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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Pipelines are good things, but only in states not named Alabama.
This logic applies to most things.

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They need to build more gas pipelines from the gulf. Because three times now, since I have lived in Georgia, the pipeline has been down and has caused gas shortages in the southeast. One of those times caused violence to breakout at gas stations. There was wide spread price gouging. And not just gas. 30 bucks for some bottled water. It was beyond ridiculous. I cannot believe this one pipeline is the best solution they can come up with.

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They probabaly steer clear of the gulf because they don't want another BP incident.

That was a historically monumental train wreck.

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They need to build more gas pipelines from the gulf. Because three times now, since I have lived in Georgia, the pipeline has been down and has caused gas shortages in the southeast. One of those times caused violence to breakout at gas stations. There was wide spread price gouging. And not just gas. 30 bucks for some bottled water. It was beyond ridiculous. I cannot believe this one pipeline is the best solution they can come up with.




And all of those lasted maybe a week v the number of years they have worked.



If you have a better way that it can be done, name it.


I don't like pipelines, I just don't see a better way. Is there a better way??


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I'd rather have another pipeline than see 8 states expand their fracking goals.

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In a state that is experiencing thousands of earthquakes because of fracking, where we never had them before, I second that.


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In a state that is experiencing thousands of earthquakes because of fracking, where we never had them before, I second that.


Thousands? I hadn't heard that.

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I agree that we need to find other means, but until then, it is what it is.


I like hearing that, and agree. Or... maybe I like what I think you're saying. Please define 'other means' first, then I'll know whether we are like minds or not.


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In a state that is experiencing thousands of earthquakes because of fracking, where we never had them before, I second that.


Thousands? I hadn't heard that.



Why would you? It's important for big oil to keep you unaware of the environmental damage it does. Fact of the matter is that Oklahoma has more earthquakes than California does. It's now peaking towards them having 400 or more earthquakes per year now.

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We had 907, 3 plus in 2015 alone.


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Yes I used to look at those eathquake watch pages and wonder why every day there was one or multiple earthquakes in the Oklahoma area. Now I know.

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Our governor Effie, (Mary Fallen) has finally started shutting down the fracking because of public outrage.

I was sitting at a stop light recently on a quiet Saturday morning when my car started rocking, and kept rocking. I thought instead of going to the forest to shoot wildlife I should take my car to the dealership to check it out. My wife called me and asked if I felt that. It turned out to be a 5 plus earthquake.


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In a state that is experiencing thousands of earthquakes because of fracking, where we never had them before, I second that.


Thousands? I hadn't heard that.



Why would you? It's important for big oil to keep you unaware of the environmental damage it does. Fact of the matter is that Oklahoma has more earthquakes than California does. It's now peaking towards them having 400 or more earthquakes per year now.


Big oil controls the media now?

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Only Fox and Brietbart.

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Have you looked at the route this new pipe line is taking? It's way too close to a major source of water for the entire state. If it ever leaks and they always do eventually, most of the state's water supply will be ruined. That's why there are so many protests about it.

If they were to change the route it takes it would be a lot safer but they are ignoring regulations, laws, and what their permits allow and just doing whatever they feel like doing to cut costs. It's horrifying.

I think all fracking should be banned period. Cheaper oil prices are not worth completely destroying huge sections of land forever for.


You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Pipelines also solve the problem of trains and trucks carrying all that flammable liquid through your town at night.


This is a great point.

It also takes trucks off the road, eliminating some some traffic congestion and potential accidents, and eliminates many of those large vehicles polluting the air.


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
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In a state that is experiencing thousands of earthquakes because of fracking, where we never had them before, I second that.


Thousands? I hadn't heard that.


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That is the concern. Oklahoma didn't have much of a history of earthquakes. But a big one struck in November 2011, causing injuries and leveling houses, and officials said in 2014 that earthquakes in the state have increased 5,000%.


