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Actually he just threw one up to Braylon and he jumped up and grabbed it, and he threw one behind Braylon who reached back made a nice catch and fell into the endzone... Frye didn't look too spectacular that game lol.
"Joe Montana didn't play that well. He threw that one up and Dwight Clark had to catch it with his fingertips. Horrible pass, he's lucky that didn't end up in the stands. Then did you see him throw that ball behind Jerry Rice. Rice had to reach way back and catch it one handed. Then did you see that flutter ball that he threw that somehow ended up landing incomplete. That should have been a pick 6 if the other team had any good players. He should have been 0-3 on those passes with an INT."
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Only reason I have never warmed to Anderson is the fact that;
1) He was the sixth round pick behind Frye
2) The browns picked him off the Ravens practice squad and
3) He is not, from what read, a mobile QB which, if I understand this new offense correctly, is what the offense is designed more towards.
4) From what I saw last year, it was not difficult for teams to gameplan him at all.
 Just my opinion anyway, what’s yours?
He was a local boy here in Portland. Unfortunatly that meant having to watch Beaver football on the local channels. That said, I watched him through his college carreer... I wasn't impressed.
His junior year he completed 51.2% of his passes, throwing 24 int's. TWENTY FOUR! His senior year he completed 54.2% of his passes, throwing 17 int's. He threw around FIFTY interceptions in his NCAA career. He was a classic big armed over thrower. In my mind I've seen little to no improvement. Last year he threw 5 TD's to 8 int's.
Let's look at that ratio and extrapolate that out to compare them more closely to Charlie's numbers.
Derek had 117 attempts, completing just 56.4% of his passes. Average gain of about 6.7 yards. 5 td's to 8 int's.
Charlie had 252 attempts, comlpeting 64.1% of his passes. Average gain of about 9.7 yards. 10 td's to 17 int's.
IF Derek's attempts numbers were just doubled to 234 attempts, still fewer than Charlie's, we can deduce he'd also have doubled his td's and int's. Throwing 10 and 16 respectively. Derek threw an int about every 14.6 attempts made. So I would expect he'd have thrown another before reaching 252 attempts to equal Charlie's 17. Only he'd have reached it with fewer yards to show for it, and worse QB rating because of a drastically worse completion percentage ratio.
So really, what is it that you all see in Derek that I'm missing?
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Yeah theres a difference though, Dwight Clark wasn't double covered in the endzone and out jump two defenders for a ball, and if Braylon hadn't spun and made a sweet catch behind his back then there would have went another one of his TD's... That was more of Braylon's game than it was Frye's...
I didn't say Frye played horrible but you damn Frye fans are so jumpy... I just said it was alot more Braylon than it was Frye, and that is true.
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Bernie and Charlie are tight and Bernie is just sticking up for his bud. 24 turnovers with only 10 tds is not playing great, nor good not even bad.
He said he's NOT sticking up for Charlie because they are friends,,, why must you NOT believe him when he makes that statement? What has Kosar done or said that would make you doubt his word?
As for the Stats you throw out, I thought that Kosar explained that pretty well and it's hard to argue with what he said.. Unless of course you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.... 
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It was horrid and if the Chargers DBs could catch the number would have been atleast 30 ints.
And if our receivers could catch it might have been 15 TD's,, or if our Line could have protected CF, he might have thrown more TD's,, or if the Running Game would have been better, perhaps we would not have had to throw to catch up so often..
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care who our QB is.. as long as he's the one out of the bunch that gives us the best chance to win.. Don't matter to me what names on the back of his jersey!
Amen brother... I can see both sides of the Frye debate, I really can. I won't be upset at all if he starts the season and if he does, then I hope he finishes it because that will mean he played well... I feel pretty certain that Quinn is the future of this franchise but I have no ill feelings toward Frye and as long as he wears orange and brown, I will wish nothing but success for him... 
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I'm with you, man. I don't really understand all the factionism about the QB situation. I just want to see the best guy for the job back there, regardless of who he is.
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WARREN — There may not be a better person to evaluate the Cleveland Browns’ current quarterback situation than former Cleveland quarterback Bernie Kosar.
I don't know...........RAC, Chud, Shearer or whatever his name is, Savage, and the Brown's players, all probably would be better choices to evaluate the situation.
