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Not really had a chance to get into scouting reports and stuff yet. But at first glance this class doesn't seem to have a hands down first overall worthy QB. I'm in favor is moving back if we get the right offer but if not selecting Myles Garret at #1 overall. I'm projecting our Eagles pick to come in at #7. I like Trubisky with this pick but I think we might need to move up from here to nab him.

Welcome to the board Fin. There is a lot of discussion about this very subject in the Tailgate forum (as opposed to the Pure Football Forum). Don't be surprised if this thread gets moved.

Well thanks for leading me in the right direction :-)

welcome fin ... regardless of position (we need so many), all I care is that we draft IMPACT guys. playmakers.

Myles Garrett.

Getting impact players means NO MORE trading back. If we got Garrett and Trubisky, I would be very happy. OL in the second round and then BPA the rest of the way (except we can pass on wide receiver after last draft).

Yes, we need to resolve our QB situation as we may/may not have him on our current roster. However, and like many others, there may not be a QB worthy of a top pick and our defense needs an influx of some mega talent. Unlike some, I believe our OL can be fine with current (and healthy) personnel.

Therefore I would suggest Garrett or Allen at #1, a CB or FS with Philly's pick, and more secondary/DL help with the two second rounders. An OC/OG in the third and fill out from there...

if we don't trade back I'm on the Allen train

Deshaun Watson

Trubisky is going to go in the top 5 picks.

If we finish with the #1 pick, Myles Garrett.

It's not like Watson uses his offensive line blocking well anyways. He'd just take off and run if his first read wasn't available.

I am leaning towards Allen over Garret just because I think that would improve our D as a whole versus improving the position.

Allen
Shelton
Ogbah

I like Garrett and if we sit at one I'd be okay with taking him, but I feel somewhat hesitant about it. Can't really put my finger on anything specific though, maybe just having a hard time feeling positive about anything Browns related right now.

I feel like there are interesting pass rushers that will be available later in the draft. I'm starting to really like Ryan Anderson, Alabama's "other" OLB. Williams gets most of the hype, but I really like Anderson's all around game. Discipline, awareness, technique all show up. I noticed him really in zone coverage at first, but when he's asked to get after the passer he can do that, too (Williams gets way more opportunities rushing it looks like from what I've noticed)

I kind of want to go safety, corner, then Anderson and either a QB who falls a bit (Watson maybe, hard to tell how the draft will pan out there) or BPA in the 2nd.

I like Adams from LSU, Humphrey and Fitzpatrick from Alabama, and Desmond King from Iowa. The history of Crimson Tide CBs recently worries me a little bit, but I think that's been bad injury luck as much as anything. If we ended up with just about any combination of 2 of those, I think I'd be happy with the draft.

Forrest Lamp is an OL who looks pretty good. There is talk of him being an OG at the next level, but I think he might stick outside.

I like Jonathan Allen.

If you plug him into the lineup it makes everyone else a little better.
You don't have to play Ogbah at 5-tech anymore.
IF his ability to win 1-on-1 vs OL carries over it creates a match-up problem on the inside playing next to Shelton that would make life easier for Ogbah to get more sacks which would make life easier for whomever lines up opposite Ogbah be it another draft pick or Orchard or Collins or Nassib or Holmes(who I really like)/Johnson.

And IF Allen can help the DL/pass rush it helps the overall pass defense.

My ONLY issue with Allen is that you get more production from an edge rusher than interior linemen.

What kind of production?

Sacks? Just because a guy doesn't get stats doesn't mean he is not producing.

What if he's Ndamukong Suh? Then he's totally worth the #1 pick.

j/c:

If the Browns have a very similar grade on Garrett and Allen, they should go w/Garrett.

Everyone knows that getting a qb is priority number one.

The next priority is to either get a guy who can rush the passer or protect the passer. Teams like Denver are proving that to be more and more true.

Think about it logically. If the qb is the most important guy on the field...........what do you do to stop him? Think of Cam's run through the playoffs last year. He was getting all day to throw and he was the league MVP. Denver pressured him and he didn't look so hot. This year, his OL is banged up and he looks awful. Pressure the damn qb.

Do you guys know that Denver beat Pittsburgh [Big Ben]---New England [Brady]---and Carolina [Cam] to win the Super Bowl last year? Why did they win? Their QB? LOL..........Nah, they got after opposing qbs and they have very good corners-----3 of them in fact. But Miller, Ware, Jackson, and Wolf got after the passer. It all started w/the two edge rushers, though.

