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All you guys saying there isn't any impressive QB's.

I agreed at first, but after last night....I can't suck it up anymore. I'm tired of it.

Our QB's had time to throw yesterday. Didn't make it happen. Cody refuses to pull the trigger down the field. McCown pulls the trigger but has zero accuracy on the deep ball.

I really don't want to hear how there is no Andrew luck in the next draft. There's plenty of QB's who were drafted in the first round who have taken their teams to the playoffs and beyond, who weren't Andrew luck/Peyton manning type prospects.

I'm sick of what I'm seeing. I'm sick of trading back in the draft. I'm sick of not grabbing the cream of the crop from of draft position.

Whoever is the top rated QB coming out after the college season is over, that's who we need to get.

Somebody with an arm, possibly a dual threat. I'm tired of these statutes we got playing behind center in McCown and Kessler.

sadly swish, i don't think anyone is worth it. Kizer/Watson/Kaaya are not #1s IMO ... kid from UNC didn't look great under pressure from what I saw (and doesn't have much experience)

Who knows, but I doubt we will. I like the kid from Washington, but he's a Soph IIRC

Keep an eye on Cooper Rush. Maybe in the 3rd round, unless he starts to move up like Wentz did. Mitch Trubisky may pass Kizer & Watson as the #1 prospect. 70% completions.

BAP...BAP...BAP...

A quarterback can be made better with great coaching.

(Tom Brady - 6th round)

Unless there's an irresistible QB (there's not).

Or perhaps you meant CB.

I just watched Mitch Trubisky a little last night. He looked pretty good. Looked like a strong arm but its hard to tell on TV. 6' 3"--220. Watson & Kizer ???. But lets not start talking that no one is worthy of a 1st pick. We listened to that crap last year and missed out on Carson Wentz. If anybody starts talking Trading Down again I will assume you voted for Hillary.

How many dual threats do we need to draft before fans realize you win in the pocket?

No, we have too many holes to fill. BPA to build a team, then we can try and find a qb.

The very definition of dual threat means they can do both.

The problem is that duel threats from college, usually can't pull off the pocket part in the pros. The running almost becomes a crutch for them, in that when they can't figure out the coverage, they take off running and that's what gets you killed in the NFL. Manziel and RG3 are good examples.

Wilson figured it out.

Aaron Rodgers can be considered dual threat.

Cam newton.

Marcus Mariota

If we had taken Wentz, he would be a disappointment, and would be called a bust by now.

Look at how he has struggled with his LT out, on a better team than he would have had here, and he has not had to score 30 points/game in order to win.

I think the Cowboys are a great example for us. They built the team around the QB (helps that they already had one though). They have one of the best O-lines in football and a good running game. They could then plug in a 4th round draft pick and he hits the ground running.

I think the Cowboy's plan largely relied on being popular and getting lucky. The Browns have neither of those going for them.

We've tried the OL and RB route and ended up with Trent Richardson and Cam Erving (who I haven't completely given up on, but his consistency needs to improve A LOT).

We've been the epitome of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It looks like this would be another instance if we are wanting to go QB. Lots of projects and/or guys that appear to have "fatal" flaws.

DBs look like there will be some good ones. We'll see how the process plays out, though.

I guess one of the problems about finding out if a young quarterback is "the guy" is when you give him no protection whatsoever. It is like a never ending cycle. I like Trubisky, but if you put him behind our current line, he doesn't do any better then Kessler. It's tough to even learn and develop in these early stages when that is what you are subjected to. We all would like to see Kessler go downfield and take more shots. However, by the time a five step drop is completed, he's already running for his life. Unless we are ready to give a QB some help, I'm not sure how interested I am in drafting a QB high. Step number 1 is never letting Cam Erving play another down.

You don't know that. It's a guess that sounds like you are giving the FO a pass.

Philly was supposed to challenge us for the worst record in the league. We even had a debate on here when one guy said no way can we have a worse record than Philly. I challenged that statement and I don't recall anyone backing me up. Heck, one guy made a bet w/me. So, let's not pretend that Philly is some great team.

I also want to address the OL talk. I think they are getting too much hate. I was down on them because they let Schwartz and Mack walk. However, they have played better than I expected. Our qbs typically have adequate time to throw early in games, but when we fall behind by wide margins, teams know we have to pass and they can pin their ears back. We also have to recognize that Cody, RGIII, and McCown all hold the ball longer than most QBs.

Our current OL is not like the Dallas OL. It's not as good as last year, but there are far worse lines in the NFL than ours. Look at what is going on in places like Minnesota and Seattle.