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‘‘I think he played great to play average,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘There was so much that went wrong last year: The running game was non-existent, there wasn’t very good pass protection, guys dropped balls, the offensive system changed in the middle of the year — there were just so many obstacles to overcome. And I thought Charlie did a good job with it.’’
It's amazing how many of you are ignoring this. It was HUGE! And a lot of the same people who made every freaking excuse in the world for Timid, won't cut Charlie any slack at all. 
Some comments on your comments:
---I would not want Bernie on the coaching staff. I don't think he would be a good coach. His viewpoint is very limited. Throw, throw, and throw some more. Besides that...........no way he puts the time in that other guys do.
---I think some of you need to remember that sometimes things are said off the record....and perhaps that had something to do w/the author's assertion that Bernie wasn't as big of a fan of Quinn????
---Why don't people factor in the fact that our two main receivers last year, Leon and K2, didn't run routes? Do you think that may have affected the QB just a little bit? LOL
---When speaking of Charlie's interceptions and then even going beyond that and projecting more interceptions.....why don't you at least acknowledge the FACT that Charlie had quite a few interceptions that bounced off his receiver's hands? And he had more where his receiver ran the wrong route and Charlie threw it to a spot. And later..............that is PRECISELY why he started holding the ball longer. But nooooooooo, let's not deal w/realities. Let's bash Charlie. 
It's amazing to me how often the wrong guy gets blamed around here. 
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---Why don't people factor in the fact that our two main receivers last year, Leon and K2, didn't run routes? Do you think that may have affected the QB just a little bit? LOL
With all due respect, if I didn't read this board (and more specifically, your posts) I would have no idea about wrong routes. You don't read Grossi or Cabot articles saying "Edwards and Winslow ran the wrong route which led to this outcome."
You're probably talking to us as a board rather than the entire Browns fanbase, but I know when I mention Edwards running wrong routes, I get the response "What? Stop making things up."
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Actually, it was reported in the media, but largely ignored because the QB is and always will be the "typical fan" and the media's whipping boy.
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The only people who know anything about wrong routes unless it is totally obvious is the coaching staff of the team.
Nobody on here knows what play was called or the specific route a receiver was to run.
Lets keep it real here and not keep going on with this I coached football at some level so I know what the heck is happening unlike the "typical" fan.
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Well, it has been well documented in reports that receivers run the wrong route. Funny how those that can claim that RAC is a lame duck coach, has no power, Anderson is no question better than Frye, and on and on and on with nothing but their own thoughts to back it up tells those talking about what was actually reported on in the media to "keep it real". Nice to see you avoid the subject, too, Peen. Guess Kosar doesn't understand the game either since he doesn't see "no question" that Anderson is better than Frye.
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LOL I wish I'd have said that Peen,,, Beautiful man,,, Beautiful
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Nobody on here knows what play was called or the specific route a receiver was to run.
Some do because some on here have sources within the Browns Organization. They know who was screwing up the most *cough* B *cough* E *cough* and who who wasn't screwing up the most.
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You know..........it's when you say like that that I would like to slap you. Are you freaking kidding me? After all the stuff that I've said BEFORE the media came out w/it and then they LATER reported it.....you still have the nerve to say that? And Daman, that goes for you too. Beautiful......pfft.
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Honestly, what I'd like to know is what percentage of the time any of our receivers ran the wrong routes.
All I keep hearing is that the receivers ran the wrong routes and it starts sounding like it was a regular occurence.
I am absolutely positive it happened. But how often? What percentage of the time did our receivers run the wrong routes?
I mean did it happen once and now it's become like an urban myth and accepted as fact that it happened all the time? That's certainly the way it seems.
It may have happened on every down for all I know. But not once have I heard it addressed from the perspective of how often.
I'd really like to know.
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I am unable to give you that specific percentage and I won't make something up. I will relay two stories I heard from my guy.
1. After one game, I believe it was the Carolina game, the players had a players only meeting and they ran through the entire game film. It was pointed out that Leon and K2 ran the wrong route on 19 occasions. Yes, 19 in one game. Now, factor in that running plays would not be included....so how many plays were left?