So either it's the end of the world or something is causing this.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/04/news/economy/oklahoma-earthquake-oil-gas-explainer/

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I don't take issues with pipelines. However, what's going on in the Dakotas is illegal. The DOI and Army Corp of Engineers told them to NOT build as close as they have to the Missouri River. Hopefully Trump has the balls to do what Obama hasn't.

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I don't take issues with pipelines. However, what's going on in the Dakotas is illegal. The DOI and Army Corp of Engineers told them to NOT build as close as they have to the Missouri River. Hopefully Trump has the balls to do what Obama hasn't.


I'm ignorant on this ... what's going on thats illegal? ..

Any clue why the champion of climate change and the environment is allowing something that is appearantly very dangerous to go on? ..

I learned to follow the money many many years ago and its been about as sound of advice as I've ever received ..

1 + 1 = 4 here .. makes no sense ...

Any clues as to why oBUMa is ok with this? ..

Candy please reply when u can ... I trust U .. so even if Rocket or Swish come in with an answer I will just ASSume its BS ... there way more interested in their agenda's than they are actually trying to learn something ...

Thank u sir ...




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Also Candy .. any clue why all of a sudden there's so many earthquakes in OK? ... they been drilling there since the 70's .. why all of a sudden the sudden spike? ..

Crap .. i remember in the early 90's when i took a job in East Texas .. my first trip to the rural areas (and in East Texas .. thats like 30k and under ... *L* ... ) ... I kept seeing these weird ass looking "pumps" .. so i asked dude I was riding with .. what are those things? ... he *L* hips ass off and said they were oil wells ... i said .. those little things .. *L* ..

Anyhow .. just curious .. why the sudden rise in earthquakes? .. and idea, cause I sure as hell don't .. crap .. i didn't even know about the spike in them ..

Thank U sir!




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If I had to guess, Obama is making money off of this pipeline by allowing some of this to go on. He probably cut a deal with the company to allow this to make some cash once he's gone. I will post a video later, but the Army Corp of Engineers told those building the pipeline to stay 20 miles away from the Missouri River. Some guy took a drone and secretly flew it. You can CLEARLY see the pipeline is half a mile away.

Those building the pipe so close are doing it to save money. Obama is destroying his legacy among Dems with this.

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We have a LOT better equipment than we did in the 90's. We also have a lot more. The earthquakes are a result of displacing the earth and causing the ground to literally shake as result. I might be wrong, but the area they are drilling at be close to a fault line. This isn't a "save the trees" argument or global warming. We are physically moving parts of the earth and causing damage we couldn't have anticipated. It's something you can physically see and measure.

I don't like causing fear, but it's like I said. Either we are causing these earthquakes or something apocalyptic and devastating is brewing underneath Oklahomas crust right now.

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Thanks Candy on both parts ... really appreciate it ...

I don't know squat about this stuff .. my book list just took a dramatic change .. *L* ... can u recommend any? .. like to get the view from all sides ...

I don't like spreading fear .. i also am not a fan of sticking your head in the sand ... this sounds legite ...

Thanks again Candy ,.. appreciate the answers ... if u have any links to good articles or any books you could recommend to help educate me on this subject it would be greatly appreciatted ....




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Thanks Candy on both parts ... really appreciate it ...

I don't know squat about this stuff .. my book list just took a dramatic change .. *L* ... can u recommend any? .. like to get the view from all sides ...

I don't like spreading fear .. i also am not a fan of sticking your head in the sand ... this sounds legite ...

Thanks again Candy ,.. appreciate the answers ... if u have any links to good articles or any books you could recommend to help educate me on this subject it would be greatly appreciatted ....


You honestly haven't heard any of the reports about fracking leading to earthquakes?
If not, wow. Where have you been?


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I will post more on the topic when I can. Unfortunately with stuff like this there's no reason to lose sleep over it. There's nothing you can do besides not make it worse. How do you fix the literal earth and the plates itself? They just need to stop before they start triggering earthquakes in the 6 and 7 range. That would take some time to do.

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Thanks Candy on both parts ... really appreciate it ...

