Peppers is a tremendous athlete. But how does that translate into big plays?
Special teams and offense do not count for the sake of this discussion. He is a defensive player. Will he ever see the field on offense in the NFL? Unknown. Will he play special teams or will teams be afraid he'll get injured? Unknown.
How many big plays has he made? I ask because I don't know but I haven't seen many. Which means nothing because I don't follow Michigan closely and gave up on sportscenter. But I heard that he doesn't make a lot.
If he doesn't make a lot why? Are offenses scheming away from him?
I heard on the radio that Peppers has not intercepted a pass since high school.
The biggest problem with getting rid of everyone is who in their right mind would then come in to replace them? Maybe we could con Denzel Washington into taking the job as a Remember the Titans based reality TV series. I kind of feel like Denzel would basically be a Hue Jackson caricature in that scenario, though. Maybe we could get La Confora to GM, so we wouldn't have to listen to his Browns hot takes for awhile. We're not going to magically get Lambeau, Bill Walsh, and Ron Wolf on board this crazy train.
They addressed the WR position last year and hopefully they will address the secondary this one. It seems like a good draft for DBs. I have some hope for Shon Coleman another year removed from his injury and we have Reiter and Cooper to potentially shore up the interior OL along with simply more time together/in system for the rest.
I like a lot about Hue, but Game Day isn't one of them. However, he's had an extraordinarily full plate trying to coax wins out of this roster while dealing with the injuries when we already were bad. The QB who got the lion's share of offseason reps didn't last very long. It's hard to get a guy who got very few reps with the starters ready mid-season, especially when he's a rookie. I do think Hue is pressing and trying too many things instead of just sticking to what he believes in. The team is pressing, too. Hopefully we can establish some consistency. We need to give a group time. His "Hue-bris" has definitely taken shots so far, but it's too soon to stop believing.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
The biggest problem with getting rid of everyone is who in their right mind would then come in to replace them?
One of the reasons I will not call for anyone to be fired is it sets another precedent that Haslam has no patience to see any plan through.
One more mass firing of the Browns front office and coaching staff...and Haslam might as well sell the team, because none of the best qualified will work for him.
Haslam holds the title and reputation as the worst NFL owner in the league and the only way he changes that perception is to simply stop making mass changes.
Tweaking the staff by adding someone to help improve their ability to judge talent, would seem to be the smartest way to go, imo.
The biggest problem with getting rid of everyone is who in their right mind would then come in to replace them?
One of the reasons I will not call for anyone to be fired is it sets another precedent that Haslam has no patience to see any plan through.
One more mass firing of the Browns front office and coaching staff...and Haslam might as well sell the team, because none of the best qualified will work for him.
Haslam holds the title and reputation as the worst NFL owner in the league and the only way he changes that perception is to simply stop making mass changes.
Tweaking the staff by adding someone to help improve their ability to judge talent, would seem to be the smartest way to go, imo.
I disagree, and here's why. $50 million dollars in available salary cap, 18 draft picks including #1 overall, two first rounders, two second rounders and two 3rd rounders as well as a few good pieces to build around. Not to mention the bar is set so low 5-11 in year one is considered a HUUUUGE turnaround from 0-16.
Any good GM has zero doubt in their mind they can convert what is available to them into a .500 year round turnaround and that they can quickly build a winning team. Sign three young impact FA's, hit big with the first rounders and grab solid foundation talent in rounds two and three. That is 9 impact players in year one added to Thomas, Haden, Collins and Pryor.
A good football front office accomplishes this. The current regime doesn't. The current regime will blow another two years of draft volume on low impact players the Harvard Boys computer tells them to draft and Hue Jackson aims for 3-13 by year two and 4-14 by year three. You have got to clean house and hand the keys back to football men.
king...I hear what your saying about what a good GM would do with that many draft picks and trusting theBoys ability to judge talent.
Given the fact they had 14 draft picks last year should have returned better results than 0-16...again, I agree.
But the Browns have a "bone-headed owner" who believes in driving square peg in a round hole, even if it does not fit. It does not matter if the Browns go 0-32, Haslam will get his cut of the NFL profit, just like the Super Bowl Champions.
There is very little incentive for Haslam to change a damn thing...Browns fans buy his tickets and attend his games and he gets a winner cut of the NFL profits.
You cannot win in today's NFL with 24 year old players. They are still a bunch of boys playing these games against old men.
