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Mine would be a hybrid somehow between Bernie Kosar and Joe Montana.

Throw in some Mariota. A few years ago, I drew criticism for pimping Marcus Mariota in spite of the fact that we had just drafted Manziell the year before. Since some would have labeled me a Manziel homer, this made it even more interesting. If I was scouting QB's right now, I would label Mariota the standard of which I am comparing against. He and Andrew Luck. Brains, speed, deception, size, ability to read defenses at a high level, toughness, can throw a football, accuracy, etc...

What standards do you have for the future star QB of the Browns? What do you expect? Demand?

What is most important?

Special talent. Special human being. Special football player.

In order to be a consistent playoff team we will need to have a elite level quarterback. I don't see it happening for us if we have an Andy Dalton, Alex Smith, Kurt Cousins, Tyrod Taylor, etc... level guy. They won't make it here.

I believe television is ready to make the Dawg Pound a Thursday and Sunday Night feature. It would play well. The NFL would benefit in many ways by a Browns turnaround, but obviously, everything has backfired in that regard to an extreme. We need a big time talented guy behind center to turn this. Period

Elite Quarterback.

What qualities in a quarterback are the most important, most necessary, in your opinion, to get us the guy that actually leads us into a Super Bowl?

i think a hybrid of gus frerotte and rex grossman would be an upgrade...lol

Sad but true

Accuracy/Brains ...

Don't want anything to do with a hybrid .... Mariatta's success has come because he's now not taking off and running as often .. the run game meaning Demarco Murray helps more than one would think .. hes had some very good pockets and some wide open recievers as a direct result of Murray and the run game ...

Don't get me wrong .. would love to have a QB that is smart/accurate and can run ... but he needs to learn to become a "passer" first and a runner only when he sees a ton of green in front of him or is forced to .. that doesn't mean pulling it down and running at the first hint of pressure ...

I don't know that there is any one standard. Different QBs have done it different ways. Some move a little more, some had bigger arms.

I think the one thing all good QBs have is vision. They can see the field.

Too bad that is a hard one to scout.

If I were a GM of a team that needed a qb and I was given a name of one we could draft high the 1st thing I would ask is has he been in any trouble. If I was told no he's a good kid by all accounts I would ask how big is he and can he make all the NFL throws. If I was told by my scouting staff he is 6' 4" and weighs 230 or more and has a strong arm I then would ask is he smart enough to learn our system, can make reads and go through progressions. If I was told he may not quite understand it now but yes he is smart and with work will be able to do this then I would want to draft him.

...and then we drafted Brady Quinn.

You talk about Wentz as a prospect, like he was coming out of college as the "Next Andrew Luck"

He wasn't. He had flaws.

The biggest thing I had against him was that NDSU didn't miss a beat without him for like 8 games his final year..

Was I wrong? Probably.

But The Browns aren't the only team that ever gets draft picks wrong.

The Redhawks aren't that bad to compare them to Div 2 teams. That's just hurtful.

idk something like a mix of Dan Marino and Big Ben would be nice.

EO, that sounds exactly like Carson Wentz to me. Damn shame we did not pull the trigger when we had the opportunity, just my .02 cents!

I'd be very happy with a below average physical above average mental system QB like a Tom Brady or Drew Brees.

NO Hybrids. Period.

I want SIZE.
I want ARM. Make all throws including deep stuff.
I want ACCURACY.
I want SMARTS.
I want EXPERIENCE.

That has Trubisky written all over it. Except for the damn experience. Go figure. Just our luck.

You must have SMARTS or you'll most likely never figure out how to read any type of NFL defensive sets and most likely struggle to adjust to the speed of the game because you're thinking all the time.

College football is doing the NFL no favors in prepping these guys for success. Way too many read-option and spread offenses in college. That makes it majorly difficult to project these guys to the next level.

If we take Trubisky, wherever that may be, we MUST give him a running game with a decent OL. As of today the weapons are here. And let him roll.

Prescott walked into a GIFT in Dallas with everything they have.

I remember having this conversation on the old board a few times. It was pretty good stuff. I think the game has changed a bit since then and thus, some of the attributes a qb needs have evolved along w/the changes.

Here are my thoughts:

*Football intelligence: By that I mean that you need a qb who can come up to the LOS, read the defense, and then be able to make audibles, or choose the right play if there are two called.