I don't know squat about this stuff .. my book list just took a dramatic change .. *L* ... can u recommend any? .. like to get the view from all sides ...

I don't like spreading fear .. i also am not a fan of sticking your head in the sand ... this sounds legite ...

Thanks again Candy ,.. appreciate the answers ... if u have any links to good articles or any books you could recommend to help educate me on this subject it would be greatly appreciatted ....


You honestly haven't heard any of the reports about fracking leading to earthquakes?
If not, wow. Where have you been?


Instead of insulting him, why don't you try to educate him?

Sheesh!!!!

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The earthquakes here are not following the most likely fault lines well beneath our feet but are following where the wells are injecting the waste water back into the ground.

Here's a report from the Weather Channel which gives a Fracking 101 description, a graph of the fault lines here and where the earthquakes are occurring.


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No worries Vers ,.. its been like this my entire life .. always been made fun of for asking what others think are "stupid" questions ... luckily I'm resilient .. *L*. ... and as u can see, i still can't spell .. smile ... plus I know who he is .... its what i expect ...

End of the day .. i have no probs "looking ignorant" when i ask questions .. its HOW I LEARN .. to me the rewards far exceed the dis-advantages .... thats why i been doing it since grade school .. *L* ...

I may need even more help than I think ... i thought we were talking about oil wells and not fracking ... and if fracking (i spelled it right .. spell check got me and I'm sick of changing everything .. *L*) ..

And if fracking and oil wells are basically the same thing as far as extracting is concerned .. then i need to go learn more about fracking also .. i know some about fracking, like the fear of causing earthquakes .. and the economic side of it ... I would say I know just enough to be dangerous .. *L* ...

In about 6 months i should be able to at least understand what the conversation is about and may even be able to intelligently contribute to it ....




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Thanks Obama.



We've turned Oklahoma into California. thumbsdown

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Thanks for the link Tulsa ..

CANDY - look forward to what else u have to say and any material u can provide ..

There's alot of things I can't do anything about but still have a desire to learn about .. *L* ...

Thanks again man ....




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My heart goes out to the people in Oklahoma. They have to deal with a rough economy, being a tornado playground, and now this.

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You have always been receptive to being educated. I was hoping more guys would respond to you because I don't know much about the topic, either. However, here are a couple of things to get your started:

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Fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, uses high-pressure slugs of chemicals, water, and sand to crack shale formations deep underground, unlocking methane gas trapped therein. America has been fracking since the ’40s, but production didn’t really take off until 2005. That year, the Bush Administration’s EPA exempted fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act. This opened the fracking floodgates. “Half of shale gas produced in history has been produced in the last 4 years or so,” says Robert Howarth, an environmental scientist at Cornell University.

The EPA’s 2005 decision was based on the notion that fracking’s chemical-laden water would stay deep in the earth. About 20 to 40 percent of the fluid used to crack open a shale play comes back to the surface. Drillers typically inject it into old, dried out wells, or other deep sites. “The disposal of the fracking return fluids remains a big challenge,” says Howarth.



Read the full article here: https://www.wired.com/2015/06/frackings-problems-go-deeper-water-pollution/




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8 Dangerous Side Effects of Fracking That the Industry Doesn't Want You to Hear About
Radon gas, anyone?
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With the recent confirmation by the U.S. government that the fracking process causes earthquakes, the list of fracking's deadly byproducts is growing longer and more worrisome. And while the process produces jobs and natural gas, the host of environmental, health and safety hazards continues to make fracking a hot-button issue that evenly divides Americans.

To help keep track of all the bad stuff, here's a roundup of the various nasty things that could happen when you drill a hole in the surface of the earth, inject toxic chemicals into the hole at a high pressure and then inject the wastewater deep underground.

