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Michigan beat both WI and PSU, so you can argue that yes, they would take them over them..

My argument is "The best 4 teams"

OSU is one of the beat 4. Michigan has a claim to be one of the best 4.

If you out Washington in over UM, assuming they beat Colorado, you're sayi ng they had a "better season"

They are in a much weaker conference. As is Clemson.

OSU's worst scenario:

1. PSU drills Wisconsin
2. Washington drills Colorado
3. Clemson beats Virginia Tech
4. Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma


Even then, I think the PSU/OSU slot is very highly arguable

I don't think OSU and PSU are competent for a spot at all..

I think Bama is in, regardless of the SEC title.

I think OSU is in regardless of anything else..

I think Clemson is in, assuming they handle The ACC title game..

I think the only real question is #4.

Right now it's Washington, but if they lose, or possibly even barely win a "bad game" that they could drop, and then Michigan takes #4.

The set up, that I don't see changing much. Is OSU vs Clemson, doesn't matter who is 2 or 3..

And Alabama vs. Washington or Michigan..

My chaotic dream scenario.

Alabama loses to Florida.

Clemson loses to VT.

Washington loses to Colorado.

Wisconsin beats PSU 3-0.

I think OSU is in as well. My guess is that the selection committee is desperately hoping that either Clemson or Washington lose so they can take OSU and the Big 10 champion then they won't have to explain it nearly as much.

If OSU is the only Big 10 team in the final 4, the committee is going to have a hard time explaining it without sounding very hypocritical of things they have said in the past..

I think OSU deserves to be in and I think the second best team in the Big10 is Michigan.. it's just unfortunate that the way the round robin of losses worked out, neither made the conference championship.

I still don't think Michigan would get in.

The most likely scenario there would probably be Ohio State, Alabama, Wisconsin, and Colorado getting in.

Oklahoma, with a convincing win over Oklahoma State, would have a good case for the 4th spot (maybe even the other way around?)

With that amount of chaos, I wouldn't completely discount Clemson sneaking in as well, although that'd be a long shot. But still, they have wins over Auburn, Louisville, and Florida State, and the committee has shown to favor losers in conference championship games over similarly qualified teams that didn't play in their title game (see #5 Iowa compared to #7 Ohio State last year.)

Anyway.. Alabama, Clemson, and Washington *all* losing is probably about a 1% chance and that's not even getting into the Big Ten championship game.

That TUN beat Colorado. You guys are reaching.

The committee has always said that they want the four best teams in.

Right now, I believe the four best teams to be:

Alabama
Ohio State
TTUN
Clemson

Not looking forward to Clemson in a potential 1st game.

they probably aren't either haha

I know lol.

The talent they have scares me. It's why I said they'd be tougher for Ohio State than Louisville would be for us. They have a nasty d-line and are loaded offensively.

We're in uncharted territory here. Every team that made the playoffs in the first two seasons were zero or one loss Power Five conference champs. Obviously that can't happen again, but some precedent has been established regarding conference champs having priority, and even runner ups having priority over teams that didn't even play in the championship game (assuming other things are reasonably equal.)

Again, think back to last year's stacked 1-loss Buckeyes. They finished 7th in the final playoff rankings. How do you reconcile that with wanting the 4 best teams? That was the best team at least in regards to talent.

A poster above said that Michigan could still get in over Washington, if Washington won a sloppy game. Talk about a reach!-- So #4 Washington goes and beats a top 10 opponent while adding the Pac-12 championship, and they're somehow going to fall below #5 that did not play because the win was sloppy? That won't happen.

The interesting things happen if Washington and/or Clemson lose.



We very well may have three different two-loss conference champions (Wisconsin/Penn State, possibly Colorado, and Oklahoma/Oklahoma State). Michigan fails hard at the first one but has a great strength of schedule including that good win against Colorado. How it all shakes out remains to be seen because we have not seen this before. But if you look at the Big Ten winner compared to Michigan, Michigan will have the head to head but you're also looking at the 4th place finisher in the conference vs the conference champ. Don't overlook that.

I'm still not positive that Ohio State would get in over the Wisconsin/Penn State winner although the Buckeyes most likely will (root for a close/ugly game just in case, preferably with Wisconsin winning.)

A Colorado win clinches a spot for OSU in my opinion.

agreed

colorado's d doesn't look very good right now

Washington is up by two TD's, and is in scoring position again.

If they win, and Clemson wins, like I said before, we need penn state to lose or we probabaly won't get in.

So how bad does Colorado get destroyed in the Rose Bowl against Michigan / Wisconsin / Ohio State ?

It will probabaly be a 21+ type beatdown. Especially if colorados starting QB remains injured.

USC will be ranked higher than them, which means they'll get the Rose Bowl.

Kevin King is a giant human and he plays corner.

