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I've seen a couple people have Rudolph as the top Qb and being taken in the top 5 picks.


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I watched Rudolph on draftbreakdown vs pitt

He is definitely a not afraid to throw the ball deep. But I am not a fan (from watching one game). He kinda shot puts the ball. Didn't impress me.

I still like Davis Webb the best.


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Watched Trubisky vs Miami
He Definitely has a strong arm
I don't think his accuracy is what people are making it out to be.
The UNC offense is really simple.
IMO, He is going to need 3-4 years to develop


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I watched multiple videos of Rudolph. I did so because he had good size and big numbers. I was hopeful, but man, he is so damn inaccurate. He missed more throws than I could count. I finally had to turn one of them off.

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Two guys I really like in the mid rounds are Jordan Willis of Kansas State and Ejuan Price of Pittsburgh.

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FWIW ... Quinn and Clausen have told him he should go pro ...

I forgot about Wimbush ... that may change his outlook .. not sure what not being able to beat out Brandon would do to his draft slot .. it certainly wouldn't improve it .. hell, this year his draft stock has gone down ... he's been BRUTAL .....

Zaire STINKS ... he can't hit the broad side of a barn ... Wimbush has a CANNON and can run as well as Kizer ... if Wimbush is accurate at all .. that would make things very interesting ... maybe Kizer will be basically forced to come out ...

If he does .. he is NO WHERES NEAR READY .. he needs at least a year .. crap .. he can't even handle the college game at this point .. he'll be in so far over his head his first 2 or 3 years .. if he goes in the 1st round, it will just show how desperate NFL teams are for QB's ...

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SOUTH BEND – DeShone Kizer is in no rush to think or talk about the NFL. That's his story and he's sticking to it.

The Notre Dame quarterback, who is a projected first-round pick on various 2017 mock NFL draft boards, said Wednesday he has not yet made a decision about going pro.

"You know, at this point, I'm so focused on doing whatever I can to get us to a position to be bowl eligible," he said. "I haven't really put the time and thought needed to make a decision. I know that there will be an opportunity for me to play at the next level, whether or not it would be first round, second round, third round, we have no idea. Once again, I haven't informed myself enough to make a good decision."

This came up when Kizer, who is a redshirt sophomore and therefore has two years of eligibility remaining, was asked about the quarterback competition for next season. If he were to return, there would be a three-way battle among Kizer, senior-to-be Malik Zaire and redshirt sophomore-to-be Brandon Wimbush, who is sitting out this season to get back the redshirt he burned after Zaire broke his ankle in 2015.

Kizer began discussing what a three-man competition would be like, assuming he would still be at Notre Dame.

"I don't know if anyone has ever had a situation where there's three guys as qualified as we are to go out and compete to start," Kizer said. "I think that with my experiences playing the last two years that I'll have the ability to look back on some game stuff that they really haven't. But at the same time, as far as throwing the ball and understanding where we are, there's going to be three true veterans who know what Notre Dame football looks like, so the competition is going to be great.

"Brandon has a really live arm. Malik we know is a very good quarterback, and then with me and my experience, it's going to be a very interesting offseason."

The deadline for underclassmen to declare for the draft isn't until mid-January, so Kizer still has plenty of time to make a final decision. But he has already been encouraged to leave by former Fighting Irish QB Jimmy Clausen. Following Notre Dame's loss to Stanford when coach Brian Kelly yanked Kizer out of the game after he threw consecutive interceptions, Clausen tweeted that Kizer should enter the draft early.

Kizer ranks 23rd nationally with a 149.50 passer rating, which is one spot behind Ohio State's J.T. Barrett, and is completing 60.4 percent of his passes.

Kelly said a few weeks ago that he and Kizer had a conversation about the draft before the season began and agreed to not let it affect his preparation. Kizer appears to be staying true to that by not budging even a little on the topic. When asked if the successes and failures of a 3-6 season would help inform his decision, he remained firm.

"Once again, I haven't talked to my parents enough to really evaluate that," Kizer said. "I'd say that I wouldn't even accept this question if we were 9-0 and preparing for a national championship, so I think that is one part of it. But at the same time, it's an experience that I'll definitely look back on later down the road that will definitely help me out and teach me truly how to appreciate the wins that we get. Whatever comes next year comes next year, but for now, I'm just really focused in on whatever it takes to beat Army."




