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Diam,

He's the best interior pass rusher in college football.

Allen is a stud, no doubt.

Christian McCaffrey is a guy I can see Hue loving. I just wish he pass protected better.

McCaffery vs Iowa

If they draft him high I'll PUKE ...

Not a big fan of inside pass rushers ... would rather have the edge guys ..

There's not many difference makers rushing the passer from the middle .. just to hard to do ..

I wish we had 4 FS's on the roster instead of SS's. Because Budda Baker is a nasty man. I wish we could draft him. He'll be a beast at the next level for sure.

I don't know. I think Adams is more of a SS. Teams will be able to move him around a lot, kinda like Tyrone Mathau, but Hooker is a true FS.

No doubt that Hooker plays tons more true FS then Adams (and probably every other S prospect).

However; many "SS" in college will make the transition to FS in the NFL. This especially true of LSU Safeties. They use their S as moveable chess pieces. Adams does play some Center field FS though and when he does he looks good. Eric Reid a few years back had similar size and playing style and made a pro-bowl transition from "SS" at college to FS in the NFL. (Landry too before taking steroids became more important then paying football)

LOL...........no, many SS's don't transition to FS in the NFL. A quality FS is way harder to find. SS's are a dime a dozen.

Adams is a very good player and will be drafted high. I even spoke about him earlier as one of the guys I like, but there is no way he is as good of a prospect at FS as Hooker is............Oh, and I watch EVERY Ohio State game.

Off the top of my head: Eric Reid-SS at LSU all pro FS in NFL
Landry SS at LSU played SAF in the NFL
TJ McDonald SS at USC SAF in the NFL

It happens because some players in college use their best S at SS.

Never said FS were easy to find. Its hard position to find precisely because very few college defense play with a true Centerfield/Single post FS. Those spots in the NFL are often manned by transition players from CB and SS.

For me i simply cannot rate a S that shows as much disinterest intackling as the highest rated S on the board. And I like Hooker as prospect but top S over Adams...nah not for me.

Gee ed, that's a lot of guys.

Want me to name guys who have moved from other positions to SS?

You haven't even really watched Hooker play and you wanna act like an expert.

Look man, I was a player and a coach. It ain't about head-hunting. It's about bringing a guy down. You don't go anywhere w/out your feet.

You ask to be educated and then blow those opinions off. Don't ask again.

...Disinterest in tackling? I haven't noticed that. I just watched the Wisconsin cut up again to make sure I wasn't missing something and he seemed if anything too eager to fly to the ball at times (i,e. over-pursuit). He did try to go low against a big back in space and got hurdled once, but I saw him stick his nose in there often.

I'm not 100% sold on his fluidity, but when it's time to pull the trigger and go he's elite in covering ground and air space (his high school basketball highlights are out there for an idea of his hops). He's got good hands and is way less developed than Adams. He's a red-shirt sophomore and only played 2 years in high school (at WR and CB.) I like his instincts for the most part, and he has a ton of upside as far as technique and recognition.

I like Adams, too, but I can cherry pick plays where he looks disinterested in tackling. I think Hooker has more upside. Probably a lower floor, too. I still need to dig in more to really decide if I think he'll reach his potential, but my initial impression is positive. He's shown a lot of growth in a short period of time.

I don't know what position Adoree Jackson will play in the NFL. I do know that he is one of the best athletes I've seen on a football and will at least be a great return man.

I would love to have him on my team.

I really like Derek Barnett of Tennessee.

me too

Jabrill Peppers gotta drop after punching that OSU fan right? Funny. Idiot fan tried to run right through him and OSU's DB coach shaking hands. But I wonder if he'll fall to our second pick. Now that he's got his first interception in his collegiate career, he can play FS now. Right?

I think Peppers is vastly overrated.

Anyone can take my opinions however they like; never claimed to be an expert. I hope most will find my opinions well informed.

I thought you of all people would know that I watch before I comment. I put great value in a S prospects ability to tackle. I am not saying Hooker is a bad S prospect, I think hes one of the best in this draft class.However; for ME he doesnt display the willingess/physicality and aggression in his tackling that I want especially compared to Adams. And don't think tackling aggression/physicality is something that changes from game to game or watching him live.

Stating my opinion and discussing where we disagee is not blowing off your opinion.

Can you give some examples of this lack of willingness to tackle?

He plays a lot of deep middle and quarters coverage, so he's not always in the middle of the scrum, but it's not what he's asked to do most of the time. He's often the last line of defense or has backside contain responsibilities. When he's in the box, he often squares the runner up and drives through the waist rather than the matador arm tackling I've seen from some Browns' DBs.

He has got Diva written all over him, me me me . Odell of a defense

I watched his Penn State cut-up. I didnt chart the game and lack of willingness/physicality/aggression isnt the type of thing you can really quantify like missed tackles, bad angles or how often a S wraps/doesn't wrap with arms you know what I mean?

Let me put it to you this way; do you think Hooker is a physical player?
Between Hooker and Adams who would you say is more the physical/aggressive tackler?

