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Post game thoughts? What we're doing is a sin, not sport. Sending qb's out to be slaughtered. It's an absolute certainty that they will be injured. There's no entertainment value to watching this debacle. How anyone can pay money to see this is beyond rational thought. There's some pathological process going on in my brain that makes me keep coming back for more, when I know exactly what I'm in for.

It's your sense of honor and loyalty that's keeps you coming back. The desire to support your team even when you can easily predict the negative outcome is a powerful force to overcome.

Pittsburgh would have been blown-out by a half-way decent team today.

The Browns are so far away. I'm starting to question Hue Jackson's coaching abilities. The tackling, the blocking, the coverage. All terrible.

This is the worst team I have ever seen. Worse than any prior Browns team. Worse than the early Bucs. Worse than the Bungles. Worse than the Aints. Worse than the 0-16 Lions. No schemes, no game planning, poor play, atrocious tackling, horrible blocking, no disciplne, terrible talent, bad angles, always in position to absorb the worst hits, terrible field presence, awful coaching, terrible FO, ridiculous draft picks, stupid roster management, no improvement over time, awful QBs, and embarrassing performances week in and week out. But hey, give em time.

All they need is time. Time for the players to learn how to play. Time for the coaches to learn how to game plan and coach on game day. Time for the FO to learn how to evaluate talent, draft, and manage the roster. Time to get more mediocre to poor talent in here to learn how to play. Time to draft a #1 pick QB from the poorest QB class in years. And time to show the fan base that we ain't seen nothin yet.

I absolutely agree with this post. Our play selection is horrendous most of the time. Our pass protection can not hold up for long with them rushing 5-6-7 guys who are just pinning their ears back.

I think Hue underestimated the difficulty of being a head coach and the play caller. I have never been a fan of the HC calling the plays.

Throwing in the towel huh? What a Browns fan you are! Your're just like all the rest of us, but will call out all the negative posters on here. Get lost with your crap!!!!!!!

What are you talking about? I doubled up and am flying to the game against Cincy, and staying at a much better hotel.



When did you last go to a game, and where do you live.



Go away, kid.

Are you high? Or just clueless? The man is SAVING money by not spending it on this CRAP! That's right...I said CRAP. This team is NOT worth another hard earned cent earned by any of us. The construction of the team is an insult to Browns fans everywhere who are losing what little hope they have left of the franchise EVER becoming an NFL caliber team.

Someone mentioned Tampa Bay. Yes they started 0-26. But you know something? They went to the NFC Championship game two years after that start. Eventually they WON the Super Bowl.

Can you see this CRAP ever evolving into that? Because I can't. There is something seriously wrong in Cleveland with the football team. Call it whatever you want but something outside of our ability to understand continues to negatively affect it. A lot of us are sick and tired of this CRAP. And some of us are wising up and no longer wasting our time and hard earned money on this CRAP.

You want to waste your time and money? Your choice. Please stop criticizing rational people who value their time and money. This team is CRAP and deserves nothing more from any of us. Period.

quote above by the Beast:

"...something outside of our ability to understand continues to negatively affect it"

I agree 100%.

All these consecutive losing seasons. And this year is the worst.

It defies basic logic. There is something.

Some sort of explanation besides a few "bad breaks".

Correct. If they want to keep blitzing like that I would literally call slant, slant, slant, screen, screen, screen all day long. A couple of long or steady gains by that they would ideally back off. Of course this all depends on the offense being able to execute that. Sick of people blitzing and us not making them pay for it...

The right side of the offensive line.

If on one play, the right side of the offensive line does not have a tight end, and at the snap the right guard, (77) merges left to double team the nose, with the center...

and leaves the ENTIRE FREAKING RIGHT SIDE for just only Austin Paztor to hold off by himself

and that play is a fumble / defensive touchdown.


and they kick an extra point, and go to t.v. break, or whatever and kick off to you again, so your offense is right back out there

THEN WHY!!!

Why do the exact same thing on the very next snap, again, no tight end on the right side, the right guard merges left to double team the nose tackle along with the Center, and leave the only protection on the right side to Austin Paztor, one player...
IN which play the QB rushes forward..
( OH AFTER THE FREAKING 5 YARD DELAY OF GAME, THE QB RUSHES FOR 7 AND GETS BLASTED! harmful hit, blindsided, as a runner, so legal, )
.. gets blasted, and it's still 2nd and 10+ because the delay of game.