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6. S Jabrill Peppers, Michigan*

Get ready for the hype to be off the charts. He’s going to work at linebacker, he’s got the speed to be a corner, and he’s an NFL dream safety with 6-1, 208-pound size and perennial Pro Bowl upside. Can he hone his skills at one spot to be everything he’s supposed to become at the next level? Don’t worry about it – he’s a rare talent who’ll be a cornerstone of a defense.

1. DE Myles Garrett, Texas A&M*

With an All-America track star mom, a world-class track star sister, and an NBA brother, Garrett is more than used to being around special athletic talent. But no one in his family was the No. 1 pick in the draft.

Quarterbacks are almost always going to get taken ahead of the star defensive end if all things are equal, but if Deshaun Watson, Brad Kaaya, or any of the new hot prospect of next year slip in any way, Garrett could be the easy must-have at the top spot.

At 6-5 and 262 pounds with the shot-out-of-a-cannon first step and freakish closing ability, he could be the best pass rusher to come into the league since fellow Aggie Von Miller – but Garrett is bigger.

It’s going to be a fun year with all the defensive awards on the table and even some talking Heisman if he’s as unstoppable as expected. But the real prize will come with a Roger Goodell hug next April, followed up by a whole lot of money.

9. CB Jalen Tabor, Florida*

No, he’s not better than Vernon Hargreaves, but he might be a stronger prospect than Keanu Neal – both went in the first round of the 2016 Draft. The key will be speed hovering around the high 4.5s – at least until he gets a shot to prove himself officially. But at 6-1 and 188 pounds, he’s got the size to look the part.

10. DE Derek Barnett, Tennessee*

It would be nice if he was just a wee bit bigger, but the 6-3, 257-pounder is a whale of a tweener and with pure pass rushing skills coming up with ten sacks in each of his first two seasons. Not just a one-trick guy, he holds up well against the run, too, but he’s more likely an outside linebacker or a hybrid at the next level.

12. LB Raekwon McMillan, Ohio State*

Exactly what you want for an inside linebacker, he’s a 6-2, 240-pound big-hitter with tremendous range. He’s always around the ball with the quickness and smarts to always be in the right position. The defense might be rebuilding a bit, but he’s the leader now.

14. S Jamal Adams, LSU*

6-2, 211 pounds and with 4.4 speed, he’s got all the NFL tools and the game to go with it. Not a shy tackler and a dangerous all-around playmaker, he’s going to blow up in the new LSU defensive style and could turn into a must-have top ten pick next April if all goes according to plan.

17. DT Malik McDowell, Michigan State*

He still has to prove himself as a star to work a line around, but he’s not far off. The 6-6, 280-pound former super-recruit can work anywhere up front as a 4-3 tackle or a 3-4 end, and he’ll be moved around wherever needed.

16. CB Tre’Davious White, LSU

An almost certain first rounder had he come out this season, or at least a top 50 pick, he has 5-11, 191-pound size and the veteran playmaking ability to step in right away. Throw in the sub-4.4 speed, and he’s what NFL teams are looking for.

15. S Quin Blanding, Virginia*

An ideal-sized safety, the 6-2, 205-pounder has the pop missing from most of the safeties going in the 2016 Draft, and he’s more than fine when the ball is in the air. With 238 tackles in his first two seasons, he’s like another linebacker.

26. DT Davon Godchaux, LSU

His stock is about to go through the roof in Dave Aranda’s 3-4 defense. A tweener who’ll be a strong 3-technique end, turn him loose and watch him dominate the interior.

25. DE Carl Lawson, Auburn

Now that he’s back and healthy after suffering a hip injury, he’s about to destroy SEC backfields. While it would be nice if he was a wee bit taller, the 6-2, 257-pound tweener is an NFL-caliber pass rusher.

24. DE Charles Harris, Missouri*

The 6-3, 255-pounder is the next great Tiger pass rusher to come out of the defensive end factory. He just started to scratch the surface last season with seven sacks and 18.5 tackles for loss, and now he’ll be the next Shane Ray, Kony Ealy and Aldon Smith.