Now, what to do about the QB position moving forward? I really don't know. It's so hard to evaluate collegiate qbs nowadays. The gimmicky offenses and the terrible defenses in conferences like the Big 12 and Pac 10 make it hard to determine if a qb is a legit prospect or not.

I don't see anyone I really think is worth drafting w/the first overall pick. But, I was wrong about Wentz.......so, you never know.

I am thinking that it would be great if we could trade for a guy. Someone like Jimmy G or maybe Stafford. I doubt they become available, but one never knows.

We're in a bad spot.

There is a kid at Northwestern that intrigues me. His name is Clayton Thorson. I have watched him twice and while he is a bit raw, he has great tools. Good size. Very strong arm. Makes all the throws. Tough dude.

Not sure if he draft eligible or not.

Yep we still have 3 of our 5 probowler linemen on the roster today. I gotta say Drango has shown more fight and usefulness within his first 4 months of being a Brown than Irving has shown at all. I think this team has some line talent to build around. I really like the fight that I see out of Drango. He might not ever be as good as Schwartz, a tall task, but he can be serviceable like Ryan Tucker was.

Oh yeah, and I was one of those dudes who thought the Eagles were going to be extremely trash. But Doug has proved me wrong in all respects.

If we're talking about grabbing players from other teams, why don't we just offer a low round pick for Cardale Jones?

Yeah, our line isn't great but I don't think they are as bad as most are making them out to be.

Oh..........and I didn't bring up the Philly prediction thing to rub salt in any wounds. I brought it up to suggest that Philly wasn't highly regarded before the season and to say that Wentz would stink here is probably not accurate.

What round was Cardale drafted in? The 4th?

I like his arm. His processing skills blew my mind [not in a good way] last year, but he might be one of those guys better suited to the NFL game than he was for Ohio State's offense.

I agree with this line of thinking. I posted this on the Cowboys' postgame thread:



We can argue whether all the guys I mentioned are worth considering, but we have to come up with a developmental future starting QB. I don't think that guy is in this draft, which is why we should be thinking of using that wealth of draft picks to trade for our guy, whomever it is that they identify as worthy. The only part I'd differ with you on is whether you can trade for a viable QB with a "low round" draft pick. I think you'll have to blow someone away to pry one of those guys loose.

I could see us trading down and drafting some Bama studs like Johnathan Allen and Tim Williams. Jets could be a partner.

Jimmy Garoppolo.

Look at the difference in Wentz's play with and without Lane Johnson, and then correlate that with how you expect he would look behind our OL. Also, he has a very good RB and he has a good RB corps. His WR corps, as a whole is at least as good as ours. His defense is miles ahead of ours. They are 6th in the NFL, allowing only 18.5 points/game. We allow almost 30. He has a lot less pressure there than he would here.

Look at his past few games. he has been ... rough. he started out the year with 7 TD and 1 INT in his 1st 4 games. Since then he has thrown 2 TD and 4 INT. I am trying to imagine how people would react here if he had back to back games where he threw 28 times for 138 yards, and 43 times for 202.

Yeah, if we had taken him he would be considered a disappointment, and people would be calling him a bust.

I'm good, thanks.

It would probably take quite a bit. Maybe they'd be interested in Collins.

Matt Castle 2.0

Or even worse, Ryan mallet

I have zero idea why people are so attracted to patriot cast off QB's.

This right here. If BB would let him go for ANYTHING, then you know he aint worth keeping. Just let it go.

A lot of people really, really liked Jimmy G before the draft. This has nothing to do w/the team he plays for.

A lot of people also like Ryan mallet before the draft as well.

If I can trade down and get a future first with a shot at still getting Hooker, that's my move. I'm not sold on anyone in this class so far. I like Mahomes as a developmental project, but not a 1-1 (though if he panned out I wouldn't complain).

Francois FSU, Browning Washington, Jackson Louisville, Rosen UCLA could be a monster QB class. It might rival or even surpass the 2004 draft. Of course, if we're at the top of the draft again we run the risk of them deciding to stay in school.

See how Kessler and RG3 do in year two of the system. Build the team around them. I don't love it, but adding a similar caliber QB and not fixing the D won't help things. Looks like a good draft to need secondary/edge at the top.

I agree to a point. I just don't see us doing that with the first pick if we hold the first pick. Myles Garrett is the guy we need to take. He is far and away the best player in this draft. Let's see who's there with the Eagles pick.

We just can't pass on Garrett. The only way I pass on him is to move down to #2 where we could get Tribusky and a load of picks. Even then I will feel a little sick. Having an elite pass rusher staring you in the face is just a notch under having an elite qb in your grasp. None of this years QBs are elite IMO.

j/c:

Not sure if this has already been posted but here is an article from Dane Brugler of CBS. He's widely considered one of the best in the business and I think has begun to come around on Mitch Trubisky, from Mentor, OH.