I dunno! Maybe change a formation, put someone in to block, go max protect,

I dunno, but to my untrained eye,
A pass protection breakdown of that magnitude, looks just about as oblivious as would if someone decided to not play a free safety and leave all the pass defense of one side of the field to one cornerback.

Often, people say we should blow it up and start over from scratch.

This is the first time since 99 I've ever seen this team totally blown up. And this is the result. Just really, really bad football.

The coaches deserve, bare minimum, 3 years before we really write out their gravestone. Do I actually think they will see the 3 years? At this point, I cannot imagine them being back next year with our dumbass owner. We shall see.

my thought is if you are 0-16, with the parity that is the NFL, you def. should lose your job, rebuild or not..that includes FO

When is the coach and Browns leadership put on the hot seat?
0-32?

0-48

j/c...

Not much to say. It's the same week in and out. Another loss. I'm not even emotional about it.

The Browns are a team that purposely lacks proven NFL talent in the short term. However, most concerning, the draft has bared no fruit. I struggle to see any true impact players on this team (Pryor is going to bolt unless they franchise him).

The Browns are going to get someone seriously injured with the OL and some schemes on offense that they continue to trot out there.

This is one hell of an experiment to witness.

And then when that QB we draft busts you and others will argue for another gimmicky spread offense QB because he looks good in shorts and can throw it 100 miles.

I really have no thought because I didnt bother watching one second of this game and that is sad compared to ten years ago when I was at training camp three times a week and at every game.

II have no lue what happened today, except for the final score

Most of these QB's are coming from the spread. It's damn near unavoidable.

Stop hating.

Browns might like a guy I REALLY alike in Mitch Trubisky.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns...2017-nfl-draft/

I have to ask a couple of questions, since I missed a lot of the game.

It was reported that we switched Safeties today, starting Reynolds and Kindred.(who I am on record as having really liked in the draft)

We gave up only 24 points today, but only 17 were against the defense. I know that the elements were tough for both teams, but wind usually doesn't bother Roethlisberger too much.

The defense stiffened, most times, allowing 3 FG and only 1 TD. (a play that I saw, and that ticked me off, with no time left, and a BS penalty that gave the Steelers another shot)

Anyway, how did Reynolds and Kindred play today?

I also wanted to know how people saw Kessler play? He didn't throw the ball much, but his stats actually look better than any QB on the field today. (except for that INT)

It looks like the Steelers being able to rely on their ground game made a huge difference today. Bell went 28/146 .... and our guys combined for a total of 13/33, including QB scrambles. It doesn't look like there were any huge plays,just a constant wearing down of the defense by Bell.

Thanks for any responses. I don't think that I can bear sitting down to watch the game.

*sigh* Well, just another loss. Yea us.

kessler played his worst game IMO ... held on to the ball way too long and was gun shy. Killed us offensively.

His deep ball leaves a lot to be desired, and Pitt was blitzing/jamming WRs forcing him to look beyond 5 yards. He couldn't do it.

I think they all overestimated the talent and Hue's ability to coach them up.

That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Between holding the ball too long and our putrid offensive line, Kessler should consider retiring after this year. The concussions are no joke. He can either carry a clipboard as a second stringer or keep playing (Hue still wants to prove he was right) and end up like Jim McMahon, minus the ring.

I remember during TC and during the first few games (remember all of the shifting on O, the fake punt, trick plays, etc) that Hue was almost arrogant about the looks our offense would give other teams. He was pretty sure of himself as a play caller.

Well, no more of that. We're way worse than he thought we would be. This is a trainwreck on both sides of the ball.

I made that point 6-7 years ago. If you want to see the future of the NFL, go watch HS football. All they play is the spread, so in turn, college football goes with what is handed to them. The good college coaches at the good programs factor all of their good players are 3 years and out. They can't spend 1-2 years trying to develop a guy to play a pro-set to have him play 1 year. The good HS players won't be interested in spending most of their college career learning how to play a pro-set. They will go where they can shine from day one.

Then these QBs get to the pro's and are put in a pro set and people wonder why they can't play well.

It is what it is. The NFL will have to do one of two things. They will have to form a developmental league and groom players for a few years, or they will have to take what is given to them and play a system that works for the player. They can't keep hammering a square peg in to a round hole. It's just never going to be a good fit.

which is why QBs like Mariota and Cam with such great talent/skill do struggle at first. but they also eventually make it.

