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I disagree Peen. Anecdotal evidence, but I'm aware of 5 companies that have dropped their club seats over the past 2 years. They are investing their entrainment expenditures in the Cavs and now the Indians.

Quite frankly, the companies can't/couldn't entice their customers or potential customers to go to a Browns game. The prospect of free food and booze isn't a selling point anymore. The proof is in the pudding, just look at the club section when the camera pans the stadium.

Hue should have stayed an offensive coordinator with Cincy. He had a great gig with the Bengals. He just overestimated is ability to turn a team like this around, but then again who is that guy?

Post game thoughts...

- Kirksey gave it his all today. Outstanding effort, feel bad for the guy

- 3 or 4 weeks in a row now, Pryor cannot contain his frustration on the sideline. Unless the Browns franchise him or sign him to a huge contract before FA hits, he's bolting.

- Jamie Collins called it a year after about 2 weeks with this team. He's just playing out the year to move on.

- The ridiculous line shifts are just silly.

- Punt returns; my goodness gracious. It's bush league.

- Haden is playing with the hopes of getting moved in the offseason.

- McCown is a nice guy and great teammate, it ends there.

- Obviously, RG III starts after the bye (assuming he's cleared), hopefully, that experiment ends after this season as well.

- Rashard Higgins showed effort after catching the ball. Get him involved more.

- Who the hell is Danny Vitale and why is he catching passes?

- It was noted, Hue Jackson was 25 minutes to the postgame presser after meeting with the brass. Tony Grossi said not to read too much in to this at all. If anyone else on here listens to the A to Z podcast (w/ Andre Knott and Zac Jackson - and highly recommended, by the way) they'll understand this reference: it's December in Berea.

Lots of empty orange seats and blue today. Sad state of affairs.

You know, it is almost criminal to keep piling on Hue like he is some miracle worker! Our talent was thin from the beginning. But injuries and rookies are just an impediment. That and the FO basically going the entire youth route just makes this season extra hard.

Look at how ATL Falcons just clowned the Browns. Thanking Clev for giving them T.Gabriel. Who made the decision to let him go and keep every rookie we drafted?? Think about that, no other team has EVER kept that many rookies. And then you still send Hue out to deal with the press when the losing mounts.

Please, let Sashi and Haslam answer some questions. Hell, Sashi sounded like a first year GM with his "not worried about winning" comment. This is going to be a long losing season with the coaches taking the brunt of the hits while the FO sits back and acts like they gave him alot to work with.

Exactly. No doubt has Hue made some weird decisions here and there but its only natural to expect that during the term of someone in a head coaching role. I'm a big believer of learning through experience and mistakes. You're not going to be perfect, and when you mess up or do something wrong, learn the right way to do it. A mentor or someone who's been there a long time can make a difference. Do we have anyone experienced on our staff? I know most people would say, "Hey, Hue Jackson has enough experience or he's old enough." I mean someone as a knowledgable consultant who's been there and done it before just to help out and get their input. Hopefully we have people internal like that.

But the coach can only win with the talent level you give him on the field. I don't think Paul Brown would have a winning record with this team. Actually he would probably refuse to coach them. If anything, the FRONT OFFICE need to be the ones apologizing to Hue Jackson for not putting the appropriate NFL caliber talent on the field required to win games. They have him doing these press conferences and answering these questions when they're not getting their job done. I for one don't think its fair at all, those are my feelings. They should be the ones answering the talent level questions and not hiding or whatever they're up to.

When they do hold press conferences and the front office people answer questions, it sounds good, but it also sounds sugar coated. I would love to hear everyone talk behind closed doors. If Hue Jackson has effective told them he's doing the best he can with the talent on the field, probably....

For reference to your comment.

Tasty,
There is NO WAY Belicheck would win with our talent. I challenge ANYONE ON THIS BOARD to look at the roster on the browns, then sort it by years. If you do that, you will see that you do not get to players with 5 years or more in the league until almost 80% through the list. As a matter of fact, we only have 11 players with 5+ years in the league. 29 players with <= 2 years. You cannot win with a roster like that

Tell ya what, at most of our positions, you only have 1 or 2 players with considerable experience at each position group. That is crazy. Think about it, you would need the players with the most experience to teach the younger ones about being a professional. And then have the coaches TEACHING them about the pro football level nuances of their positions.

This is like having a huge project at work and using alot of fresh out of college personnel as your workers to get the project complete. NO WAY!

And your right, the FO needs to apologize to Hue and his staff for putting them in this screwed up situation and letting BBQ in front of the fans. Sashi atleast told everyone their thought process ( just the FO) about winning, then just forgot to tell Hue and the fans about how they felt!

not so much for me.

Taylor has 303 yards rec. this year...75 of those came in one game.

let's see he has 17 recp. on 23 targets this year.

that being stated, I do like his speed.