NFL Draft Stock Report: Tar Heels' Trubisky emerging as a legit QB prospect

Who helped themselves?

Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina, rJR. (6-3, 220, 4.83, #10)

Spurning offers from Alabama, Tennessee and his home-state Ohio State Buckeyes out of high school, Trubisky arrived at Chapel Hill with plenty of hype that is now coming to fruition. After redshirting and not being able to beat out Marquise Williams the past two seasons, Trubisky entered this season as the clear No. 1 quarterback on the depth chart. He struggled in the season-opening lost to Georgia, but over the past four games, Trubisky has been near perfect, including an impressive performance at Florida State. He finished 31-for-38 (81.6-percent completions) for 405 yards, four total touchdowns and no interceptions.
He makes smart, poised decisions from the pocket and delivers with outstanding ball placement, currently leading the FBS with 76 percent completions on the season. His downfield passes are still a work in progress, but he has outstanding chemistry with his targets, notably senior Ryan Switzer (5-10, 185, 4.50, #3), allowing them to catch the ball in stride and create. Only five starts into his career (against below average pass defenses), it is too early to say with any conviction whether or not Trubisky is a top-level quarterback prospect, but the early evidence has his arrow pointing north.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/...it-qb-prospect/

Maybe what they really need to do is start playing their own game at a quicker, more refined pace, more polished, and look like they've not been assembled with no practice, like all star teams are.

Sure, the problem is they're in a lose, lose, lose, situation.

Lose, they need continuity, they have to stay with someone and not blow things up all the time.

lose #2, they picked non football guys, this time, finaly found a coach worse than Mangini, and let anybody who's got football tuffness and thus maybe not the "yes sir" attitude all the time, go like a sieve.

lose #3, the only one who needs to figure this out is the owner, yet... Wife Dee's name was mentioned for the first time in reports about ownership in the last 16 months, and Jimmy, or One of them are the ones that brought in Sashi, and Depodesta

but on a whole
nother
point.

Good playoff teams don't talk about the draft much. Only the top 104-114ish players drafted will have an impact.

It's better to win in the season than in april, draft day.
Sometimes you should pick players with faults.
Somebody's got to develop the players.

The problem hasn't been the Browns have drafted bad, it's that being drafted by the browns makes a player less than all they could be. Part of this is because the Browns can't keep their own, so maybe, the young guys are asked to fill the veterans roles before they are veterans.

But the biggest problem, the last 11 years, since the level of "bad" got worse in everything since 2006, is the Browns can't, / , or Won't, keep their own folks in place.

Players, coaches, coordinators, schemes, even owners.

and Ya, they need to take a Qb, with #1.

And Ya, it might be a not very good guy.

And Hey, ME! MOURGYM! and one other regular poster on here told y'all that Ryan Tannehil should have been Thee Man, but the team took Trent Richardson,
And some said he was only a qb for a small part of his college, he was actually a receiver.

Well they could do somewhat worse than if they had had Ryan Tannehil as a quarterback these last couple years.

But!!! If the Browns had taken him, they'd have given up, because that's what the Browns usually do, in like, Weeden, and Manziel, and others

But they'll find a guy who Really doesn't have it, IT! and stick with him, in like Charlie Frye, and Peyton Hillis, and others

let the good ones go, keep the bad ones,
don't recognize what you have,

The glory days of Butch Davis' , who'd of thought it.

and if you find a talent, "ruin it" , or " let it walk to another team" which begins to look like guys getting a call up to the majors.

so the lose, lose , lose, situation is

they are at a point, where they need to realize this is a Horrible , Awful, pattern, and needs! to Stop!

and the only way out of it is to do the pattern ONe More, Time,
because, though last time wasn't a good situation

this time is an 0-32 type of situation, that'll, or would still be 0-64, or 0-96 type at the end of it
I mean I don't think they are getting any kind of better or will get, if they stick with THESE!!!!!!!!!!!! did I emphasize "these" guys enough.

Xavier Cooper, and Nate Orchard.

Good in 2015, not good in 2016. Browns first 104 ish draft pics in last April, april 2016,
Mostly Defense,
Mostly, Ogbah, and Nassib, and why?

and the secondary, Wow! that's a recognition problem. (recognizing who you need to fight to keep, and who to NOT just give spots to.)

Matt Cassel was was pretty good for the Chiefs for a few years before he went into the tank. I'd take three years of good QB play.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CassMa00.htm