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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/doj-fi...article/2607940

DOJ fines Denver Sheriff Dept. for excluding noncitizens when hiring

The Denver Sheriff Department will accept a penalty from the Department of Justice after a federal probe found it wrongly made U.S. citizenship a job requirement during a recent hiring spree.

The sheriff's department — the biggest sheriff's office in Colorado — will pay a $10,000 fine after it required applications for deputy sheriff jobs to be U.S. citizens when hiring from the beginning of 2015 through March 2016. The department went on a hiring spree of 200 deputies as part of its ongoing reform.

The department will also have to go through old applications to find applicants who were eliminated because of their citizenship status and reconsider them for future jobs.

The Justice Department made the announcement on Monday, saying the sheriff's department violated the Immigration and Nationality Act without having an exemption.

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As part of the settlement with the federal government, the Denver sheriff's department will also have to train its human resources staff on the Immigration and Nationality Act's anti-discrimination provisions. It will also review its policies to make sure they are in compliance with those provisions.

"Eliminating this unlawful citizenship requirement will help ensure that the Denver Sheriff Department hires the best and most qualified individuals to protect and serve. The entire community will benefit from these reforms," said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta, head of the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, in a statement.

The Denver Sheriff Department is a different entity than the Denver Police Department, which received more than $130,000 from the DOJ last year for its police body-worn camera program.

It makes sense in America while the Left is still running things.
Change to come.

This makes a lot of sense, but that depends on a major issue.

That issue being: does the sheriffs department require their employees to have security clearances?

Unless special circumstances apply, only US citizens can get security clearances.

But if that's not a requirement for the job, then they cant discriminate based off citizenship status.

Just like the military. Foreign nationals can join the military, but have to be a citizen in order to do MOS's that require a security clearance.

So looks like this makes a ton of sense.

Deputy Sheriff must, at the time of application:

Be at least 21 years of age,
Have a High School Diploma or a General Equivalency Diploma (GED),
Be a United States Citizen,
Possess a valid Colorado Class “R” drivers license
Prior to appointment as a Denver Deputy Sheriff, the Applicant must pass:

Completion of City Application
Written Exam
Integrity Interview
Background Investigation
Polygraph Examination
Psychological Exam and Interview
Physical Fitness Exam
Medical Examination for hearing and vision

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Thanks for that.

So, no clearance is required.

Is there other police departments that haven't been fined by the DoJ that require citizenship?

*L* ... why would i expect anything different from U ...

Why would people being here LEGALLY enter into the convo ...

Its a shame oBUMa never realized what country he was the president of ... My guess is he used the job description as toilet paper, just like he did with the constition ...

Obviously it's illegal, but police departments have a really hard time hiring people. However, the law is the law.

You're being absolutely ridiculous right now.

This has nothing do with hiring an illegal.

Green card holders aren't illegals, and the DOJ isn't forcing them to hire any illegals.

You saw the "DOJ" and "citizenship" and got #triggered.

When your right ... your right ... it was bound to happen at some point ... *L* ..

Thanks for pointing that out ...

Green card holders aren't illegals ... your correct about that ....

I have no clue ... and i don't feel like googling it (deciding witch bottle to open today ... its almost 10 and i haven't had my first drink yet .... *L*) ...

Are green card holders citizens? ... if not, then this still makes no sense ...

I did get triggered and immediately went to illegals ... your right about that ...

Now, what is the citizenship status of green card holders ... cause if there not citizens .. its still a BS fine ...

Green card holders are foreign nationals who are given permanent legal status within the US, to remain and work in the US. They are still citizens of their home countries, and are not US citizens unless they go through the process of becoming a citizen.

Why is it a BS fine?

Green card holders aren't US citizens, but they aren't illegals. They are allowed to work.

The department illegally made a requirement for applicants to be US citizens.

Do something illegal, get fined.

Seems the system worked.

I agree with this. If a person with a green card has the right to apply, then that's the law.

I think you could make an argument that one should have to be a US Citizen in order to work in law enforcement but as long as the law says that it's not a requirement, they should abide by the law or face the fine.