But first, let's take a look at some of the numbers:

40,000: gallons of chemicals used for each fracturing site
8 million: number of gallons of water used per fracking
600: number of chemicals used in the fracking fluid, including known carcinogens and toxins such as lead, benzene, uranium, radium, methanol, mercury, hydrochloric acid, ethylene glycol and formaldehyde
10,000: number of feet into the ground that the fracking fluid is injected through a drilled pipeline
1.1 million: number of active gas wells in the United States
72 trillion: gallons of water needed to run current gas wells
360 billion: gallons of chemicals needed to run current gas wells
300,000: number of barrel of natural gas produced a day from fracking
And here are eight of the worst side effects of fracking you don't hear about from those slick TV commercials paid for by the industry.

1. Burning the furniture to heat the house.

During the fracking process, methane gas and toxic chemicals leach out from the well and contaminate nearby groundwater. The contaminated water is used for drinking water in local communities. There have been over 1,000 documented cases of water contamination near fracking areas as well as cases of sensory, respiratory and neurological damage due to ingested contaminated water.

In 2011, the New York Times reported that it obtained thousands of internal documents from the EPA, state regulators and fracking companies, which reveal that "the wastewater, which is sometimes hauled to sewage plants not designed to treat it and then discharged into rivers that supply drinking water, contains radioactivity at levels higher than previously known, and far higher than the level that federal regulators say is safe for these treatment plants to handle."

A single well can produce more than a million gallons of wastewater, which contains radioactive elements like radium and carcinogenic hydrocarbons like benzene. In addition, methane concentrations are 17 times higher in drinking-water wells near fracking sites than in normal wells. Only 30-50 percent of the fracturing fluid is recovered; the rest is left in the ground and is not biodegradable.

“We’re burning the furniture to heat the house,” said John H. Quigley, former secretary of Pennsylvania’s Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. “In shifting away from coal and toward natural gas, we’re trying for cleaner air, but we’re producing massive amounts of toxic wastewater with salts and naturally occurring radioactive materials, and it’s not clear we have a plan for properly handling this waste."

2. Squeezed out.

More than 90 percent of the water used in fracking well never returns to the surface. Since that water is permanently removed from the natural water cycle, this is bad news for drought-afflicted or water-stressed states, such as Arkansas, California, Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Texas and Wyoming.

"We don't want to look up 20 years from now and say, Oops, we used up all our water," said Jason Banes of the Boulder, Colorado-based Western Resource Advocates.

The redirection of water supplies to the fracking industry not only causes water price spikes, but also reduces water availability for crop irrigation.


"There is a new player for water, which is oil and gas," said Kent Peppler, president of the Rocky Mountain Farmers Union. "And certainly they are in a position to pay a whole lot more than we are."

3. Bad for babies.

The waste fluid left over from the fracking process is left in open-air pits to evaporate, which releases dangerous volatile organic compounds (VOCs) into the atmosphere, creating contaminated air, acid rain and ground-level ozone.

Exposure to diesel particulate matter, hydrogen sulfide and volatile hydrocarbons can lead to a host of health problems, including asthma, headaches, high blood pressure, anemia, heart attacks and cancer.

It can also have a damaging effect on immune and reproductive systems, as well as fetal and child development. A 2014 study conducted by the Colorado Department of Environmental and Occupational Health found that mothers who live near fracking sites are 30 percent more likely to have babies with congenital heart defects.

Research from Cornell University indicates an increased prevalence of low birth weight and reduced APGAR scores in infants born to mothers living near fracking sites in Pennsylvania. And in Wyoming's Sublette County, the fracking boom has been linked to dangerous spikes in ozone concentrations. A study led by the state's Department of Health found that these ozone spikes are associated with increased outpatient clinic visits for respiratory problems.

4. Killer gas.

A recent study by researchers at Johns Hopkins University found that homes located in suburban and rural areas near fracking sites have an overall radon concentration 39 percent higher than those located in non-fracking urban areas. The study included almost 2 million radon readings taken between 1987 and 2013 done in over 860,000 buildings from every county, mostly homes.

