘And the same could be said for Brady, coming from Charlie Weiss’ offense at Notre Dame. But you could also say that because that offense was so advanced, Brady didn’t have to deal with a lot of the problems other quarterbacks did.’’

Kosar also posed an interesting theory about how a quarterback controversy might be a good situation for certain Browns’ players.

‘‘When all the attention is on another guy, players don’t have to answer questions about the mistakes they made,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘When I was coming up (to the NFL), if I could zone through an interview, mindless, I’d love it. You don’t have to worry about what you did wrong as much. So, sometimes it’s better for guys to answer questions about another player rather than themselves.’’

He admitted, however, that the decision on a starter will need to come before too late in the preseason — especially since the beginning of the year is the most difficult.

‘‘You’d like to know with about three preseason games left who’s going to be the guy,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘Week 1 in the NFL is probably the toughest week of the year. There’s usually a lot of breakdowns on the offensive line, you’re still getting used to the offense and becoming familiar with all the calls that occur during a game. The guys really have to be with it.’’

Kosar expects the guy in the middle to be Frye.

jsimon@tribune-chronicle.com

Very good article, I like alot of what Kosar said and agree with it...

I hope Kosar ends up taking a job in this organization he seems to always know what hes talking about.

I wonder if Bernie would make a good QB coach ?

This is sometimes why the media is such a joke.

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‘‘There couldn’t be a worse-case scenario for a first-year quarterback to start,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘The Browns are certainly improved from last year. But with Romeo (Crennel) needing to win after a rough season, a new offensive system coming in, not to mention Brady has to learn the differences from college to the NFL — it’s just a very difficult situation.’’

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While Kosar praised Frye, he didn’t exactly do the same fore Quinn,

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Yet, it doesn’t appear Kosar is as big a fan of Quinn’s.

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How exactly does he make the jump to the conclusion that Kosar isn't a fan of Quinn's or doesn't have praise for Quinn from the quote above?

Sounds like the author is a closet Frye fan.

What a joke.

I saw and thought the same thing.

I'm a closet Anderson fan!

I agree. All I read was that Bernie sees Frye as the best starter right now and that Quinn would probably benefit from sitting for a while. I don't think any of us would really argue that, unless Quinn really is spectacular, if he can sit for a while and learn, that would be best.

JMHO

Bernie didn't have great mechanics... side arm throws and lead feet...LOL... He was an accurate passer though... but a QB coach has to know his mechanics. Bernie was always been known as a thinking QB.... I'd rather see him as an Assistant Offensive Co-ordinator, then OC, then a Head Coach. JMHO

With this logic, Jeff George should be the QB coach.

Jeff George would probably make a good QB coach... If he couldn't get his point across, he could demonstrate perfect form....

I wouldn't want a QB fresh out of college, try to emulate Kosar.... Bernie's style worked for him, but the other 31 starting QBs in the league would have a hard time doing it "Bernie's way." Could you see Kosar trying to teach Michael Vick to be a QB... LOL... Vick would have to turn to dogfighting to make a living... He wouldn't be able to roll out after Kosar got through with him... Then again... maybe that's not such a bad thing...

The one thing that drives me crazy is when someone says something that makes no since. let me tell you what someone at my work thinks on the Frye-Quinn situation.
I brought up a what if to him.. what if Frye starts (probably will)and gets us to the playoffs.. (better team on paper) who starts the next year,or what if they decide to get rid of a QB..he said get rid of Frye because Quinn is going to be better... it was also brought up on this site a while back about this subject.. someone made a statement that they hoped Frye lit it up this year so they could let Quinn sit the bench and then the Browns could trade Frye next year and get something for him.. I realize everyone has an opinion but this kind of thinking makes no since..

Who's better, Rivers or Brees ? We can only HOPE we have such a problem.

Nice article and great to see Bernie's side of things.

That is exactly what I am worried about ...but that is a long way off,,, what I was trying to say is how could anyone think we should trade Frye if he would happen to get us to the playoffs on the thought Quinn might be better... on no starts under his belt...just dosen't make since

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so we'll trade him because he'll have more trade value

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I think a first round pick could still be gotten for Quinn

When I read this all I can think is "STFU Bernie".