2. My guy is pretty excited about Chud's new offense. After the OTA's, I talked to him and he said Chud was very particular about how the receivers ran their routes. He wants it done perfectly and my guy said he was glad because last year there were way too many times when Leon and K2 would go downfield and put their arm up. It screwed up the entire offense, because the QB would hold the ball and then get sacked, which made the OL look worse than it was. Btw......my guy is not Charlie Frye.
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Nobody on here knows what play was called or the specific route a receiver was to run.
Some do because some on here have sources within the Browns Organization. They know who was screwing up the most *cough* B *cough* E *cough* and who who wasn't screwing up the most.
People might have assumed that BE was the one "screwing up" the most. But, please show me where anyone with sources inside the Browns organization has said any such thing. I'll be waiting...
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But, please show me where anyone with sources inside the Browns organization has said any such thing.
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But, please show me where anyone with sources inside the Browns organization has said any such thing.
Did you read the post right above yours?
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which equals 40.4 percent.....
so lets see....40.4% of the time receivers run the wrong routes + lineman getting beat sometimes + qb's making some mistakes too = a total cluster**** on offense....
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3) He is not, from what read, a mobile QB which, if I understand this new offense correctly, is what the offense is designed more towards.
You don't understand the offense correctly....The offense is tailored to the personnel. If charlie is in...there will be more rollouts and plays that use his strengths and mobility. When Anderson is in, there will be more timing plays and more protection schemes to move the Dline out and past the QB. Chud has a base offense that all will use and then he tailors the rest to the personnel in the game
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I honestly hate this discussion, but I feel compelled to chime in... 
Let me start by saying FRYE SHOULD SHOULDER SOME OF THE BLAME FOR THE POOR OFFENSE LAST SEASON....I'm emphasizing this, because I know my following remarks will be looked at as making excuses for Frye, but here goes....
Wrong routes happen on every team, every single team in the NFL...I don't know how frequently, but it happens...with that said, The Browns were battling "wrong routes" all season. Edwards and even K2 were guilty...and they got the majority of the looks from Frye and DA...
Along with the wrong route, Edwards biggest problem was running "sloppy" routes which was a consistent occurrence also last season.
I don't know if I totally agree with Bernie, but with everything going on last season and considering the QB's we had playing - I find it hard to believe many other QBs that people drool over on other teams would have been able to thrive in Cleveland.
Last season's atmosphere was not conducive to solid QB play - and when you throw a guy as green as Frye or DA in there - it's a recipe for TOs and mistakes.
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I agree with what Verse is saying...and many know I am one of Charlies harshest critics.....Now....I am not holding Charlie responsible for guys running bad or wrong routes...BUT...he should have said something to them about it....and if he did...they obviously did not have enough respect for him to correct themselves. They either said the season was a waste anyway or simply didn't care. But either way it does not look good for Charlie (even tho he isn't the one doing anything wrong in that aspect). As the starting QB.....whether it is right or not....HE is the ONE responsible for the Offense.
With that said..the sooner Charlie sits the better...because he will tease you right out of a job....He is such a hard working good kid that just doesn't have the tools. He will always be right on that edge of.......maybe........if he can just........turn that corner.....but the problem is he can't turn the corner because he doesn't have what it takes to stay on that side of the corner. He might be there....for a play, a series, or even a game...but he can't stay there on a consistant basis...and because he is such a good kid you WANT to give him that chance....but before you know it...you have losing seasons 3-4-or even 5 in a row.
Charlie by far is not the ONLY reason the offense was bad last year. There is blame all over that offense. But I will say the coordinator switch did not HURT him in any way. It was the SAME playbook. The switch actually HELPED him, because he had some better playcalling.
Lasts Years OLine was bad....and people want to say "you gave Couch a chance...why not Charlie"...Well lets see.........Do the names Steve Zahursky, Brad Bedell, Jim Pyne, Melvin Fowler, Quasim Mitchell, Chad Beasley, Jarvis Borum, Roger Chanoine, Joaquin Gonzalez, Noel LaMontagne, Everett Lindsay, Scott Rehberg, and Chris Ruhman ring a bell???? No matter how bad our OLine has been under Charlie it doesn't even START to compare with what Tim had to work with. And we didn't even get into the RB's and WR's Tim had......