I never really gave it much thought and to be honest I just assumed it was already that way. If we already allow non-citizens to enter the military and they are good enough to die for us, I see no justification to keep them out of our protective forces.

I'm with swish... I think if you are here legally and meet other requirements you can't be discriminated just because you're a foreign citizen... as others have said there are several ways people can be here legally but not a citizen - I recently hired someone on a work visa.

Now if you look at their resume and hey don't meet the requirements or you bring them in and there are more qualified candidates that's a different story...

Are you familiar with work visas? It's a legal way for people to work here, apply for the citizenship process, but still work in America.

I will withhold judgement until we see what happens when a foreign citizen sheriff's deputy shoots a Black man at a traffic stop.

Crap meet Fan.

....what?

Where is that coming from? You, Diam, and Arch crap me up all the time lol

Face reality and quit bawlin.

The reality is that your comment came way out of left field. I'm still laughing over here. That was good.

Twice in the same thread .... your right again ...

My problem's with the system ... hopefully Trump changes it ...

Man that man has alot of work to do ...

So in this particular case, you don't want green card holders to be able to work?

Just my 2 cents.

To me law enforcement or really any position of power that dictates how America is run should require US citizenship.

Not in law enforcement ... NO ...

Personally with our unemployment (the true #) rate ... i hope he revokes them all ..

Sorry ... I like to take care of AMERICANS before I start taking care of the rest of the world ...

One of the big differences between U and I is our view of what this country should be ... IMO our govt's first responsibility is to take care of US CITIZENS first ... then if we can do it RESPONSIBLY we can take care of the rest of the world ...

So, foreign nationals are good enough to go combat overseas and serve this country, but not good enough to protect their local communities?

you're right, we have two totally different views. and we will never see eye to eye.

Young men in America are mature enough to go fight for our Nation but are not mature enough to legally drink.

No .. they shouldn't be able to go fight for our country either ... another thing I hope Trump takes care of ...

U want to take care of the world BEFORE u take care of the USA ....

For the third time in this thread ... your right ... but we all ready new this one ....

U and I will never see eye to eye ... problem is .. i have to live in the financially irresponsible, unsafe country U and oBUMa have created ....

And I've never understood that. You can trust a kid out of high school to use an assault rifle, but he can't drink?

Yep, just like you can trust a foreigner to fight for America but you shouldn't trust a foreigner to uphold the US Constitution as a law enforcement officer.

So wait a minute..

A non-citizen can be a U.S. cop?

I...I...I'm beside myself...

And we're both confused.

Who came up with this bunk?

Can felony sexual assault offenders be kindergarten teachers in Colorado?

I mean, you know, if they're "rehabilitated".

A U.S. Cop, like an FBI agent? No, you have to be a citizen to be an FBI agent.



http://www.fbiagentedu.org/fbi-requirements/

Thanks.


But, thanks for this:

See, in my initial reading of the article I thought "this is crazy", because I was thinking of illegals being granted the right to work for the sheriff department.

Your explanation makes sense.

Not yet ,,, at the rate Colorodo's going i'm sure the kindergartener's will be able to get high in class soon ... they just passed a bill allowing folks to get high in some public places including BARS ... how BRILIANT is that ... ...

I'll be back in a minute about felons ... this one's a real buet also ..

Man some of you guys really dislike people who come from another country.

I don't see why you wouldn't want foreigners in our law enforcement or military.

Some amazing people I served with got their citizenship while deployed. It's one of the greatest honors one could accomplish.

It's also what makes our country great.

Some of you guys sound.....like really mean people.

Yeah, states rights and the will of the voters sucks. lol

U gotta love this one ... commit a felony and get preference over law abiding folks cause your a minority ... sounds pretty fair to me ... ...

http://nypost.com/2016/11/19/fdny-hires-nine-ex-felons-amid-efforts-to-boost-diversity/

The newly-minted class of FDNY probationary firefighters includes an unprecedented nine rookie Bravest with felony convictions, including one who did jail time for gun possession, insiders told The Post.

The nine ex-felons, all minorities, were among 295 probies who graduated from the Fire Academy on Nov. 2, as critics charge the FDNY has loosened hiring standards to diversify its ranks.

