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i know bro i'm just saying.

we need a damn QB. like...seriously.

I think Watson is borderline undraftable to me. He looks like your standard gimmicky spread offense QB who has inflated numbers. He's built like a twig too.

I was a huge Tajh Boyd fan... he had the numbers, looked the part. Don't think he played a single NFL game.

So hard to judge these Clemson guys.

It's hard to judge a lot of QB's around college.

Goff can't even see the field. Nobody expect Dak to be this good.

Hell, Flacco got hot one good year. He's been average at best.

And Bortles officially has the reputation of being a garbage time Quarterback.

Hue has gotten the most out of Cody. Imagine what he can do with the talent of Watson.

Watson had 4,000 yards and another 1,100 yards rushing last year.

That's beyond ridiculous. The playbook is wide open with a guy like that.

j/c:

"Ditch (2016 season) for Mitch"

Hopefully what happened to Bridgewater, happens to Watson, and he is there with our second 1st round pick. I can't pass on Garrett though.

Primarily because of the style of offense they played in college, production, physical skillset and size.

I'd consider trading up for this monster. Him and Garrett fix our defense day 1.

If he's a twig, what does that make Lamar Jackson?

allen is the best interior dl in a long time

Obviously I would love to draft both Garrett and Allen. Both go top 5. How much do you give up to get him? The Eagles 1st this year and our 1st next year? We can't do that. Next year's number one is likely top 5 (regardless of who we draft this year) in what looks to be a high quality Qb draft (at least projected at this point).

So then you are looking at teams asking for the Eagles pick and both out 2nd rounders. Maybe we can negotiate down to the Eagles pick, our original number 2 and our 3rd rounder. This is what I am going with but ultimately it will depend on where that Eagles pick falls.

Guys that could be taken in those spots are possibly (off the top of my head) include

Ramchyck OT Wisc or the Wash Cb, outside chance cam robinson OT alabama
Jourdan Lewis CB Mich ot the temple OT
The west virginia center

Those picks "if used right" could fix a lot of holes
Still leaves safety but I don't think any of the top, top safeties fall to that 2nd eagles pick and I haven't looked at the 2nd tier of S to see who might be worth it.

We would still have the Titans 2nd round pick in this scenario.

Not laying this out to argue against the idea. Just trying to evaluate the price to see if it is worth it. I have always belonged to the school of trading up to get the player you want and that a stud impact player is better than 2 good players is better than 3 okay players. I don't see a lot of difference between 6/7th round pick and the top street free agents.

If we could get Allen for the Eagles pick, our 2nd and a 5th, or the Eagles pick the titans pick and our 4th then yes I think I do make that trade. More than that gives me pause but not a definitive no. I would need to give it more in depth evaluation.

What are you thoughts on what value you would give up?

And it's early this morning. I apologize if I went around in circles.

Shoot. Knowing our owner and FO, we will probably trade down from both picks and acquire guys like Louis and Schobert and a bunch of future picks.

U must not have watched Saturday's game .. *LOL* ..

I think u left out a huge intangible ..

Hes a WINNER ... i don't like him as an NFL QB ..

But he's dug some holes for his team this year and up until last week when his coach f'd up going for it on 4th down .. he's always led them back with him making plays with his arm ..

I moved down to SC in sept. .. make a point to watch them as there on every week here ..

Don't think he's going to be a good pro for other reasons .. but dude is a WINNER ... and he doesn't wilt after making mistakes and no moment is to big for him ...

For me .. thats VERY TELLING ... and someone i want on my team .. just not sold on him for other reasons ..

Pray tell...

Now THAT is one heck of a thought. QBs would fear facing us.


Count me in!!

JMO. I would stay where we are in the draft and take BPA. No more trading down for more picks. We have that already. Take an impact player, someone who can become a team leader.

We'd have a nasty front 7 if we played more of a 4-3 base. I'd gladly package our first plus some 2nd and 3rd round picks to move up. Have guys like Ogbah be a rotational pass rusher.