23. DT Jonathan Allen, Alabama

A likely first-rounder if he came out for the 2016 NFL Draft, the 6-3, 294-pounder is the lone returning starter to the epic national championship front three. However, considering A’Shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed slid out of the first round, Allen might have made the right move.

https://campusinsiders.com/news/top-2017-nfl-draft-prospects-05-01-2016/

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Gotta get this guy! Sell a [censored]-load of his jerseys!


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i'm really warming up to the idea of Allen/Shelton


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i'm really warming up to the idea of Allen/Shelton

I'm pretty much fully aboard with this idea. I think there are more edge rushers than linemen in this draft. I think this year the defensive secondary and edge rushers both have some really deep prospects. Although you cannot go wrong with either of the top 2 guys.

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i'm really warming up to the idea of Allen/Shelton


Me too.

With all the pass rushers we drafted last season, do we need to even spend picks on another?

Shelton/Allen with Collins and Ogbah outside sounds good to me.


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I always catch myself thinking that too. But his size and speed, when he decides he wants to use both, are just magic to watch. It's dangerous.

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i'm really warming up to the idea of Allen/Shelton


Me too.

With all the pass rushers we drafted last season, do we need to even spend picks on another?

Shelton/Allen with Collins and Ogbah outside sounds good to me.


We can't really go wrong with either.

Of course that means we will draft a crappy QB.

I prefer Garrett, but I don't really care at this point. Just get good players.

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Jamal Adams, the S from LSU is a guy I really like. He's very versatile. He can hit like a LBer, blitz effectively, hit hard like a SS, and cover like a decent CB. I like him w/our second first round pick.

Here is a pre-season report on him:

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Top NFL Draft Prospects: LSU's Jamal Adams is Honey Badger 2.0
The ballhawking star in LSU's secondary could get picked before Leonard Fournette
by Rob Rang

In preparation for the 2017 football season, NFLDraftScout.com will profile the top NFL draft-eligible prospects with a different player profile each day. The series will culminate with the preseason top-20 prospects in August.

Freakish junior running back Leonard Fournette is arguably the elite talent in all of college football so it goes without saying that he is going to dominate the coverage involving LSU football this season.
But the Tigers boast another likely top-10 pick on defense in fellow junior Jamal Adams, an instinctive and hard-hitting safety already drawing comparisons by some close to the program to former LSU (and current NFL star) Tyrann Mathieu.

And while earning comparisons to the great Honey Badger is quite the compliment, frankly, it isn't enough. At six-foot, 211 pounds, Adams is considerably bigger than the 5-foot-9, 186 pound Arizona Cardinals standout and is a much cleaner prospect off the field than Mathieu was at LSU, as well. Whereas Mathieu's repeated failed drug tests led to his suspension from LSU and his slip on draft day, the folks at LSU can't speak highly enough about Adams, who was the first player of the Les Miles era to ever be named a team captain for a game (Louisiana-Monroe) as a true freshman.

The awareness, physicality, agility and natural playmaking skills, however, are all there with Adams and -- in part because of Mathieu -- NFL teams are placing greater value on the position than ever before. It is possible that with another terrific season, Adams and not Fournette could wind up being the highest-drafted player from LSU next spring -- assuming, of course, the true juniors elect to enter the draft early as most anticipate.

The son of former New York Giants' first round pick George Adams (No. 19 overall, 1985) and a dynamic all-purpose threat in high school, Adams signed with LSU amid great fanfare. He only started two games for the Tigers in 2014 but this is misleading as he was a critical part of LSU's nickel package, seeing action in all 13 games. Adams finished the season with 66 tackles, including five tackles for loss (including a sack) and five pass breakups, earning Freshman All-American honors. Of these stops, 10 came on special teams.

Though his tackles numbers were similar last year as a sophomore (67), Adams emerged as a ballhawk, creating six turnovers with four interceptions and both a forced and recovered fumble. Adams also registered another five tackles for loss and six pass breakups.

Bent at the knees and eagerly inching forward towards the line of scrimmage pre-snap similar to the way centerfielders on the baseball diamond anticipate the ball being hit, Adams shows rare key and diagnosis skills. He is hyper-aggressive in run support, flying upfield and slipping past blockers to provide the Tigers with almost another linebacker at the point of attack. Belying his lack of starting experience, Adams shows impressive awareness to sniff out misdirection and is a terrific open-field tackler.