Kessler could play for 3 straight years and probably never be better IMO.

1) Kindred played a lot better today. He was actually in position to make plays on the passing game, which in the past, he was always completely out of position. I still have hopes for Kindred. Reynolds to me is Poyer 2.o, but has a lil more pop on his tackles. He's not a starter tho.

2) Kessler is trash. His indecisiveness got him killed. There were obvious quick throws to be made, but then he'd back off and start doing the macarena in the pocket to get his head knocked off. He's scared to throw the ball.

Rather go to a Bucs game and check out that Pirate ship, eye mattie

Forget Tom Herman going to Texas. We should throw as much money at him as he wants to be our OC. Let Hue be the big picture motivator, but his playcalling has been questionable. Apparently he was better at adding to someone else's offense than completely developing his own from ground zero. That would probably be true for anyone, but I expected more from the O. I'm sure it is rough when you've got a QB carousel with the guy who got the reps in camp going down right away. Still, it's been one amongst many disappointments this season.

YTown, I do think Kindred played better in coverage today, but I'm still not sure he played well there. Reynolds had a few good sticks. Wind seemed to give us a couple extra seconds to get there.

The secondary's biggest problem was Big Ben had a lot of time to wait for things to develop and made a couple of crazy throws the few times he felt pressure.

I'm against getting rid of the coaches on principle, but if it meant going to the 4-3 I'd be okay with Horton being the sacrificial lamb. Garrett, Shelton, Cooper, Ogbah in an attacking 4-3 with Holmes and Nassib rotating on the ends I'd think would bring more pressure.

We'd still need corners and safeties, but Collins at SAM, DD in the middle, and Kirksey at Will I'd think could work at LB.

Team got beat in every way today, you got punched in the mouth over and over and just took it.

Why would Pryor stay after this year he is a FA and its not like we are gonna open the bank for him. Play for KC on Minn and have a playoff shot

Erving is a joke total draft bust, shocker

Still have no QB , Kessler is a smaller version of Josh , plays reckless, tough but takes a pounding

No QB would survive behind this O line and 1 target to throw to. Remember Barnidge fell off the earth fast. we get these tight ends they have one solid year then poof gone, see Jordon Cameron

( Hurt alot I know)

The NFL was at a am all time low yesterday, missed extra points galore, the weekly seas of yellow and just boring games all around. Catch that epic tilt between Cinn and Buff Blahhhhhhhh!!!!. Most of the games we 15 to 12 or how bout Goff lighting it up vs Miami. Flipped to 90 day fiance marathon and had a better time.

--Kessler did a poor job in many areas. He held the ball too long. He was so indecisive. He kept pulling it down, seemingly afraid to pull the trigger. He did not audible when it was apparent the Steelers had overloaded one side of the defense. No hot reads. No sight adjustments. Floating the ball way up in the air. Could have been picked a couple of more times at least.

--Erving causes my blood pressure to rise. How does he not see these guys crossing his face? He doubles and then ignores the stunt. His mouth is wide open. And who is making the line calls? He's terrible!

--Our defense could not stop Bell. He carved them up. Steelers had a lot of long, time-consuming drives. The D did stiffen in the red zone and I believe only gave up one TD. McCown fumbled for the other TD.

--Speaking of McCown. Man, that was bad. He wasn't setting his feet and the ball was off target. Forced the ball into coverage. Led his receivers into big hits. Yikes!

--It upsets me that so many people are already blaming the coaching staff for the Brown's problems. Before the season, I tried telling some of you that this would happen because the team was so devoid of talent. You didn't want to hear it. Now, it's a coaching problem. I yi yi yi....

--Coleman comes across like a punk. Always quick to get into a scrape w/the db, but yet, he drops multiple passes. Shut up, catch the ball, and stay healthy.

--Speaking of the draft...........did we draft one impact player or do we have a bunch of guys?

--I do not think the plan is going to work. This team will continue to lose games this year and next and already people are rumbling about Hue and the coaching staff. They will take the blame for the FO's dumb-ass plan and this team will not get better by replacing the coaches. Instead, it will only prolong the misery.