One of the nine, a black 32-year-old who joined the city as an EMT in 2012, served more than a year in the Nassau County Correctional Center after two 2005 convictions for carrying loaded guns.

At age 20, he was busted twice in Long Island — once after a cop found a .38-caliber revolver in a car he was riding in, and again with a 9mm pistol in his car’s seat-back pocket. He pled guilty to two counts of criminal weapon possession, one a felony.

Five years later, a 2009 probation report said cops described the ex-felon as “‘not a bad kid,’ but one who associated with known gang members.” He admitted he’d been friendly with gang members, but denied ever being a member himself.

At that time, he was living with his fiancee’ and their newborn baby while supporting another child. “He shows signs of maturity and responsibility,” the probation report said. He held jobs, volunteered for a local fire department and took EMT classes.

In 2007 and 2010, however, Nassau County judges refused to grant him a “certificate of relief from disabilities,” which lifts an automatic bar against employment of people with one felony. The reasons cited: He had failed to cooperate in an investigation and to keep probation appointments.

In 2015, however, he received a “certificate of good conduct” from the state Corrections Department. The certificate is granted to people convicted of two or more felonies who have stayed clean for three to five years, or those with any criminal records seeking “public office,” which includes firefighter jobs, experts said.

‘I agree that people deserve a second chance, but how far are we going to go?’
The FDNY confirmed that ex-felons with such certificates can be considered for firefighting positions. A spokesman would not comment on individuals.

Some FDNY members are alarmed at the ex-con influx.

“I agree that people deserve a second chance, but how far are we going to go?” one FDNY veteran asked.

Sebastian Solomon, director of the Legal Action Center, which helps ex-cons seek good-conduct certificates, said they are potential heroes.

“This is an inherently risky profession with a challenging application process. Anyone willing to go through that process must be motivated to help others,” Solomon argued. “We just believe that they need to be judged on their merits as individuals, and not eliminated from contention solely on the basis of their record.”

The crop of ex-felons comes in the wake of a federal lawsuit by the Vulcan Society of black firefighters. In 2014, the city agreed to pay $98 million to candidates passed over because of alleged racial bias.

Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro said the latest firefighter class, with 22.3 percent identified as Hispanic and 15.5 percent as black, “reflects the growing diversity of our department.”

Wanting americans to get military or law enforcement jobs makes me mean? .. OK ....

Again ... I'm an AMERICAN first and foremost ... your a GLOBSLIST first and foremost ...

I think that makes me SMART ... u can define it any way u like ...

Calling us AMERICA first folks mean is just another INSULT .... whats new ...

I could care less .. i don't live in Colorodo .. i hated my liberal ass state so i moved out ... didn't whine, didn't cry ... just packed up and moved out ...

Mixing booze and weed in a public place ... BRILLIANT ... and what an example for the kids ... i can see it now ..

Hey ma, can i go to yoga with u so i can get a contact high ...

Wonder what insult swish will hurl my way this time ... *L* ...

Well the military is volunteer. Just like the police force, you can't force people to join who don't want to be there in the first place.

Regardless of my feelings on the state of law enforcement, Joining the service or police department is one of the most American things one can do.

Maybe if more Americans signed up, you wouldn't have to worry about foreigners filling the ranks in the first place.

And even still, your view is still odd, to be polite.

So don't be mad st foreigners trying to create their own American dream. Maybe you should be mad at your fellow citizens for not taking advantage of the opportunity.

Anyway, not my problem. Glad the DOJ fined them illegal practice. Time to move on.

Ya .... its time to move on since you just threw out some more BS ...

I will admit it has been an unusual day .. you were right twice today ... thats two more times than usual .. and u are being extremely polite ... even when u insulted me u did it classy ...

Good for U ... hopefully its a new leaf ... if u do it again tomorrow ... i'll be polite when i insult u also ...

Anyhow ... last i looked ... the military was LAYING OFF 25 - 50k ... can't remember the exact number ... easy enough to find i would imagine ...

Once again ... u want AMERICAN JOBS filled with NON CITIZENS ...

I'm an AMERICAN FIRST and your a GLOBALIST FIRST ...