Charlie was put in a bad spot. He should never have been there. And God love him...he gives you everything he's got. More than likely he will start the year as the #1 guy. But winning by default doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence.....Just the fact that Alexander has an even shot as well to start.....doesn't say very much for Charlie.
Let the QB, that gives us the best chance to win, start. Be that Charlie, Alexander, Quinn, Dorsey, or the QB for the Berea High School Braves.
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After the OTA's, I talked to him and he said Chud was very particular about how the receivers ran their routes. He wants it done perfectly
That article on Chud thats up on here somewhere was talking about this Mason kid and how he wasn't running routes right.. Chud didn't seem in the mood to take that lightly.
Bout time really!
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The little that we have heard and seen of Chud has been impressive thus far. It will be fun & interesting to see him cut his teeth as a playcaller...
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You know..........it's when you say like that that I would like to slap you.
That's ok...I am sure we all feel like slapping everyone else at one point.
My comment wasn't intended to doubt receivers ran wrong routes....I believe you when you say they did and as I noted, sometimes it is pretty clear even when watching on TV. You don't usually design plays to have 2 receivers in the same 5 yards, but we saw that every now and again. The comment really wasn't a slap at you.
Are there times the QB maybe envisioned wrong routes??
At any rate, it still boils down to a coaching problem. First you teach them. If after a period of time that doesn't work, you sit them down and play somebody else. If everybody is having the same problem, then you have to figure the coach isn't a good teacher. Possibly the guy got saddled with a bunch of pea brains, but overall that is pretty rare. We had a receiver or two who never or rarely played. Seems if we were running routes wrong 40% of the time we would have tried something different.
I know I would have, but then I am just a "typical" fan who really doesn't understand the game. That is probably way to simple of a solution to try.
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That's ok...I am sure we all feel like slapping everyone else at one point Perhaps we should hold a "slap fight" at DTI this year with the winner getting a jar of face cream and a bottle of Jack Daniels for pain relief...... At any rate, I have no doubt that many routes were run incorrectly last year. What I am worried about is whether the problem will be corrected this year. And if it isn't then why not? A season like last year will surely spell the end of Romeo's HC career. And that would be too bad. In fact a season like last year could put the last nail in the coffin of more than one career, at least with the Browns. Let's hope that all concerned are more diligent in their work habits than seemed apparent in 2006.
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which equals 40.4 percent.....
so lets see....40.4% of the time receivers run the wrong routes + lineman getting beat sometimes + qb's making some mistakes too = a total cluster**** on offense....
Just getting technical
Does this necessarily have to be the case, the odds are that KW2 and Braylon both incorrect routes on the SAME play on occasion.
So that number can't be as high, even though it's kind of sad. 19 wrong routes, if they're run on the same play too, that just leaves the play with no hope.
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It's amazing how many of you are ignoring this. It was HUGE! And a lot of the same people who made every freaking excuse in the world for Timid, won't cut Charlie any slack at all.
I agree with all 4 of your comments within this post, but I want to key on just two of them:
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Since you posted this, everyone is jumping on this one big time. Yes, some times it is the QB as well that envisions the wrong route, and if the numbers are true as to how many times the wrong route was ran, that is freaking HUGE. Even if the number is only HALF of that, the fans need to take IT ALL INTO ACCOUNT.
It's just not the routes, but it's a combination of the routes, the OL play, the running game faltering, the dropped passes. THAT'S WHY WE LOST 12 GAMES!!! We didn't lost 12 games because Frye is a bad QB, or because RAC is a bad coach, we lost 12 games because we were not a good team. Period.
NFL playbooks are not easy things to digest....this isn't a dozen of us from the board playing a sandlot game where we do simple hooks curls and slants....it all has to come together with blocking and timing and a running game to support it.
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---When speaking of Charlie's interceptions and then even going beyond that and projecting more interceptions.....why don't you at least acknowledge the FACT that Charlie had quite a few interceptions that bounced off his receiver's hands? And he had more where his receiver ran the wrong route and Charlie threw it to a spot. And later..............that is PRECISELY why he started holding the ball longer. But nooooooooo, let's not deal w/realities. Let's bash Charlie.
