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He's probably one of those backwoods militia type you were talking about.

Gotta love profiling.

It used to be the conservatives/Republicans that did almost all of the negative profiling. Pigs like Rush led the movement.

Now, times have changed and it's the libs/Democrats that spewing ignorant profiling more often than not.

I'm well aware of that.

If I were to hedge my bets, most on here would think I was a militia type.

I'm not.

Most on here would think I'm a hard ass. I'm not. (can be at certain times).

I'm surprised you didn't speak up for Swish when DoTD was calling Swish 'Saul Alinsky'. Quite frankly all these insults and broad generalizations between users is completely unacceptable. This was a rather calm cesspool before, but now this forum has become unreadable. It's a shame really. I'm not saying anything about you, Vers, besides that first sentence. I know you did not cause these fights.

I didn't see that comment about Swish. I only read parts of these threads on the EE forum. I usually get so irritated by the amount of hate, ignorance, and bias that I have to click off.

With that said........saying that about Swish is unacceptable. I disagree w/Swish on some of his points and agree w/others, but the guy cares. He walks what he talks. Stupid insults and profiling of Swish are off base.

I been thrashin' Libs since Moby Dick was a sardine.

Salty little fellow wasn't he...

Sounds like about every politician in American History.

Sounds like about every politician in American History.

I don't know all that much about Pence. I know he is
100 percent against abortion..... YEA
against the common core crap they are teaching in our schools...YEA
He is against illegal immigration.... YEA
He is skeptical of climate change.....YEA
He is all for the second amendment......YEA
Also from what I know so far I hate his stance on LGBT Rights....BOOOOOO

So what are your problems with him Swish?

Yea, him being anti-abortion is scary. He doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest. Come the hell on.

Him being a climant change skeptic is also scary. This falls into the realm of "I don't believe, but once something happens, I'm just gonna try and place blame on something else"

I don't like common core. I also don't like the fact that he yanked 53 million dollars from public schools in his state. You conveniently left that one out. Don't worry, I just reminded you.

His religious freedom bill is an absolute joke. One of the big reasons he didn't have a positive approval rating in his own state.

He wants to roll back a crap ton of EPA regulations.

But hey, if you're cool with screwing up the planet, then I guess you and the rest of the right got their guy.

Also, it's pretty hypocritical that you guys preached being anti-establishment........but then praise an pro-establishment guy.

He's been part of the problem, and will continue to be part of the establishment problem.

You guys railed on Hillary but didn't say anything about him taking political donations to pay for his mortgage, credit cards, car payments, and golf tournament fees.

And yea, damn near everything he's said about LBGT is freaking scary. It's scary bro, theres no other way to describe it.

I mean really bro?

Gay conversion camps? He can't be serious.

Every politician and president/VP has religious views. It's whatever.

But when you start going into Ted Cruz, and now mike pence nut case territory, that crap has got to stop.

Uh, Hillary was running for President while Pence was a tag along to Trump. Trump is not establishment.
Trumps views differ entirely from Pence, especially when it comes to LBGTQ. Trump feels strongly about ending partial birth abortion.

Pence is the very definition of establishment.

So why don't you just be honest. You only meant anti-establishment when it came to the president. You could care less about any other position being filled by pro-establishment guys.

It's scary for you maybe. What is scary for me is a President who approves of murdering innocent babies is over the top scary for me.



Once again scary for you but not for me as I don't buy into ALL of it either.



I couldn't post what I didn't know. I had no idea yanked 53 million from Public Schools. But I would be interested in finding out WHY. I may or may not agree with him on that.



I also knew nothing about this. However I just found an article that I have questions about. Which side is more upset about that bill?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-vp-pick-mike-pence-evangelicals-225623



I had no idea about that either. BUT if he wants to get ride of some of the STUPID EPA regs I am all for that
http://wastefraudandabuse.org/stupid-epa-regulations/



What's with this you guys preached? Did you hear me preach? I was asking about more info on Pence because I really don't know a whole hell of a lot about him. I never even heard of him till Trumped tagged him as his VP. You seemed to know more about him than I do so I was asking you to share what you know about him. You know to teach me something.



Once again I have no clue. I have never heard anything about this.



From what little I know so far we can agree 100 percent on this bro

Pence is establishment, yes. Trump was brilliant in bringing along an establishment guy to lessen peoples fears of his being to rogue. Much like Obama brought along Biden as the establishment white Senator to counter peoples fears of Obama's lack of experience and Minority status.