Garrett
Allen
Shelton
Nassib

Collins
Davis
Kirksey

No.

Yes.

No.

We need a QB.

First round. After that I don't care.

If you think we can get Watson with our second 1st then whatever, grab one of those D lineman.

But we need a QB in the first.

I think we're going to need to overpay a bit this FA.

Get at least an Average level player at every level.

You can only bring in so many rookies.

If they don't sign at least 2 or 3 good players in free agency then everyone's getting fired because there is no way Haslam keeps anyone in the FO including Hue if this team doesn't produce some wins next year. With the current talent level and having a bunch of young players, this team isn't making huge strides next year. It's not going to happen and that is going to cause big problems again. You don't get 5 years to build a team.

I wouldn't mind seeing

1) Garrett
2) Jabrill Peppers

then continue with BPA. Be hard to miss considering the holes with have to fill.
I choose Peppers because while having a crazy front seven is cool an all, we desperately need better DB's. That would be two potential top ten defensive guys. We would be getting (imo) two instant impact guys in the first two picks...imo. cheers

This is a horrible way of thinking.

most likely in the third or fourth I would hope.

sidenote, internet up here is getting better lol jk

Also a horrible way of thinking.

Find a QB you like.

Draft him.

Hell the Colts were apparently going to draft Russell Wilson (in the same year they got Luck) had Seattle not taken him when they did.

how so buddy? if I go get Garrett and Peppers 1 and 2 picks they instantly fill two needs with impact players. as I don't see a 1st round QB in the bunch...so why reach? please explain as I am a football fan not so much a "football guy". cheers my friend.

I think he's just trying to say that you don't "find a qb in a round" you just "find a qb" and pick him. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they kicked the tires on a few of these QBs in the mid rounds. There's a few pro-offense, middle round JR's coming out. I know a lot of QB's stay, but they'll probably shape how the class turns out.

oh ok I see. makes sense to me. to me "kicking tires" on few in the mid rounds, kinda correlates to not picking one in the first two rounds?
And yes Pro offense experience please. Most of the Spread, shot gun QB's have a tough time not just adjusting to the speed of the Pros but taking snaps under center to boot. sorry off topic.
Curious where do you put this QB class? Me? worse than last year imo. I need to watch more college games to formulate a solid opinion on the matter tho. just not really hearing the hype this year, but for like Watson. But when I watched two of his games, he did not really impress that much. Kinda where I was coming from when I said third or fourth round.
But then again I am no expert and was apparently off on the whole Wentz thing. (yet to be determined lol). hopefully they get a fairly big guy. 6'3 or more.

It's not time to draft a QB. It's time to fully build the O-line to keep a QB healthy for more than a few games. Total waste a draft pick just to have them on the IR all the time.

I would happily trade a lower first round pick for Jimmy G in a heartbeat. He is way better than anything in this upcoming draft.

In the mean time we need to use that first pick on the BPA no matter what position that might be. Hopefully its on defense because our defense is sorely lacking talent in the secondary.

My hope is Garrett and hope for Peppers next fist round pick or trade up so then we would have a LB and a S both impact fellas I think. two holes done and over with.

It's not just QBs.

The mindset of "We need to get a 1st round WR, and a RT in round 2" pigeon holes you into only looking at specific people, and possibly reaching.

But as it relates to QBs, as I've said before, saying "We need to draft a QB in the 1st round" is how you end up with Brandon Weeden.

lol believe me buddy, I beyond get that.

which is why I say go get Garrett and Peppers and grab your QB when he is worth it. is all. an in my own lil world that would be after the first two rounds. cuz this QB class doesn't impress.

How are we going to get both Garrett and Peppers?

I think the thought was to draft Garrett and then trade back up for Peppers, with our 2nd rders.

Oh. I doubt we do that, but that's a logical explanation.

We have 2 #1's so if they want him they can probably get him but I hope we don't waste a high pick on a player that no one knows his true position ...