A naturally occurring radioactive gas formed by the decay of uranium in rock, soil and water, radon—odorless, tasteless and invisible—moves through the ground and into the air, while some remains dissolved in groundwater where it can appear in water wells. It is the second leading cause of lung cancer worldwide, after smoking. The EPA estimates approximately 21,000 lung cancer deaths in the U.S. are radon-related.

"Between 2005-2013, 7,469 unconventional wells were drilled in Pennsylvania. Basement radon concentrations fluctuated between 1987-2003, but began an upward trend from 2004-2012 in all county categories," the researchers wrote.


That trending period just happens to start when Pennsylvania's fracking boom began: Between Jan. 1, 2005, and March 2, 2012, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection issued 10,232 drilling permits; only 36 requests were denied.

5. Shifting sands.

In addition to all the water and toxic chemicals, fracking requires the use of fine sand, or frac sand, which has driven a silica sand mining boom in Minnesota and Wisconsin, which together have 164 active frac sand facilities with 20 more proposed. Both states are where most of the stuff is produced and where regulations are lax for air and water pollution monitoring. Northeastern Iowa has also become a primary source.

"Silica can impede breathing and cause respiratory irritation, cough, airway obstruction and poor lung function," according to Environmental Working Group. "Chronic or long-term exposure can lead to lung inflammation, bronchitis and emphysema and produce a severe lung disease known as silicosis, a form of pulmonary fibrosis. Silica-related lung disease is incurable and can be fatal, killing hundreds of workers in the U.S. each year."

"I could feel dust clinging to my face and gritty particles on my teeth,” said Victoria Trinko, a resident of Bloomer, Wisconsin. Within nine months of the construction of frac sand mine, about a half-mile from her home, she developed a sore throat and raspy voice and was eventually diagnosed with environment-caused asthma. She hasn't opened her windows since 2012.

Across the 33-county frac sand mining area that spans Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa, nearly 60,000 people live less than half a mile from existing or proposed mines. And new danger zones will likely pop up around the nation: Due to the fracking boom, environmentalists and public health advocates warn that frac sand mines could spread to several states with untapped silica deposits, including Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Vermont and Virginia.

Bryan Shinn, the chief executive of sand mining company U.S. Silica Holdings said in September that due to the fracking boom, they "see a clear pathway to the volume of sand demand that's out there doubling or tripling in the next four to five years."

6. Shake, rattle and roll.

On April 20, the U.S. Geological Survey released a long-awaited report that confirmed what many scientists have long speculated: the fracking process causes earthquakes. Specifically, over the last seven years, geologically stable regions of the U.S., including parts of Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma and Texas, have experienced movements in faults that have not moved in millions of years. Plus, it's difficult or impossible to predict where future fracking-caused earthquakes will occur.

"They're ancient faults," said USGS geophysicist William Ellsworth. "We don’t always know where they are."


Ellsworth led the USGS team that analyzed changes in earthquake occurrence rates in the central and eastern United States since 1970. They found that between 1973–2008, there was an average of 21 earthquakes of at least magnitude three. From 2009-2013, the region experienced 99 M3+ earthquakes per year. And the rate is still rising. In Oklahoma, there were 585 earthquakes in 2014—more than in the last 35 years combined.

"The increase in seismicity has been found to coincide with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells in several locations, including Colorado, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Ohio," the report states. "Much of this wastewater is a byproduct of oil and gas production and is routinely disposed of by injection into wells specifically designed and approved for this purpose."

For many years, Oklahoma's government has been reluctant to concede the connection between fracking and earthquakes. In October of last year, during a gubernatorial election debate with state Rep. Joe Dorman, a Democrat, Governor Mary Fallin, a Republican, declined to say whether or not she believed earthquakes were caused by fracking. Fallin was re-elected.

But the government has finally come around. The day after the USGS report was released, on April 21, the Oklahoma Geological Survey, a state agency, released a statement saying that is it "very likely that the majority of recent earthquakes, particularly those is central and north-central Oklahoma, are triggered by the injection of produced water in disposal wells."