"Elections have consequences" and "I won."

- Barack Hussein Obama

Certain issues we are gonna naturally disagree on because of our ideology.

But at least you acknowledge that his crap against the LGBT is wrong. I guess that's something we can build on.

That's fine. Trump won fair and square. That doesn't mean I can't voice my displeasure with regards to his and Pence stances.

So trump is planning on throwing a trillion at our infrastructure.

While that's cool, I hope he doesn't plan on attacking the issue the way Japan and china has.

China has built all brand new buildings.....that are completely freaking empty.

Japan built new airports that nobody wanted.

So I hope this is properly managed. I don't know if we need a whole bunch of new things, but we need massive upgrades and repairs to our already existing structures. Not necessarily new ones.

Here's some numbers for u GM ... BRUTAL ...

Nationally blacks are 13% of the population yet have 33 - 37% of abortions depending on the study ...

Since 1973 estimates range from 16 - 19 million black babies have been aborted depending on the study ...

Pretty staggering numbers ...

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/nyc-more-black-babies-killed-abortion-born

NYC: More Black Babies Killed by Abortion Than Born

By Michael W. Chapman | February 20, 2014 | 11:31 AM EST


(AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) – In 2012, there were more black babies killed by abortion (31,328) in New York City than were born there (24,758), and the black children killed comprised 42.4% of the total number of abortions in the Big Apple, according to a report by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

The report is entitled, Summary of Vital Statistics 2012 The City of New York, Pregnancy Outcomes, and was prepared by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, Office of Vital Statistics. (See Pregnancy Outcomes NYC Health 2012.pdf)

Table 1 of the report presents the total number of live births, spontaneous terminations (miscarriages), and induced terminations (abortions) for women in different age brackets between 15 and 49 years of age. The table also breaks that data down by race – Hispanic, Asian and Pacific Islander, Non-Hispanic White, Non-Hispanic Black – and also by borough of residence: Manhattan, Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island.

The numbers show that in 2012, there were 31,328 induced terminations (abortions) among non-Hispanic black women in New York City. That same year, there were 24,758 live births for non-Hispanic black women in New York City. There were 6,570 more abortions than live births of black children.

In total, there were 73,815 abortions, which means the 31,328 black babies aborted comprised 42.4% of the total abortions.

For Hispanic women, there were 22,917 abortions in New York City in 2012, which is 31% of the total abortions.


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Black and Hispanic abortions combined, 54,245 babies, is 73% of the total abortions in the Big Apple in 2012.
The number of non-Hispanic white abortions was 9,704, and the number of Asian and Pacific Islander abortions was 4,493.

The total number of live births in New York City in 2012 for women ages 15-49 was 123,231. That is a rate of 14.8 live births per 1,000 women, which is the lowest rate since 1979, according to the report. In addition, the live birth rate (per 1,000 women) has declined 3.9% since 2003, when it was a 15.4 rate, states the report. (See Pregnancy Outcomes NYC Health 2012.pdf)

In addition, while there were 73,815 abortions in New York City in 2012, the rate of abortions per 1,000 women is down 8.6% since 2011, according to the report.

Although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have not published their abortion statistics for 2011 or 2012 yet, they do have data for 2010. (See Table 12.) In the CDC’s numbers, there were 38,574 black babies killed by abortion in New York City in 2010; Hispanic babies aborted, 27,112; white babies killed by abortion, 9,220; and “other” aborted, 5,368. The total abortions in New York City in 2010 “reported by known race/ethnicity” were 80,274, according to the CDC.

Pence's policies lead to a wonderful spike in the HIV epidemic in Indiana too. Instead of implementing an inexpensive needle exchange program like his constituents and the CDC wanted he waited...and waited... and waited...and then did it. Now the cost of the HIV outbreak and the subsequent costs of dealing with it FAR outweigh a few cheap needles.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/un...ffective-226759

Yea, they had a segment about that on 60 Minutes like two or three years back. It was one of the weirdest things ever... No one lived there, no one drove there. And it was a huge area.

I never suggested otherwise.

I think the idea of the Common Core is good...you have a 10th grade kid from Mississippi on the same curriculum as a 10th grade kid in California. However, how they have gone about it with even more tests, especially the Smarter Balanced is just stripping any creativity out of teaching and now teachers are teaching for tests. That isn't a good thing. I also agree with RocketO with respects to Pearson, another corporation getting so heavily involved in education and bed buddies with Washington DC on its implementation. I have no idea how many Pearson CEOs are Education specialists, majors or even ex-teachers but, I am willing to bet many have never spent a full day, week, month let alone year in a classroom. Especially not an inner city or high poverty one.