The Cowboys seem to be winning with Zeke Elliott and Dak Prescott leading the way.
The Raiders are winning with young guys like Amari Cooper, Derek Carr and Khalil Mack.
It's not so much about age. It's all about talent. The Browns have about 3-4 guys that have talent. The rest are a bunch of "guys" at this point in time. You cannot win in this league without talent.
mac - I don't necessarily think the record is reflective of the most recent draft. Even if they had hit on 50% of those picks I don't know that we would have been that much better than we are record wise.
Having said that, I am disappointed in how our rookies are developing. I liked the Wr Coleman coming out of the draft., so I may be biased when I say that I am giving him a bye so far because of the injuries. I think at times he has looked explosive and I am hopeful that he and Pryor will be the solution to the Wr position.
Ogbah - Again, I may be biased, but this time in the opposite direction. I wasn't a fan of the pick to begin with and I have been disappointed in his production.
Kessler has shown he will be a quality back-up Qb for a long time. But I was hoping for more from a 3rd round pick. He may still develop into a starter but I am less than hopeful. I still think he is the best qb on our roster but but that isn't saying much.
Nassib - I think will be a solid rotational player but perhaps he deserves a pass all well because of the broken hand.
Drango and Shon Coleman - I am hoping that they develop. Most rookie o-linemen struggle. So opinion is is on hold.
The rest of the guys - would it even have mattered is we had just forfeited those picks?
I put this draft on Sashi. I am giving DePodesta a pass because I don't think he had much if any input into this draft. That is what is giving me hope for the next draft. It may be false hope but I am hoping that DePodesta will have significant input into the next draft and will make that a good one.
If the next draft class is a failure then I would say that these guys need to go. We have a bunch of high draft picks in a loaded draft (unfortunately except at the Qb position). I think the upcoming draft is so loaded with talented players that with our large number of high draft picks it would be hard to have a bad draft class even if we were trying to draft poorly. This is the only thing giving me hope for the future.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
is there anyone from this past draft that is a sure-shot NFL player right now? No.
Coleman/Ogbah maybe
Nassib ... we had hopes, but not much lately
Schobert ... BLAH
Kessler ... maybe a backup
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
You cannot win in today's NFL with 24 year old players. They are still a bunch of boys playing these games against old men.
The Cowboys seem to be winning with Zeke Elliott and Dak Prescott leading the way.
It's not so much about age. It's all about talent. The Browns have about 3-4 guys that have talent. The rest are a bunch of "guys" at this point in time. You cannot win in this league without talent.
Prescott and Zeke are running behind a line full of grown men who are so good, opposing defensive players believe toddlers would have just as much success. This team is built from a lot of rookies who haven't bulked up to NFL size yet.
Prescott and Zeke are running behind a line full of grown men who are so good, opposing defensive players believe toddlers would have just as much success. This team is built from a lot of rookies who haven't bulked up to NFL size yet.
CHS...TheBoys could have drafted Elliot in the first round and Prescott in the 3rd round...and would have had another 8 draft picks to improve the offensive line.
It comes down to "priorities"...TheBoys were not thinking about drafting the best possible talent, that was staring them right in face...
...the "business" side of their brain said, lets make a deal to see how many draft picks we can get..that will prove that we are smarter than the rest of the NFL. When you are talking about a guy like Haslam, Depodesta and Sashi, who come from a background in business, they think judging and picking draft talent is "easy". They believe they can pick a later round player and he will play as good or better than talent ranked ahead of him.
Sometimes it does work out and sometimes a team takes a chance and misjudges the talent, wasting the pick.
...wonder what they think now?...will they learn from their mistakes?..or will they simply pat themselves on the back and claim it's all part of "the plan"?
Because "football men" have done so much better here in the past.
Haslam has not hired an experienced football guy to run the franchise yet.
Name an experienced guy that is willing to come here....
They either have jobs they like, are content to be a GM in waiting, or are smart enough to not want to tie their future to the Browns.
Give a setup five years or so, and maybe a better candidate would be willing to come here down the road if he thought he'd have time to fix things. Hopefully if we give someone that long they'll figure things out and we won't need someone new.
Maybe the ones we have can grow into their roles. The good ones who are able to do it are generally already doing it somewhere else.