And if you wanna beat teams who have good pass rushers......what do you do? You invest in the OL. Look at Oakland. I think they have the second best OL in football right now. They have a good QB in Carr and surrounded him w/weapons. They have a huge OL and they are in Denver's division.........they know they have to protect the qb.

So, after qb............everything else being equal......you gotta go edge rusher and LT next.

Would you take Suh or Von Miller?

Funny. I certainly can see your logic. But my only knock on Garrett is that you can probably get another good edge rusher in this draft, but probably not another 3-4 DE.

I'm with Vers on this one .. get a PASS RUSHER off the edge .. hell .. if u can get BOOK END PASS RUSHERS ... i'd be fine with that ...

Unless we deem Trubisky as the #1 pick .. i'd much rather take the edge rusher .. if like Vers says .. they have the same grade .. Garret and Allen ...

If we went Garret at #1 and Robinson with our 2nd rnd pick .. i'd be THRILLED ..

Look at Dallas's OL .. i don't think we really need anymore proof ...

That's the key. I don't know if they have the same--or almost identical--grades.

Well, the tricky thing is that we'd have to take a project 3-4 DE. Malik McDowell is really intriguing.

I think there are more edge rush prospects closer to Miles then there are Interior DL closer to Allen.

So, does that mean you would take Allen over Garrett?

Both are great, but if forced to choose I would take Miller.

My point wasn't that Myles Garrett is not good, just that there other ways to produce outside of getting sacks.

I'd be happy with either Allen or Garrett at this point.

Make it work for Watson.

He would be. But I think this year's class is really deep in a lot of positions and Malik just won't be BPA. I think Marquis Haynes is going to kill it in the NFL. What he's done to players this season. What he did to FSU's two tackles. I think he's going to kill it at the next level. He'll need to gain a fair amount of lbs, but the man can ball. He's almost as quick as Garrett, nowhere near the bend, but offers about the same amount of strength. I think he'll be a steal on the second day.

btw DraftBreakdown has the Alabama vs Arkansas game, which I think is a good starting point for Allen. Arkansas LT Dan Skipper is a big time mauler. He's 6'10, weighs a ton and can hit. Now he doesn't have the feet for an NFL tackle IMO, but he has the strength and then some. He and Allen get into a lot of shoving matches and go at it a ton in that game. There's a lot to be discussed in it.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jonathan-allen-vs-arkansas-2016/

Some of the things I noticed:
He can hold his own and anchor a d-line. Making sure he doesn't lose contain.
He commands double and triple teams
He's agile enough to run stunts successfully and blow up guards.
He's a tad slow off the line. I'd say he's probably the slowest on any given play.
Rarely uses his hands to fight with the opponent. Resorts to shoving.

This is a video of a highlight reel of the Arkansas & A&M game this year. You can really see how quick Garrett is when he plays against Skipper. He just takes a step, turns his hip and he's passes him instantaneously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC4uQG7MGCc

They're both going to be all pros imo.

Settle upon Deshaun

Go flotsam for Watson

Win one for Watson?

Since we can't go winless for watson. Also, the thought of taking a QB with either Allen or Garrett makes me puke in my mouth.

j/c:

This is a very comprehensive article about all positions. It's too long to post. Please read. There is a ton of information in here:

http://www.si.com/2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

If the eagles can keep losing and give us another top 6-8 pick, then it's a good chance we can grab garret and Watson.

That's what I hope happens.

Waste another 1 on Watson!

Take another reach on trubisky

Honestly, the way the QB prospects bubbled up this year, it makes me think the last thing the FO does is waste a #1 pick on a QB. If they learned anything from the Wentz pick it's that is what a top 20 QB looks like. I'm not sure any in the draft are as good as Wentz/top 20 QB (Besides Chad Kelly and Davis Webb).

Gimme Jimmy!

Go for Garoppolo!

Don't dis-a-gree with Jim-me-G!

Ahh, another soon to be trash ex patriot QB coming to set another franchise back.

I am really starting to warm up to Jimmy G. We can use our first 4 picks on impact players D & O mix and match, and still get a QB that at least has a few years in the NFL to take the curve, at least some of it , off. Talk about Win-Win.

You should probably educate yourself before you make generalizations like that. Not saying that in a mean way, but man, if anyone should know about the harm generalizations can do, it should be you.