Unlike most defenders with his seemingly reckless, kamikaze style of play, Adams never seems out of control. He plays on the balls of his feet and has the flexible joints to change directions and accelerate fluidly. Already possessing good size for the position, Adams plays even bigger than he looks, offering an explosive pop on contact with most of his stops. Better yet, he is also capable of dropping low to take out the legs of ball-carriers threatening to turn the corner.

Put simply, Adams has a large strike zone and he doesn't miss often.

Mathieu, I mean Adams, is just as instinctive in coverage. His easy athleticism allows him to drop down and play nickel corner, covering slot receivers while keeping his eyes on the quarterback. Adams shows excellent route anticipation, breaking on underneath routes before some of the receivers he's tasked with covering. Quarterbacks rarely challenge him but Adams gets involved in plays anyway by dropping his primary coverage responsibilities once the pass is thrown in a mad (but controlled) dash towards the ball.

Finding relative weaknesses to Adams' game is difficult. He is slightly smaller than scouts would prefer at the position and has been supported by quality cover corners on the outside throughout his time at LSU. He shows great trust in his teammates, sacrificing himself to funnel ball-carriers back inside towards the rest of the defense rather than attempting to make every tackle on his own. In doing this, however, Adams appears to take very risky angles to the ball and can lose sight of it, at times. Often put in a position to "shadow" mobile quarterbacks, Adams can be a tick late in determining whether to rush upfield or drop back into coverage when they slide out of the pocket.

Adams' strengths far outweigh his weaknesses and had he been eligible for the 2016 NFL Draft, he would have been a surefire first round selection, just like Fournette. Given that LSU has a new defensive coordinator this season (Dave Aranda), scouts will want to see how well Adams acclimates.

The smart money, though, is on Adams excelling once again and continuing LSU's remarkable run of defensive backs to the NFL via early picks.


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thanks for the info Vers...good insight...lord know we need someone else in the backfield. Garrett/Allen then this fellow next...I am good with that.


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I posted early (this thread maybe?) that I had Adams as the best S prospect in this class even ahead of Peppers.

Adams reminds me of a more fluid Eric Reid.

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Malik Hooker, if he comes out, would be my top safety choice. He just seems to have it all. Plus he's pretty young, I believe.

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Originally Posted By: HotBYoungTurk
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i'm really warming up to the idea of Allen/Shelton


Me too.

With all the pass rushers we drafted last season, do we need to even spend picks on another?

Shelton/Allen with Collins and Ogbah outside sounds good to me.


It depends on what you want. If you want a terror off the edge, draft Garrett. If you want a monster in the middle Allen is your guy.

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I think the Browns should draft whomever is the BPA w/1-1.

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The safety class is loaded... If they all come out. Jamal Adams, Hooker, Peppers, and Marcus Maye all flash ability at the free safety spot. Some are better than others, but dang this is a good class. The A&M safeties are good too, but they're built as SS. Eddie Jackson could be a great steal as well in the mid rounds as a flyer.

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I'd like Allen/Hooker combo


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Who are some other good 3-4 DE's? I doubt we get Allen. Would be tough to pass on Garrett, but we need a good DE baddddddd.. Our true 3-4 DE's suck.


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Who are some other good 3-4 DE's?


Malik McDowell from Mich. St. is another highly touted, big-bodied DL.

I just start looking at Tanoh Kpassagnon from Villanova. His highlights look very good, but I've yet to find full games. Hopefully he gets a Senior Bowl invite. He's extremely long, but seems to have good balance and leverage. Flashes a spin move where he still can defend 2 gaps with his range and seems to defend both options on the read-option with his wing span and burst. He gets his hands up in passing lanes and has blocked some FG attempts. Has 19 TFLs so far this season. I need to see his anchor against better competition, but he has my attention.