The same day, the state's energy and environment department launched a website that explains the finding along with an earthquake map and what the government is doing about it all. According to the site, "Oklahoma state agencies are not waiting to take action."

Now there is a split between the state's governmental branches: Two days after the executive branch admitted that fracking causes earthquakes, the state's lawmakers, evidently unmoved by the trembling ground, passed two bills, backed by the oil and gas industry, that limit the ability of local communities to decide if they want fracking in their backyards.

7. The heat is on.

Natural gas is mostly methane, a highly potent greenhouse gas that traps 86 times as much heat as carbon dioxide. And because methane leaks during the fracking process, fracking may be worse than burning coal, mooting the claim that natural gas burns more cleanly than coal.

"When you frack, some of that gas leaks out into the atmosphere," writes 350.org co-founder Bill McKibben. "If enough of it leaks out before you can get it to a power plant and burn it, then it's no better, in climate terms, than burning coal. If enough of it leaks, America's substitution of gas for coal is in fact not slowing global warming."

A recent international satellite study on North American fracking production led by the Institute of Environmental Physics at the University of Bremen in Germany found that "fugitive methane emissions" caused by the fracking process "may counter the benefit over coal with respect to climate change" and that "net climate benefit…is unlikely."

"Even small leaks in the natural gas production and delivery system can have a large climate impact—enough to gut the entire benefit of switching from coal-fired power to gas," writes Joe Romm, the founding editor of the blog Climate Progress. "The climate will likely be ruined already well past most of our lifespans by the time natural gas has a net climate benefit."

8. Quid pro quo?

Finally, one of the more insidious side effects of fracking is less about the amount of chemicals flowing into the ground and more about the amount of money flowing into politicians' campaign coffers from the fracking industry.

According to a 2013 report by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), contributions from fracking trade groups and companies operating fracking wells to congressional candidates representing states and districts where fracking occurs rose by more than 230 percent between the 2004 and 2012 election cycles, from $2.1 million to $6.9 million.

That is nearly twice as much as the increase in contributions from the fracking industry to candidates from non-fracking districts during the same period, outpacing contributions from the entire oil and gas industry to all congressional candidates. Republican congressional candidates have received nearly 80 percent of fracking industry contributions.

"The fracking boom isn’t just good for the industry, but also for congressional candidates in fracking districts," said CREW executive director Melanie Sloan.

The candidate who has received the most in contributions from the fracking industry is Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX). Barton received more than $500,000 between the 2004 and 2012 election cycles—over $100,000 more than any other candidate in the nation. It should come as no surprise that Barton sponsored the Energy Policy Act of 2005, which exempted fracking from federal oversight under the Safe Drinking Water Act.

On April 21, Colorado and Wyoming filed a lawsuit challenging the new federal fracking regulations issued last month by the Bureau of Land Management for onshore drilling on tribal and public lands, claiming that the rule, which regulates underground injections in the fracking process, "exceeds the agency's statutory jurisdiction."

"The debate over hydraulic fracturing is complicated enough without the federal government encroaching on states’ rights," said Colorado Attorney General Cynthia H. Coffman, in a statement. "This lawsuit will demonstrate that BLM exceeds its powers when it invades the states’ regulatory authority in this area."

Coffman, a Republican, is married to Colorado Rep. Mike Coffman (CO-8), also a Republican. Coffman and two other GOP representatives from the state, Scott Tipton (CO-3) and Doug Lamborn (CO-5), have sponsored a trio of bills—H.R. 4321, 4382 and 4383 (called the “3 Stooges” bills by environmentalists)—that would fast-track leasing and permitting for drilling and fracking on public lands. These three congressmen, each of whom have received more than $100,000 in contributions from the oil and gas industry, sit on the Natural Resources Committee and naturally oppose federal regulations on fracking.

Short-Term Thinking

Fracking proponents point to the fact that it produces natural gas and jobs; indeed takes credit for boosting the economy during the recession. But at what cost to public health and the environment? And can the true cost be known when there is a lack of transparency in the fracking industry?