Awful.,, Just awful

Cleveland Browns Postgame Scribbles: Terrelle Pryor staying and what about offensive line? -- Terry Pluto (photos)


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By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
November 21, 2016 at 5:37 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Scribbles on a cold Sunday after the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Cleveland Browns at FirstEnergy Stadium, 24-9:

1. Starting with something good -- Terrelle Pryor. The former Ohio State quarterback can become a Pro Bowl receiver. You can see it in the plays he makes nearly every week. He had five catches for 94 yards. On three of them, he physically overpowered the defensive back to create room and make a catch.

2. Not only do I love Pryor's athleticism, I appreciate his toughness -- mental and physical. This is the kind of season that tests the character of an athlete. Pryor competes each week. He desperately wants to win a game. It's been impressive. He's caught a team-high 56 passes this season, including four touchdowns.

3. What new Browns player has performed like a first-round draft pick? It's Pryor. He is not a rookie. In fact, he is a free agent. The Browns must find a way to sign him to a long-term deal.

4. After the game, Pryor said this about his future: "I love playing for Hue Jackson. I love playing for Jimmy Haslam. He is a great owner. They have given us one of the best facilities. They want to win. I don't believe in taking the easy road and going to a team just because they are great. I would rather start how we are and then build it into an empire."

5. Sounds good, but we'll see how it goes when his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, talks with the Browns.

6. No criticism this week from me of Ray Horton's defense. Not that it was great. But the defense only allowed 17 points. The other seven Steeler points came when Browns quarterback Josh McCown fumbled and Pittsburgh recovered the loose ball in the end zone.

7. The defense had problems. The Steelers Le'Veon Bell rushed for 146 yards and caught eight passes. Pittsburgh put on a clinic of how to win a game on a frigid, windy day. The Steelers ran the ball well. Ben Roethlisberger made mostly short and medium throws. The Steelers had several long drives.

8. That said, the defense did not cost the Browns the game. In the last three games, the Browns have scored 10-7-9 points. The offense has lost some of the confidence it had early in the season. Cody Kessler started the last three games. He's out with a concussion, his second of the season. He could be out for the rest of the year. So it probably will be McCown starting next week.

9. Pittsburgh entered this game with only 13 sacks for 76 yards all season. The Steelers defense ranked 25th, so this was not the usual Steelers. But they were against the Browns, piling up eight sacks for 70 yards.

10. The offensive line has problems. It was obvious center Cameron Erving continues to struggle, be it blocking or calling out blocking schemes. On several of the sacks, the quarterbacks held the ball far too long.

11. The only starters from last year's offensive line playing for the Browns this season are John Greco and Joe Thomas. Free agents Alex Mack (Atlanta) and Mitchell Schwartz (Kansas City) signed elsewhere. Guard Joel Bitonio has been out since the fifth game of the season with a foot injury, and he's not expected to play in 2016. He is a very good blocker.

12. So the line has had big problems, lacking both experience and talent in some spots. I know the Browns want to see Erving play center to find out if the 2015 first-rounder can handle the job. But he seems so overwhelmed in too many situations. They perform better with Greco at center.

13. Another issue with the offensive line is run-blocking. Early in the season, the Browns had a good running game. Bitonio was playing, and that helped. But it has been weeks since the Browns have had anything of note on the ground.

14. In Sunday's loss, Isaiah Crowell had only 10 yards rushing in eight carries. In five of their last seven games, the Browns have fewer than 50 yards rushing. They averaged 154 yards rushing in their first four games.

15. Joe Thomas talked about how the Browns "have not been on the same page enough." He was referring to some confusion when it comes to blocking. "It's the line getting against the guys we want to be on," he said. "It's the running backs knowing who they are blocking. It's the quarterbacks understanding who we are blocking and readjusting the protection."

16. When Cody Parkey missed an extra point in the Browns game, it was the ninth miss by an NFL kicker on Sunday. Former Brown Phil Dawson has missed only nine extra points in his 18-year career. Now with San Francisco, the 41-year-old Dawson is 20-of-20 on extra points this season -- and 13-of-14 on field goals.

17. The defense received some good performances from Danny Shelton, Jamie Collins, Chris Kirksey, Brien Boddy-Calhoun and Ed Reynolds. But they still failed to sack Roethlisberger, nor could they force a turnover. Those are the big plays needed to change a game.

Peen can defend himself, but you do realize he drives up from Tennessee for each game?!? He and I over the years have tried GIVING tickets away to home games on this website and can't even do that most of the time. I too "threw in the towel" on going to games this year - I'll still watch them, but I'm sure not wasting my entire Sunday driving to/from Cleveland to attend this crapfest.