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I think there is some talent across the rounds in the DE position. Chris Wormley from Michigan is a guy I like. Btw, it's great seeing the Big ten start getting a lot of these talented players, they recruit finally coached up. Especially since Cleveland is around the epicenter of these talented B1G teams. Should be great for our scouts to be able to get out there with ease. But anyway, Chris Wormley out of Michigan is pretty stout against the run, but can still get to the QB. Montravious Adams out of Auburn is an animal when he wants to be. He just never does. He's lazy, but if you can beat that out of him, he could be good. Davon Godchaux out of LSU and Eddie Vandeross out of UCLA are both Jrs, but are pretty stout against the run. If they come out they'd be good rotational guys.

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What round u looking at Jones in?




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For those who want more on Allen here's a story regarding his leadership qualities. Allen

I have allen and garrett as equal to me right now but Garrett isn't the type of leader Allen is. Allen isn't afraid to get in there and tell you what you did wrong. Garrett's biggest flaw (a tiny one) is his laid back nature. He probably won't ever be a vocal leader.

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Yea and we don't need him to be a vocal leader.

That needs to be reserved for our LB's.


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that confirms my want for allen


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I don't know what round. I'm going off some of the draft boards that have him and Wormley as the 2nd/3rd ranked DT. I would guess late first/early second round.

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Malik Hooker, if he comes out, would be my top safety choice. He just seems to have it all. Plus he's pretty young, I believe.
I can't find any game cut-ups of Hooker and don't watch Ohio St.

Can you describe his playing style?

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
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Malik Hooker, if he comes out, would be my top safety choice. He just seems to have it all. Plus he's pretty young, I believe.
I can't find any game cut-ups of Hooker and don't watch Ohio St.

Can you describe his playing style?


I can.

He caught my eye first game of the season because he flashed, if you know what I mean.

--He has great range. Covers ground quickly.

--He has ups. His vertical is probably going to be off the charts.

--Has excellent hands and high points the ball.

--His closing speed is awesome.

--Is a willing tackler and has good tackling technique.

--Takes some bad angles at times and improve some of his reads, but I was just looking for a negative or two to keep things balanced.

If you liked Ed Reed, you will like Hooker.

Oh, and ed..........you should check out him and Lattimore [he's number 2 and plays CB] on Saturday vs that TUN. It starts at noon and is on National TV.

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
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Malik Hooker, if he comes out, would be my top safety choice. He just seems to have it all. Plus he's pretty young, I believe.
I can't find any game cut-ups of Hooker and don't watch Ohio St.

Can you describe his playing style?


Ed Reed / Earl Thomas

Needs to improve his tackling, but has consistently show he's not afraid to tackle and stick his nose in.


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Glad I'm not the only one who sees him like Ed Reed. I was shocked he wasn't on the Thorpe finalist list.

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Did a little fanspeak mock draft to kill some time tonight. Can't complain about the haul:

1: R1P1
EDGE JONATHAN ALLEN
ALABAMA
15: R1P15
EDGE DEREK BARNETT
TENNESSEE
33: R2P1
CB CORDREA TANKERSLEY
CLEMSON
45: R2P13
S MARCUS MAYE
FLORIDA
65: R3P1
QB CHAD KELLY
OLE MISS
104: R4P1
OT JULIE'N DAVENPORT
BUCKNELL
141: R4P38
RB KAREEM HUNT
TOLEDO
143: R5P1
DL EDDIE VANDERDOES
UCLA
171: R5P29
CB CHIDOBE AWUZIE
COLORADO
178: R5P36
EDGE EJUAN PRICE
PITTSBURGH
180: R6P1
S NATHAN GERRY
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Found some Malik Hooker cut ups.

His range/speed jumps off the tape.
Fluid movement, very much like a CB...but he also tackles like a CB.
Team trust him to play many snaps of Cover 1/Cover 3 centerfield FS.

Form the tapes I've seen thus far Hooker doesn't have the the physicality of an Earl Thomas nor the aggression/willingness with his tackles, too many snaps of cut/dive tackling without bringing his arms to rap up.

I like him as FS prospect but I would still have Adams as my #1.

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Can Allen rush the passer? .. if not I want the other dude ..

We need a pass rusher ... we have a ton of needs on D .. but thats #1 ...




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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
Can Allen rush the passer? .. if not I want the other dude ..

We need a pass rusher ... we have a ton of needs on D .. but thats #1 ...

From what I've seen, he's the best of both worlds: pass rush and run stop. Plus, he's vocal and nasty.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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