This ocurs on other teams as well, but for the Browns we have those people that just want to look at the overall INT number and saddle it on Frye's back. I don't know how many times during a game last year I would start yelling "Not his fault!!!" Not just with the INTs, but with sacks and incompletions as well.
Football is a team sport........yeah, the QB touches the ball more often than anyone else and has the onus on hisself (himself)? to perform or the team won't be successful, but the ENTIRE TEAM has to execute the plays that are called.
We've all seen it before and we know what it's supposed to look like.....and we'll know when we see it again. We ddn't see it last year.
And one final comment for those of you that say on a yearly basis that Bernie should be a coordinator or a QB coach---please shut the hell up. If it was going to happen it would have happened already. Ut quite obviously isn't going to happen for whatever the reason may be......
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I agree with what Verse is saying...and many know I am one of Charlies harshest critics.....Now....I am not holding Charlie responsible for guys running bad or wrong routes...BUT...he should have said something to them about it....and if he did...they obviously did not have enough respect for him to correct themselves. They either said the season was a waste anyway or simply didn't care. But either way it does not look good for Charlie (even tho he isn't the one doing anything wrong in that aspect). As the starting QB.....whether it is right or not....HE is the ONE responsible for the Offense.
Come on, Pete. You are usually a very fair man. But, you seem like a different poster when you post about Charlie.
The problems w/running wrong routes and sloppy routes were huge. It went way beyond Charlie. I have related the story about how Leon blew the entire team off after that meeting where him and K2 ran the wrong route 19 times. K2 was apologetic, but not Leon. Pete, it was bad. Leon's position coach was trying to get him to run precise routes in practice, telling him to cut sharper and burst out of the cut.......Leon responds with F........you. Who are you to tell me. Leon did the same thing to JoeJ when he came over and tried helping him. Leon asked who else was the 3rd pick in the draft.
So no, Pete...........that wasn't on Charlie. Things got really bad and little cliques began forming in the locker room. And that is one of the reasons the Browns finished the year so bad. The worst part is........Leon had the support of guys who were above all the coaches. It was a mess. And if it is allowed to continue again this year, it doesn't matter how much talent they brought in, because you can't win w/guys like that.
You know........say what you will about guys like Michael Irvin. Yeah, he is a loud mouth........but, he worked his ass off and it was all about winning. He wanted the ball. But, he sure as hell didn't start trouble because a coach asked him to run his routes correctly. I'll take a cocky, arrogant guy on the team.....as long as he wants to win, and I'm not talking about saying he wants to win......I'm talking about doing all the little things it takes to win. I'm sorry, but if you don't know your own team's plays...........that is NOT doing everything you can to win. LOL.....it's not even close. It's an embarrassment and a disgrace. And then the guy calls his teammates out???? Are you freaking kidding me?!?
I gotta stop.........before I go too far....
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I'll take a cocky, arrogant guy on the team.....as long as he wants to win, and I'm not talking about saying he wants to win......I'm talking about doing all the little things it takes to win. I'm sorry, but if you don't know your own team's plays...........that is NOT doing everything you can to win. LOL.....it's not even close. It's an embarrassment and a disgrace. And then the guy calls his teammates out???? Are you freaking kidding me?!?
I gotta stop.........before I go too far....
No, Vers, Don't stop. It's things like this that I want to know. We don't hear about stuff like this in the papers or on the highlights. This is the kind of stuff I want to know.
I wasn't a big K2 fan, but it SEEMS like he is working his tail off and TRYING to do the right things. Is he cocky and arrogant, he may be, but what I have been able to read and hear, he seems to want to do those little things to make a difference. I can't remember one time that he gator armed on a pass.
I don't want to turn this into another BE thread, but just wanted to throw my $.02 in. Besides trying to learn more and get different opinions, getting some knowledgable inside info is why I come to this board as often as I do.
So agian........don't stop.
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I have to stop on this particular thread. But, I just wanted people to know that when Bernie said there was a lot going on last year.......that there really was. Hell, I am not even a huge Charlie supporter, but I do think it is very unfair how much of the blame he gets around here. And you know......Charlie faced all kinds of other problems last year besides his receivers messing up.