I'm gonna guess status quo

#1 Alabama vs #4 Washington
#2 Clemson vs #3 The OSU

I think psu will win and lead to a bit of an uproar for being left out. In 5 years it moves to an 8 team playoff, and stays that way for about 20 years.

after the washington beat down, if PSU wins in a landslide tonight, I'm sure OSU won't sleep as comfortably

This is for you and Haus.......and maybe even Dawg4Life.

Let's make a wager on this. I say Ohio State is in. You guys say they aren't. Keep it small so I know you guys can afford to pay.

How about $10.00 each?

That is not quite what I said or implied. Here is what I said:


Washington is in. Alabama and Clemson will be in with wins. Alabama may even be in without a win. I do think Ohio State will get in over the Big Ten winner but I would not be shocked if that does not happen, especially if Penn State wins convincingly.

Let's change the bet around a little bit, and let's only make the bet if Alabama/Clemson both win and Penn State wins by multiple scores. And then I want 10:1 odds. So your $100 to my $10. Or your $1,000 to my $100, or whatever you want to make it.

If Ohio State is already in, you're getting free money.

(this is all in good fun-- I'm not actually going to make a bet here.)

I'm not about wager something as ridiculous as this.

If Clemson loses than the bet wouldn't even be valid seeing as osu would be guaranteed a spot at that point. Then it doesn't matter if pen state wins or loses. That only matters as far as allowing Michigan in or not.

So yea, I'm sticking to my comments. If Clemson wins, and so does penn state, osu might not get in because they lost the game against penn state.

If the Huskies play the Tide they are going to get destroyed. They have yet to see a team anywhere near as complete as 'bama or a defense as stout.

Championship game will be boring if it comes to this.

I'd love to see Alabama vs OSU or Michigan.

Yeah, like last year when Oklahoma got in and was then humiliated. Heck w/being "sensitive" to conferences. Put the best four teams in.

Agreed.

WA have played nobody remotely close to Alabama, OSU, MI etc.

Utah are always solid but, nothing compared to the above teams. Stanford and Oregon have had an off year so, the Huskies, Buffs and Cougars have benefited. The Pac-12 in general has been weak, weak, weak. Depending on who the Ducks hire I can't see how they are going to turn it around. Oregon are not like Michigan or OSU when it comes to recruiting. An off year could set them back years. But, we will see who they hire. All this talk of Chip Kelly coming back but, I don't know how even he can save them. The rest of the NCAA has caught up with his offense so, it isn't so special anymore.

Anyway, I hope I am wrong and the Huskies surprise all as that would be great for NCAA but, on paper it really doesn't look good for the Championship game if they play Alabama.

J/c

I think OSU is a top 4 team as far as talent. I'm not sure if we're actually playing like one of the top 4 teams, though. I'm not sure that we've played up to our potential since the Oklahoma game. I think we get in, but I'm not sure if Urban will be able to get the offense back rolling or not. Keeping up with Clemson, Washington, or Alabama could be rough. Not sure how many more times the D can save the day.

We need 5, 6, and 9. What did you need to see to prove we were a top 4 team?

I understand that I am biased.

But all this talk about Michigan and Washington being "close" by the commuter is complete BS.

Michigan is better. They played in a much tougher conference.

If you're not ganna put them in because they lost a game on the road at night when their QB got hurt, and lost to the #2 team. Then just say it..

You put Washington above them, and Washington won convincingly. Stop trying to play both sides..

Wouldn't this be nice? (and slightly realistically the top-4 teams)

1) Alabama
2) Ohio State
3) Michigan
4) Big Ten Conference Champion

Nah... They'll want a west coast team in there. (at least west of the Mississippi)

PS. Michigan could beat Alabama on a neutral field. And remember I'm not a Michigan fan.

Yep. The committee is useless if Ohio State isn't IN already.

And I don't care what Washington, PSU and Wisconsin do. Michigan is IN also.

State beats Clemson. TTUN pops Bama and guess what we have!

Exactly what I want.

If Clemson wins, it'll be this:

1. Bama
2. Clemson
3. Washington
4. OSU
5. Big10 Winner

I suppose people can argue 4 & 5, but we'll see. I think OSU is in, no matter what. The committee knows this is a TV show and OSU will bring eyes.

Final Four:

1. Alabama vs 4. Washington

2. Ohio State vs. 3. Clemson

I'm hoping for a Virginia tech win to just throw everything off!

Horrible play calling by Florida on offense. Not really sure what they're doing. Alabama's defense is good but come on.

j/c:

One team that not many people around the country are not talking about is Wisconsin. They have a pretty good resume. Certainly more deserving than teams like Oklahoma and Penn State. I also believe they are a better team than Washington, but it's going to be almost impossible to leave Washington out after last night.

So we are all Wisconsin fans tonight, right?

"One play at a time...together.

"Let's make this a special night."

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