Jackson certainly is a playmaker (look at last night alone). I'd find a way to draft him if possible. We need guys who can affect a game ... playmakers

I don't know aout 3-4.....maybe 2-3.

You can never have too many corners who can play.

Who cares who is more physical?

Your FS is a guy who needs to have great range and smarts. He has to cover a lot of ground and do it quickly. He has to call the coverages. He has to be a sound tackler. Hooker is all of those things. Just because he wraps up and practices form tackling, doesn't mean he can't tackle.

Big hitters are so overrated. They are usually SS types and are easily replaced. Finding a FS w/great range, athleticism, and smarts is far more important.

First time I've seen Michigan this year ... if it wasn't for O, I wouldn't have even known Peppers was on the field .... i watched the first half .... couldn't take anymore of watching the TWO SCUMMIEST COACHES in college football north of Tuscalusa ...

Question ... did he "shadow" one of your recievers or something ... if not, he was INVISIBLE for a hole 1/2 of football ... i noticed on a few of the runs he was DOMINATED by one OLman on all of them ...

If he dropped into coverage and shut someone down .. then he contributed .. if not, he was invisible ...

He's clearly a safety ... any talk of him playing LBer is a pipe dream ...

ED - DOES THAT SITE U linked do DB's also? ... never even heard of some of the guys being talked about at corner and safety ... would like to see their games as opposed to highlight tapes ...

VERS - form tackling??? .. GOD FORBID someone actually knows how to tackle as opposed to hit ... we can't have that ... *LOL* ...

Diam, it does everything. On the top, there are positions that you can click on. From QB to OL to Edge to CB's.

It's the best website for college draft, IMO.

No, Peppers didn't shadow anyone.

Jourdan Lewis, their best corner, was on Samuel a lot and did a very nice job. I like him way better than Peppers.

Draftbreakdown does cutups for all positions.
I find it easiest to enter their name into the search bar upper right hand corner.

He'd be a nice bargain player to pick up in the draft. He's very short however.

It's hard to say who is the more physical/aggressive tackler. Adams was definitely asked to be that guy more often.

Watch the Wisconsin tape. I think Penn State was somewhat misleading as they rely a lot on explosive plays so we needed him deep. They also run a lot of misdirection, have an elusive RB, and a mobile QB, so he had to be exceptionally disciplined.

We need big plays on D for the Browns. There's a what we learned article on NFL.com where Daniel Jeremiah mentions "Hooker having the best ball skills of any secondary defender."

We need that more than we need a big hitter, and I think you are selling him short there.

link

jc

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/11/27/scouting-report-myles-garrett-edge-texas-am/

Scouting report: Myles Garrett, EDGE, Texas A&M

By: Luke Easterling

The best overall prospect in the 2017 NFL draft class, Texas A&M’s Myles Garrett is a well-rounded defender who makes life miserable for opposing offenses in every way.

Tale of the Tape
Height | 6-5

Weight | 270

Class | Junior

Scouting Report
If he had been eligible for the 2016 draft, Garrett likely would have been a top-five pick. But another year in College Station has made him an even better prospect.

The biggest knock on Garrett during his sophomore campaign was a lack of ideal bulk, which prevented him from being able to anchor consistently against the run. He added some quality weight in the offseason, and it shows on his 2016 film. He’s more effective at setting and keeping the edge against the run, and he’s not as easily neutralized by bigger, more physical blockers. His thicker frame also serves him well as a pass-rusher, giving him an element of power to go with his rare explosiveness off the edge.

Some of Myles Garrett is better than all of most edge defenders
Durability has been Garrett’s biggest struggle in 2016, as injuries have held him back and negatively impacted his production. But he’s also shown toughness and a willingness to play through injuries, showing he can still be effective at less than 100 percent.

Garrett is a complete prospect, and the prototypical edge defender NFL teams are desperate for. He can be effective in any scheme, and will make an impact on every down at the next level. If he can stay healthy, he’s talented enough to immediately give NFL offensive tackles trouble.

Even if the team picking at the top of this year’s draft needs a franchise quarterback, Garrett is too good to pass up. He’s easily the best overall player in this class, and should be the No. 1 overall pick, regardless of what team owns the selection.

TY sir ...

WOW .... BEST SITE EVER ....

Thanks so much Ed ...

Out of curiosity, for those who have seen Myles play, how would you rate him vs Watt or Clowney at this point in his college career?

You'll see him being lazy. Clowney went through the same thing. Biggest knock against him. If you really want to evaluate him, watch him last year.

Not my evaluation, that's the writer's evaluation.

Agreed to an extent. Certainly being lazy is not helpful. But after hearing all the arguments and results of previous #1 picks, loafing to not get injured, I think the results still skew bust, but it's much more inconclusive. That said, I think we have to pick Allen at #1. I just think the edge class is deep enough, to warrant it.

Only problem with this is he has been playing through injury.

I think Allen is a good player, but I'm not sure he'll be special at the next level. Solid starter, could be more. So many studs on that Bama D it's hard to pinpoint who is benefiting from what synergy.