I'm guessing it's a lot easier to become a good coach, GM, whatever, if you have support while you work through things. No one starts out knowing everything one needs to with either of these jobs. Have to keep attacking it and getting better. Give them a few offseasons where they can actually take a step back and analyze things instead of expecting them magically improve while in the thick of things and trying plug holes in a sinking ship.
It's often said that people learn the most from failure, so we should have plenty to learn from.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Because "football men" have done so much better here in the past.
There hasn't been a staff of experienced football men in Cleveland since Art Modell. Fact. The closest we have come is when Lerner hired an over the hill HC to be team President who hired a bunch of rejects and coffee fetchers from his coqching tree strictly because they needed jobs. Everyone else has been inexperienced low level scouts and coffee fetchers from elsewhere. Or, now, an Attorney and a Baseball stats guy with zero experience.
Art Modell succeeded here consistently because he hired smart, proven football men to run the show. The last three owners fail because they hire consulting firms to hand them a list of perceived up and comers to interview.
Because "football men" have done so much better here in the past.
Haslam has not hired an experienced football guy to run the franchise yet.
Name an experienced guy that is willing to come here....
They either have jobs they like, are content to be a GM in waiting, or are smart enough to not want to tie their future to the Browns.
Give a setup five years or so, and maybe a better candidate would be willing to come here down the road if he thought he'd have time to fix things. Hopefully if we give someone that long they'll figure things out and we won't need someone new.
Maybe the ones we have can grow into their roles. The good ones who are able to do it are generally already doing it somewhere else.
I'm guessing it's a lot easier to become a good coach, GM, whatever, if you have support while you work through things. No one starts out knowing everything one needs to with either of these jobs. Have to keep attacking it and getting better. Give them a few offseasons where they can actually take a step back and analyze things instead of expecting them magically improve while in the thick of things and trying plug holes in a sinking ship.
It's often said that people learn the most from failure, so we should have plenty to learn from.
Browns fans have this fear that no one wants or will want the job. The truth is if there is one thing the Harvard Boys HAVE actually done correctly is they have created the perfect cockpit for the next group of guys. I would say as of right now the Browns upcoming vacanies will be some of the most sought after and here is why.
- DePodesta fired half the scouting department over them disagreeing with his computer program that listed Wentz as a mid round pick. The scouts said we have him in the top 3. Obviously the smartest guy in the room disagreed and fired them. The good news for the next guy is he can build the scouting department with HIS guys, guys who fit his SYSTEM.
- $50,000,000 in salary cap money. I can't say it enough, it is vital. This is something EVERY GM, ex GM or potential GM has DREAMS about. With that much salary revenue you can get really good, really fast. The issue these guys miss is you have to actually invest that money, not hoard it. There are plenty of candidates that would kill their mommas to have 50 million dollars.
- A small amount of talent. Granted, it's not much and certainly less than what Sashi inherited and sent packing but it is a start. There's a small amount to build around.
-2.5 years worth of draft volume in draft #1. Again, like the salary cap available, a good to great GM would kill to have that much draft volume to start with BECAUSE a good GM knows he can hit on most of the early picks with high impact, franchise players. Again, paired with free agency he knows he can make a team really good, really fast.
#1 overall pick- Again, see above. Kill for it. They get the pick of the litter.
- The bar is so low. It is sad but it is the truth. "Clueless" Hue Jackson and the Harvard Boys have set the bar so low that ANY good GM and good coach can rest assured that as long as they can go 5-11 or better their job is safe as Ft. Knox.
By these guys ineptitude they are creating the perfect cockpit for a new regime to step into. A proven guy like Scott Pioli would be chomping at the bit to build the next Patriots styled dynasty with those tools to work with. Or even a PROVEN Director of Player Personnel with tons of experience more than ready to take on the challenge.
Because "football men" have done so much better here in the past.
There hasn't been a staff of experienced football men in Cleveland since Art Modell. Fact. The closest we have come is when Lerner hired an over the hill HC to be team President who hired a bunch of rejects and coffee fetchers from his coqching tree strictly because they needed jobs. Everyone else has been inexperienced low level scouts and coffee fetchers from elsewhere. Or, now, an Attorney and a Baseball stats guy with zero experience.
Art Modell succeeded here consistently because he hired smart, proven football men to run the show. The last three owners fail because they hire consulting firms to hand them a list of perceived up and comers to interview.
Well, maybe he thinks if you had a bad experience w/a doctor before, you should go to plumber the next time you are ill. It's brilliant logic.....Really.
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