Love the guy, but how is he affiliated with the organization again?

I agree, how did the writer get that Kosar isn't a Quinn fan based on what he said?

Looking at those quotes, all I see is that, in Kosars opinion, Frye is better suited and experienced to start over Quinn.. Heck, most of us have been saying that all along anyway. But that doesn't mean he's down on Quinn does it?

I guess the rule is, Say anything to sell a newspaper!

Kosar is such an idiot. How could he POSSIBLY think that Frye played well and can be a good QB? After all, the experts on here have already proclaimed Frye sucks, can't play, won't get any better, and is not even close to the QB Anderson is. Sarcasm mode off.

Just to start some debate ...cuz I'm outta here for 4 days ..

People think because me and Charlie (Frye) are friends that’s why I feel like he’s ready,’’ said Kosar after speaking at the Mims-Manoa Football Camp at Mollenkopf Stadium Tuesday. ‘‘But just because I like (Frye) doesn’t make him a good quarterback. There’s no correlation. I just thought he did a great job dealing with all the problems the Browns went through last year.’’

What's to debate? He clearly said that his friendship has nothing to do with his evaluation of Charlie. End of debate lol.

I'm tugging at you ...

‘‘But just because I like (Frye) doesn’t make him a good quarterback

Bernie and Charlie are tight and Bernie is just sticking up for his bud. 24 turnovers with only 10 tds is not playing great, nor good not even bad. It was horrid and if the Chargers DBs could catch the number would have been atleast 30 ints. Charlie still has time to improve but he hasnt shown any improvement yet and may never that is why Quinn was drafted and why Anderson has looked better during OTA's.

I like Charlie and hope he proves me wrong but I just see a guy that stares down his receivers, turns his back to the defense, has no pocket presence and makes horrible horrible decisions. He just throws it up for grabs to often.

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" To Quote Romeo"In Shorts without Pads " :rofl

Actually, he stated it wasn't him sticking up for his bud. What it was...Kosar understands the game and is saying that everything wasn't Charlie's fault. Kosar CLEARLY stated he wasn't making these statements because of his friendship. Who are you or I to call him a liar again?

I gotta question for everyone about Frye whether u like him or dont. The Charlie Frye that played in the first half of the Jags game was a QB that put a nice zip on the ball, made the quick read and put the ball where his receiver got it or no one did. He looked BRILLIANT.

I saw Charlie in camp last year and my God he looked completley lost compared to his rookie year. Seriously, it just seemed like he had been completely dummied down. I am not sure if it was the pressure of starting or what but he just never stopped locking down on his receivers something he didnt do as a rookie. His rookie year he would step into the pocket to avoid the rush and that was completely gone he was in haul ass mode and noone was stopping him. He was just lofting ball after ball up for grabs.

Like i have always said Charlie is a great kid and he works his ass off but man he has not improved but gotten worse. So the question is Why? Why did he seem to pick up every bad habbit imaginable in just one offseason?

Exactly.

I personally do not care anymore who starts under center. Chudzinski has already shown that the person getting the start, at least right now, is going to be the one who “Does it” in practice.

So none of the fans will be able to whine about how Charlie is a failure at practice but still gets the nod. "IF" he even does get the nod.

Only reason I have never warmed to Anderson is the fact that;

1) He was the sixth round pick behind Frye
2) The browns picked him off the Ravens practice squad and
3) He is not, from what read, a mobile QB which, if I understand this new offense correctly, is what the offense is designed more towards.
4) From what I saw last year, it was not difficult for teams to gameplan him at all.

Just my opinion anyway, what’s yours?

If you have followed the things coming out of Berea, you can answer your own question. The offense was in complete shambles, wrong formations called for plays, wrong blocking schemes for plays called, receivers running the wrong routes or not lining up correctly or not knowiing the plays, a power struggle between the OC and the OL coach. Is it really hard to understand why anyone would seem lost? That's the things Kosar is referring to when he said that Frye did a good job considering everything going on.

Actually he just threw one up to Braylon and he jumped up and grabbed it, and he threw one behind Braylon who reached back made a nice catch and fell into the endzone... Frye didn't look too spectacular that game lol.