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The fact is the Moneyball boys have failed and got to go.

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How do they contribute?

What happens when there is a disagreement?

Who then has the power to over ride the other?

In my opinion, all that would lead to is decension in the FO, which leads as we've seen, to a quick exit..

Everyone we have is on the "same page", why bring in someone with. Different book?

The fact is the Moneyball boys have failed and got to go.

I think "Kings" is a troll, EO so I wouldn't put to much into that. His other posts all slam everything Browns, so take it for what it's worth.

Being that were less than a year into this thing, it just doesn't make sense to bring in a NEW GUY. Were still feeling each other out and trying to get along, can you imagine a new guy all of a sudden saying hey have you thought about?? Talk about a cluster. Lets get our party started first and then if we feel we need to move on and get more experience then do it, but that means we should have at least a couple of years together first to see if we do need help.

Now the Browns are set back 5 years because this front office has no clue how work FA, how to resign players, how to work the waiver wires and is especially inept at drafting.

I'll try to answer that question, but there are people on the payroll that should know how to tweek things better than I.

First, I think I should begin with why things should be tweaked. Obviously, constant losing can have damaging affects. Attendance goes down. People selling their tickets for as low as $6. Fans not renewing their season tickets. Players not wanting to stay here when their contracts are up. Other free agents not wanting to come here. Players stop believing in the coaches and growing comfortable w/losing.

It's one thing for that to occur this year, but if things are tweaked, next year could magnify the things I just mentioned. What happens after two straight years of monumental losing? We both know that coaches will be sacrificed.

And what does that do to the plan, my friend? It effectively kills it because nothing blows-up a football team more than changing coaching staffs. I think most of us don't want to see guys getting fired. I think most of us want to see continuity. I just think that losing double digit games for two straight years could prove to be fatal to the plan. Thus, that is why I think the plan should be tweaked a bit.

A few things they can do:

--Stop this nonsense of "streamlining" the scouting department. I would hire more scouts and have them not only scout talent, but dig into each player's character. Talk to the players, talk to their coaches, teammates, family members, etc. Be a thorough as you can. I recently posted an article on here that had Gil Brandt talking about NFL scouting departments being underfunded and how it hurts the teams. Yet, the Browns want to spend even less money on that department. I do not think that is wise.

--Draft impact players in the first round and at the top of the second round. Do NOT trade down in the first and second rounds this year. Draft impact players at impact positions and do not try and draft "players we can develop."

--Spend some money in free agency. I am not saying that we need to continue that philosophy, but we desperately need some wins next year. We don't need to spend on the high-priced, big-named guys.......but bring guys in like an Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, and Gipson. I used those three because all are familiar w/them. All three guys are helping their teams. And here is something crazy...did you know Jax was third in pass defense this year?

--In order to properly evaluate the pro talent, we certainly need a guy whose job is to do only that. A Director of Pro Personnel, which is not to be confused w/the collegiate scouting department. Farmer had that role in KC before he came here. We may already have that guy, but if not, we need that position to be filled. We also need to spend the money to properly fund that department.

--Re-sign your key free agents this year. I don't want to hear stuff about how they don't want to be here or how we didn't win any games w/them, so why keep them. Identify the talent and do what you have to do to keep the guys you can build with.

That's all I have, right now. Not a big deal. It isn't blowing things up. Instead, it is about avoiding the fallout of firing coaches when this team loses almost all of their games next year after winning 0-2 games this year.

It's like I used to tell my Math and Science students when their strategy isn't working. Stop beating your head against the wall. Look around. :ook for another way in. Use the door!

... you fill needs in FA. Draft the BPA with your draft picks.

As for the sign your free agests.....we'll see how that goes. Last year, you know my views. We have Pryor and Collins this year. If we only make a half ass effort to sign them, I agree. We blew it. To me, both of those guys are like first round draft picks. If we don't sign them, we better have a pretty darn good offer they refused to sign.

I hope they work something out w/Crow and Kirksey, too.

--This was the first year where he was clearly the man. His numbers have slipped because of Kessler, but I imagine they will pick back up w/RGIII. I am not saying he is great, but I'd keep him.

I could care less about his numbers this year declining ... when Hue REFUSES to hand him the ball what do u expect ... save the Cody BS .. he may responsible for when Crow gets the ball and the 7 or 8 man boxes .. but he can't break the 20 yarder when HUE WON'T GIVE HIM THE BALL ...

BS? What the hell are you talking about? You don't think that teams doing everything they can to stop the run because they know Kessler can't beat them effects how many times Hue calls running plays?

Seriously? I can accept that agenda posters like Willie would say that............but you?

Gee, another post where the positive posters are slamming someone who doesn't see it their way. And then you guys act like you are victims. LOL

BS? What the hell are you talking about? You don't think that teams doing everything they can to stop the run because they know Kessler can't beat them effects how many times Hue calls running plays?

Seriously? I can accept that agenda posters like Willie would say that............but you?

He did say that. I don't remember when, but he did say that.

I'm guessing that we run it more this week.

I hope so.....about time IMO.



Running is a investment. Had the Skins of the 80's given up on Riggens and his 40 yards gained in the first half, they would have never gotten his 40 yards in the 3rd Qtr and 45 in the 4th qtr.


Barry Sanders gained 80 of his yards on 2 carries a game. The other 40 came on 20 carries.



Jim Brown, Emmett Smith, they gave you a lot of 8 yard runs. Most others it is chunk or chump.

Outside of mac, you sir are the biggest agenda poster on this Board.

Inciting the masses is your agenda and you've been working hard at it for about a year and 200 continuations of this thread. Usually the continuation for the new thread is posted before the last one is even locked.

The fact that you formed your opinion before this FO got started reveals it for the nonsense that it is though.

This front office has to lay in the bed they made!

I'm not giving anyone a pass..especially those responsible for this winless mess, the first year of the Moneyballers.

You have a problem with the Browns management taking responsibility for their own performance?