I am not a Crowell fan. He's average at best. He does that same little dance stutter step before hitting the line like we've seen from so many of our RB's before. Maybe with an o-line? But I think that's still a big maybe.

There is no talent worth a 1st round pick in the upcoming draft currently.

Toast. His-tor-y. Lucky to get a 6th rounder for him. Or, we will cut him, he will have his life straightened out, gets picked up by another team and ends up a Super Bowl MVP.

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1 = Quarterback Mitch Trubisky, NC.
18= Center Pat Elflein, OSU or Cam Robinson OT, Alabama
33 = Best offensive line available
45 = Gareon Conley, CB, OSU
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No way.

We need a true game changer at 1/1. Garrett or Allen (prefer Garrett).

With our second pick go top Safety (preferably FS) or Trubisky if available. Trubisky is my favorite QB in this draft, but not at 1/1. I may trade one of our 2nd rounders to move up from the Eagles pick to get him, though.

Then go oline/CB in round 2. If we don't end up with Garrett/Allen at 1/1 it'll be a big mistake IMO. MAYBE a trade down that includes like 3 first round picks, but even then I'm iffy. Need game changers if you want to be great (see Khalil Mack or Von Miller).

They should be thanking us for Julio Jones, too.

that's incredible. Empty seats and blue.

Not so sure about that, but even if true, I still see Haslam as fairly hands off, at least during the season.

Cleveland Browns Postgame Scribbles: Possible return of RG3, O-line mess -- Terry Pluto
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CLEVELAND, ONovember 28, 2016 at 6:19 AMhio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook after their 27-13 loss to the New York Giants on Sunday at FirstEnergy Stadium:

1. The Browns now have two weeks off thanks to the bye week. They have four games left. Or as coach Hue Jackson said, "four opportunities to win a game ... four opportunities to lose." But the final four games have to be more than avoiding an 0-16 season.

2. That's why we'll probably see Robert Griffin III at some point. For weeks, the quarterback has been working to come back from the broken bone in his shoulder. That happened in the Browns 29-10 opening game loss. That was in Philadelphia on September 11, and it feels as if it that happened seven years ago.

3. Cody Kessler has had two concussions in a month. It's hard to know when the rookie quarterback will be cleared to play. It also makes no sense to rush him back because of the obvious physical dangers. So it will be back to Griffin, where the quarterback quest began this season.

4. McCown was 1-10 as a starter with Tampa Bay in 2014. In 2015-16, he's now 1-10 as a starter with the Browns. This season, he is 0-3 as a starter. He has thrown six TD passes, six interceptions and been sacked 19 times. He also has lost four fumbles. He has been taking a physical beating, and it's hard to watch.

5. Starting right guard John Greco left the game in the third quarter. He was on crutches when departing from the stadium. The Browns are calling his injury a "strained" foot for now, with more medical details coming later. Greco rarely misses a snap, so the injury is probably significant.

6. If Greco is out, that means the Browns will be without their starting guards. Their other starting guard, Joel Bitonio, is out for the season because of foot surgery. He played five games.

7. That means rookie Spencer Drango will continue to start at one guard spot. He replaced Bitonio. Veteran Alvin Bailey replaced Greco, but it's hard to imagine Bailey being in the Browns future.

8. Another guard possibility is Jonathan Cooper, the No. 7 pick in the 2013 draft. He broke his leg in his rookie season with Arizona. He later was traded to New England, then was cut. He never has done much. The Browns did claim him on waivers.

9. Former Brown Taylor Gabriel caught TD passes of 35 and 25 yards for the Atlanta Falcons as they beat the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday. The Falcons cut Gabriel because they want to look at some younger receivers. Gabriel has 21 catches, including four TDs this season.

10. The Browns did give rookie Rashard Higgins some playing time and he caught two passes for 34 yards. I'd like to see more of him.

11. Cody Parkey's opening kickoff went out of bounds. That was bad. The weather was very nice. So Parkey made a poor play. But the officials were worse. They spotted the ball on the 30-yard line. Well guys ... it's supposed to be on the 40-yard line when the ball is kicked out of bounds. They fixed it, but how do you mess up that call on the first play of the game?

12. The silliest part of the game was Browns punter Britton Colquitt talking trash to Odell Beckham Jr. It happened after Beckham thought he had run back a punt for a touchdown, but it was negated by a clipping penalty. Why the punter would be yelling at Beckham celebrating in the end zone ... well, beats me. Certainly the Browns special teams had nothing to brag about on that play.

13. When Isaiah Crowell fumbled in the second quarter, it was his first fumble since 2014. It came at a bad place on the field. New York recovered on the Cleveland 25-yard-line, then scored a touchdown two plays later.