Regarding the push to hopefully get Electoral College to not vote for Trump or even an impeachment....I fear a Pence Presidency, just as I did with Cruz as much, if not more than, Trump. Again, I feel very strongly that religion has no place in US politics and we should be reminded that we have a "separation of church and state".

I am also worried when I see not only the nepotism surrounding Trump's appointments but also the criticism and accusations against a few key members and the extent of his family involvement. I mean some of his family were in on his meeting with Japan's PM. That seems unprecedented. But, maybe, just maybe Ivanka being next to Donald is a good thing. I have no idea where she stands or leans politically, morally, socially, spiritually but, she has always come across as sensible and classy. If she has her father's ear then maybe she help keep in check.

You know if you would ever read and understood just what Jefferson said then you would know ": "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

We have not made religion a law. Nobody has ever said you must be baptist, Catholic, Nazarene, Protestant, Morman, or Christian. Yet you and many other believe you should be able to "Prohibit the free exercise thereof"

I am talking when religious ideology either influences, determines or gets in the way of political or government decision making.

I have no issue with allowing you freedom to worship who and as you please...as long as you don't create laws stopping others from living the life THEY chose based on YOUR religious views. Pretty simple really.

So what you're saying is that the 15% of atheists in country get to dictate the laws, and the opinions of the other 85% don't matter, unless they happen to align with the atheists?

Take murder and abortion for example. Murder is illegal, because pretty much 99% of people think it's wrong, atheists included. But if 60% of people feel abortion is wrong, but most atheists don't, then the immediate argument will be "separation of church and state". It doesn't matter if it's the opinion of multiple different religious groups and even some atheists. If the majority of atheists feel it's okay, then we should just disregard the opinion of everyone else? Doesn't that sound a little like a theocracy?

The purpose of "Separation of Church and State" was to prevent a "Church of England" type scenario, where one specific flavor of religion dominated and all others were persecuted. It was never meant to silence anyone who happened to have a religion from having a say on laws.

Sure is really simple and I agree with it.

This is a great example as their is a certain small group of the population, a subsect of christians, who believe that abortions should be illegal. Many of these people are men, who can never have an abortion. But anyway, this small group believes we should end abortions. While 80% of the population believes in legal abortion. This subsection doesn't care about that though. That is why we have a separation of church and state. Because it doesn't allow certain religions to impose their law on the rest of the population.

Just to fact check a little for both Excl and CHS....
"When asked directly about the legality of abortion, 56% of U.S. adults say it should be legal in all or most cases, compared with 41% who say it should be illegal all or most of the time. In both cases, these figures have remained relatively stable for at least two decades."
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/27/5-facts-about-abortion/

Except for abortion.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

gallup is reliable enough.

Why in the hell do some of you insist that everybody who is against abortion is against it only if it's against their religion? Can't you see that many of us think killing innocent babies is just plain WRONG, just the way you see shaking a 2 month old baby to death is wrong, or leaving your two week old baby in a dumpster in the middle of the winter is wrong?

Well, those numbers are a lot different than this CNN poll from 2014 shows:

"Washington (CNN) – About one in four Americans say that abortion should be legal in all circumstances, one in five say abortion should always be illegal, and slightly over half the public thinks abortion should be legal in some, but not all, circumstances, according to a national poll released Thursday.

A CNN/ORC International survey also indicates that a majority opposes taxpayer money being used to pay for abortions for women who can't afford the procedure, with Americans split on whether women who receive government subsidies for health insurance should be able to get a plan that covers abortions."

CNN

Was just trying to put actual numbers out there. With supportive evidence. Numbers were being thrown about by posters. My only intent was to verify, and then clarify for everyone's info.
All good.

Yup.
Don't have one.
I won't either.

I've grown up with abortion being legal so I'm accustomed to it. That said, the government needs to make the final determination of when it's a life and when it isn't.

Right now you can abort a baby at a particular time in the pregnancy and not face legal consequences but if you kill a pregnant woman in a car accident at the same time in the pregnancy and be charged with two counts of manslaughter. That's not right. There needs to be a point where the baby counts as a life and where it doesn't. Or go all in or all out.