Charlie could have done things better too, but he was NOT the reason for the Brown's blundering offense. In fact, they often asked him to make plays all on his own because the rest of the O was so abysmal. And man.....that's the last thing you wanna do w/a QB who had what.......5 or 6 starts coming into the season?
Man.........it almost defies comprehension that people don't get that.
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When this board was down, I went to "browns chat".
Someone said that Derek Anderson should start the season...ok that's enough to get my interest to post something. He then went on to say that we should CUT or TRADE Charlie Frye RIGHT NOW, because "he showed us absolutely nothing".
Thank god this board is back upN Running.
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I hate Quarterback discussions!!! I don't care if Hitler is our Quarterback, I just want to win football games!!!!!!
Am I the only one that feels this way? lol.
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"While Kosar praised Frye, he didn’t exactly do the same fore Quinn, the 23rd overall pick in the draft, which the Browns acquired by trading Dallas their 2008 first-round selection as well as their 2007 second-round pick."
The writer made it sound that Kosar was not impressed with Quinn's prospects as an NFL QB...but then when hearing Kosar's quotes.
‘‘There couldn’t be a worse-case scenario for a first-year quarterback to start,’’ Kosar said. ‘‘The Browns are certainly improved from last year. But with Romeo (Crennel) needing to win after a rough season, a new offensive system coming in, not to mention Brady has to learn the differences from college to the NFL — it’s just a very difficult situation.’’
It has nothing to do with not being impressed with BQ only that its not a good situation for a rookie QB to step in as a starter...There are Nuances with the offense and combine that with getting acclimated with the NFL game is just not a good environment for a rookie QB...better for him to sit, watch and learn by looking outside the box, then sited his experience and benefits watching Danielson QB while he was a rookie.
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In fact, they often asked him to make plays all on his own because the rest of the O was so abysmal. And man.....that's the last thing you wanna do w/a QB who had what.......5 or 6 starts coming into the season?
This seems huge to me. Someone in an earlier post stated something to the effect that "If Charlie couldn't get the recievers to practice harder or run the right routes, what kind of leader is he?". Not word for word, but to that effect.
Vers, your quote leads me to believe that Charlie was willing to do WHATEVER it took to carry this team. He gave his all on EVERY play. When things went wrong, he shouldered the blame, never once calling out his teamates in the public eye.
You would think that his teamates would be willing to give their all for a guy like that. One of the things that kept bothering me last yr. was all the times that Charlie got knocked on his ass because someone missed a block or an assignment, very rarely did anyone come to his assistance. One play in particular sticks out in my mind. I can't remeber the game but Charlie was hit hard and it looked like a blatantly late hit. I don't remember 1 player getting in the defenders face, basically saying you don't treat my QB like that. Why not, did they not see it, were they to down on themselves? If you QB is hit even close to late, the O-line should be in someones face.
Don't get me wrong, I like Charlie and I believe that he should be our starter this Yr (as long as he earns it). But what am I missing, our offense just does not seem to be a "unit" like other teams or even for that matter our Defense.
Can BE be that big of a distraction? Were your hints at KS ineptness part of the problem, I just feel like I am missing something.
As a side note: don't ask my wife that question about me, she will give you a 30 min. answer about something to do with a roughly round mass of cranial matter attached to my neck and shoulders, and where it actually should be .
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I hate Quarterback discussions!!! I don't care if Hitler is our Quarterback, I just want to win football games!!!!!!
Am I the only one that feels this way? lol.
Hitler was a little short, not to mention a bit too old to play QB in today's NFL....  I know what you're saying. I'm not a Charlie Frye fan, but I think that he had a lot of problems last year, that were not of his making.... That doesn't mean that I don't think Anderson could do better, but I do admit it is unfair to blame Charlie for all the problems with the Brown's Offense last season....
MY OPINION.... I think Charlie should have taken a leadership role with Edwards last season, and corrected some of the problems with BE's attitude. The two of them were friends, hanging out together, working out together. Frye is probably the only person on the team that could have reached Edwards and shown him his attitude was destructive.
I don't know if this happened or not. I do know that Anderson was the QB to point out that Edwards did not know the offense and ran bad routes. That action gave me more respect for Anderson than Frye. If all else is equal, that's why I prefer Anderson to Frye. I want wins, not loses. Anyone who plays HAS TO WIN.... JMHO
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