With little federal oversight, states have created a non-uniform patchwork of regulation: Illinois requires fracking companies to disclose information about the chemicals they use before they drill and monitor groundwater through the process, while Virginia doesn't require any disclosure.

"So far, the industry has successfully fended off almost all federal regulation of fracking, in part through key exemptions from federal laws such as the Safe Drinking Water Act, which otherwise would allow the EPA to directly regulate fracking and other aspects of oil and gas production," says CREW.

The FRAC Act (Fracturing Responsibility and Awareness of Chemicals Act) would require the energy industry to disclose all chemicals used in fracturing fluid and also repeal fracking's exemption from the Safe Drinking Water Act.

Of course, everyone wants reliable domestically produced energy that creates jobs and energy independence. But nothing comes for free. And in the case of fracking, still with so many unknowns, the price in the long run may be too great.

That's part of the message that Reps. Mark Pocan (D-WI) and Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) hope the American public gets. On April 22, Earth Day, the two lawmakers introduced the Protect Our Public Lands Act, H.R. 1902. The strongest anti-fracking bill ever introduced into Congress, it seeks to ban fracking on public lands. Today, 90 percent of federally managed lands are open for potential oil and gas leasing; the remaining 10 percent are reserved for conservation, recreation, wildlife and cultural heritage.

"Our national parks, forests and public lands are some of our most treasured places and need to be protected for future generations,” said Pocan. "It is clear fracking has a detrimental impact on the environment and there are serious safety concerns associated with these type of wells. Until we fully understand the effects, the only way to avoid these risks is to halt fracking entirely. We should not allow short-term economic gain to harm our public lands, damage our communities or endanger workers."

Sounds logical enough. But with oil and gas money steering the Republican-controlled Congress, the bill is dead in the radioactive wastewater.


http://www.alternet.org/environment/8-da...-you-hear-about


Then, read this one from LiveScience. It is pretty good and has additional links that you can use to fact check.

http://www.livescience.com/34464-what-is-fracking.html

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I agree that we need to find other means, but until then, it is what it is.


I like hearing that, and agree. Or... maybe I like what I think you're saying. Please define 'other means' first, then I'll know whether we are like minds or not.




Alternate means of energy. I don't rule anything out...solar, hydro, wind. For cars look at hydrogen or natural gas/propane in addition to pushing electric means. I am not against nuclear, though I would do more to make it even safer. My idea is to already have a containment building in place in the event of a accident. Then more common sense things...like no building near fault lines, etc.


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Off topic, but Peen mentioned it. I don't know how buildings afford the insurance being located next to fault lines.

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Off topic, but Peen mentioned it. I don't know how buildings afford the insurance being located next to fault lines.


Just to add on to this, I know this will sound callous, but how can people choose to live in a place like New Zealand? I have friends that live there and they tell me they experience probably 150-200 earthquakes (mostly really, really small and not noticeable) a week. 15,000 earthquakes a year on average is just insane to me.

http://earthquaketrack.com/p/new-zealand/recent

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Those are not earthquakes.

It's just GAS blush


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Diam, this short clip slightly explains what we've talked about:

I'm a visual learner. If you're the same way the graphic they show will explain it better than I have.

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House Speaker Ryan: 'Welcome to the dawn of a new unified Republican government

Trump was a very successful businessman.
Trump will be a very successful president

"Welcome to the dawn of a new unified Republican government," Ryan said at a news conference. "This will be a government focused on turning President-elect [Donald] Trump's victory into real progress for the American people."

"At the same time we recognize that the task ahead of us is enormous," he said. "If we are going to put our country back on the right track, we have got to be bold and we have to go big."
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/15/house-spe...government.html

Murica! thumbsup

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Those are not earthquakes.

It's just GAS blush


Are you saying that the earth is just 'breaking wind'? grin


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I am very concerned/DISAPPOINTED that Steve Bannon has been given a job in Trumps administration.

This is not a good man.


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