Football smarts also includes things like making sight adjustments, hot reads, throwing w/anticipation, and making post-snap coverage reads. It's also about going through progressions and exploiting weaknesses in coverage.

I have always believed that you can coach a guy to make the pre-snap reads but it isn't much you can do about many of the post-snap things.

*Poise/Leadership/Toughness: I typically separate these attributes, but in the interest of length, I will combine them. You want a guy who isn't afraid of the moment. You want a guy who has the respect of the locker room even if he isn't a loud guy. You need a guy who is tough enough to stand in and make throws when pressured and a guy who can play through injuries.

*Pocket Awareness/Quick Release: I'll combine these, as well. Pocket awareness starts w/your pre-snap read and knowing where the pressure will probably come from. It also involves the ability to step-up in the pocket at the right time, or move to avoid guys while keeping your eyes downfield. A quick release is very important for obvious reasons.

*Arm strength: Everyone can throw the bomb, but you want a guy who can fit the ball into tight windows. The speed of NFL defenses has increased dramatically in the last 10-15 years. That speed has made arm strength more important than it was when my guy, Brian Sipe, played.

*Athleticism: Current rush packages are pretty sophisticated and you got huge men running 40 times that only WRs, CBs, and RBs ran back in the day. I want a guy who can avoid pressure and turn a negative play into a positive gain.

I am not thinking quite straight and probably forgot some things. Also, I combined several attributes and can go into more detail about them if anyone wants to discuss it.

As I was writing this, one guy kept popping into my head more than others. Anyone want to guess who it is?

able to make quick decisions and then the ability to get the ball where it's needed. everything else is gravy. The longer a QB stays in the SAME system the more he is likely to get faster. The more he sees and study defenses the more he gains the ability to find his open WR.

So find a quick thinker who has a decent arm and is accurate and leave him in the same system 2-3 plus years and you will most likely end up with a successful QB.

1. Read Defenses - Don't care if you can throw it 100 mph and knock a fly off a fence post, if you don't know where to throw it, you are useless.
2. Accuracy - Once you determine where to throw it, you have to be able to hit what you are aiming at.
3. Arm Strength - Being able to get it there quickly and being able to throw it through the wind is next.
4. Stay out of trouble. - This is pretty self-explanatory

I don't really care if he has speed as long as he is good within the pocket at avoiding pressure.

Absolutely, but they are the only team that is wrong about 85% of the time in the first round.

Alright, I thought my post was pretty good. I thought it was educational. Not one response. I wonder if people even read such posts or just gloss over posts that they can't criticize????

I asked this:



The answer was Big Ben, not that anyone cares. LOL

Big Ben.

It was a good post, I just never revisited the thread.

After reading your post, which followed Ed's, I thought we could close the thread.

Bamn, those two posts nailed it. Not that many of the others weren't good.

They gave me and anybody who was seriously thinking about the topic practically all the info they would need. They caused me to rack my brain about the topic.

The morphing/hybrid thing also got me thinking. Marino and Ben. Morph them what do you get: Big, can make accurate throws with linebackers draped around the waist, great throwers of the ball. Morph those two, what do you get? Bernie and Montana: The two most accurate throwers/passers of the ball of that era. Winners. Tough. Great leadership without rah rah. Brains. Heart. Morph those two, what do you get? Then, morph the two end results and ???

For years I had to read stuff like: "Ryan Mallet" "We might be able to get Jay Cutler"

Otto, Bernie, and a splash of Brian. 60 years, thats it. That orange helmet does something to quarterbacks. Most don't seem able to handle it. Jay Cutler, Mike Phipps ain't gonna cut it.

By the way, Diam, I was remiss in not telling you its good to see you back on the board.

Thanks for the kind words sir .... u may want to duck .. your in the minority on that one .. *L* ..

Thanks again for the kind words ..

It would really depend on the type of offense that we were running to what QB that I would want.

For Hue's offense, Big Ben would be a good choice. Wentz would have been a good choice too. A vertical type offense needs a QB with a big arm.

For Andy Reid's offense, Cody Kessler might be a great choice. Jared Goff would probably do well there as well.

I try not to get hung up on trying to find a guy of a certain type as much as how well they fit what we are doing.

Thanks. That was nice of you to say.

I just re-read my latest post and it comes across as fishing. I was in a weird mood last night. Sorry about that post.