14. The Browns tried to get tricky with Duke Johnson throwing a long pass to Terrelle Pryor. Pryor was open but Johnson fired the ball about 10 yards over his head. The running back did throw the ball about 50 yards in the air. Interesting idea, just didn't work.

15. The Browns were 7-4 at one point since the first 11 games of 2014, since they have lost 30-of-33.

ugh, lost 30 of 33

j/c:

The game was frustrating. Reading some of these comments was even more frustrating. I guess I'll start there.

--Before the season, some of us tried to warn people about how much of an effect Hue could have w/this offense. As usual, we were ridiculed. Now, many of those same people are saying that Hue is a disappointment as a coach, or that he should bring in an OC, or that he's in over his head. None of that is true. An OC will not help. The offensive problems are due to lack of talent, just as some of us tried to tell you guys BEFORE the damn season.

About the game:

--The biggest thing I notice almost every week is how much slower the Browns are than their opponents. Our team speed is horrible and it's hard to win in a league where speed is a priority.

--I am sick of Pryor complaining every game. He was a Diva at Ohio State and caused the university much hardship. Play the game. Shut your mouth.

--Losing Greco hurt.

--Boddy Calhoun made some decent plays.

--Kirksey is the one guy who flashes w/speed. Once a blocker reaches him, he's toast...........but he is very good when running downhill. He gets there in a hurry and makes plays.

--Collins did not look good yesterday.

--The difference in speed between OBJ and Haden was alarming.

--Why was our punter trash-talking? I think OBJ even said: "you're a punter!" LOL

--It was nice to not have Cody in there. We were able to use more of the field and open up the playbook. The Giants have a legit D. They invested heavily in free agency and really upgraded their secondary during the off-season. Their D-line has always had talent.

--I think that Crow is fine as the featured RB and that Duke is fine as the specialist. Nothing wrong at all w/how the Browns are dividing their snaps.

--Higgens looks way better than Louis--or is it Lewis--to me?

--Ogbah is not a game-changer, but he should be a decent player for quite some time.

--I was so annoyed by hearing the chant of "Let's Go, Gi-ants!" over and over and over again.

--Wonder how Haslam is liking the part of the plan they didn't account for............dwindling attendance from Brown's fans?

I'm growing wary of Pryor's complaining as well. It's one thing to be passionate, but that's a bad look IMO

I'm actually happy the seats are filled with fans of the opposing team.

the front office and coaching staff need to see that!!

4-12

I'm not going to another game this year. I'm done. I was able to give my tickets away to the last game at least. But, like a moron, I'll renew my season tickets for next year. The Steelers game was the first home game I've missed in 3 years. My 13 year old son doesn't want to go either - they are losing the young fan base which is likely the scariest for the FO.

This is one of the biggest problems with "the plan."

The game was televised in my area so I got to watch it. I did see a team that has heart and is trying to win. I saw a team that is lacking at the qb position, is very young and makes too many mistakes. I saw a team that needs more talent and playmakers. This is why I feel it is time for us to draft BPA and stop the trading down. We have enough picks and now we need to get playmakers and top talent on this team. Let's hope our FO is up to the task.

j/c:


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/rg3s-g...-034457759.html

Ingrates ... *LOL* ...

The last 2 seasons my entertainment dollars have been spent going to Cavs games. I've always tried to catch a Browns game or two each season with my son, we've even been to training camps and preseason games. We love football. It's just not worth the time or the money to watch this poor excuse for a football team. We're not huge basketball fans, but the Cavs games are a fantastic experience, and we get to watch elite athletes perform at a high level. In other words, we don't feel cheated. I do miss your tailgates.

rg3 had money stolen which sucks. our franchise is so depressing

Hes stolen enough from us and the redskins ... ...

On a team this terrible, with this little talent, I'm all in favor of anyone that still shows passion for being out there and giving 100%.

That passion strikes both ways. He was not well liked on the OSU football teams.

Wow

I mentioned this play earlier in the thread. glad i wasnt the only one to notice. Odell should have been eating dirt.

WOW .... thats INEXCUSIBLE ... WOW ... my jaw dropped ...

Now we have another piece to the puzzle as to why Billicheck let him go ..

WOW ...

I don't know why we are surprised. He was a malcontent, not giving his all as a PATRIOT. One of, if not THE, best teams in the AFC.

I still think we attempt to pay him his big bucks.

not what i like to see. do i blame him for being upset to be in cleveland? not one bit. guess it's seeped into his play as well

Pat McManamon ESPN Staff Writer

Sunday marked the first time since 2013 a team lost by 14 points or more to an opposing team that had at least nine punts. The Giants punted nine times and beat the Browns by 14. This has happened to teams 25 times in the last 15 seasons. Stats courtesy of ESPN Stats and Information.
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