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If I'm NE, I ride with Jimmy as my Backup, see what's going on with Tom, and if Tom ain't done, I Franchise tag Jimmy.

Bradys contract plus a Franchise Tag for Jimmy isn't much more than some people are paying for other QBs...

Or you could always trade Tom.......


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I don't think there is much of a chance of that happening. Too expensive.

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Originally Posted By: ThatGuy
If I'm NE, I ride with Jimmy as my Backup, see what's going on with Tom, and if Tom ain't done, I Franchise tag Jimmy.

Bradys contract plus a Franchise Tag for Jimmy isn't much more than some people are paying for other QBs...

Or you could always trade Tom.......


Wait, hold on...

A franchise tag means Jimmy would get paid an average of the top 5 of his position. Now, I'm no math expert, but I'm guessing that Brady and Jimmy G on a franchise tag would be a TON more than what they have available. Especially with needing to re-sign key defensive players.


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Brady only makes like 10 mil a season.

Drew Bree's was making like 30 a year or do ago.

Hyperbole is my friend.

But yeah, they're usually super cheap, so probably not..

But I don't really get the people against trading for Jimmy.

He's not much older than those in the draft, and already up to "NFL Speed"

If he wasn't a "New England Backup QB" people would be upset we already haven't traded for him..

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Originally Posted By: Thebigbaddawg
Originally Posted By: ThatGuy
If I'm NE, I ride with Jimmy as my Backup, see what's going on with Tom, and if Tom ain't done, I Franchise tag Jimmy.

Bradys contract plus a Franchise Tag for Jimmy isn't much more than some people are paying for other QBs...

Or you could always trade Tom.......


Wait, hold on...

A franchise tag means Jimmy would get paid an average of the top 5 of his position. Now, I'm no math expert, but I'm guessing that Brady and Jimmy G on a franchise tag would be a TON more than what they have available. Especially with needing to re-sign key defensive players.


The Patriots are due to have $60 million in cap space this off-season (they also have a ton of guys to sign).

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If you draft a college player like Trubisky who is 22 and has one year as a starter in college it would take him a minimum of 2 years to develop.

Garoppolo just turned 25 and is ready to play.

The main point is to get a quarterback who you believe can lead a team. Draft picks are assets. You use them to upgrade the team.

If Trubisky was a senior or had two or more years as a starter it would be a different story. As it stands now you have to project what he can do over time. That means risk especially if you have to take him with the number one pick.

Garoppolo at 25 is a long term answer if the Browns see him as a good quarterback now. Knowing that over time he also will get better.

In the end analysis it becomes a matter of what quarterback you see can be good asap and get better with time.


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Sad part Bones ... neither of them may be an option ... Jimmy not on the trading block and Trub don't come out ...

If Trub comes out .. RG3's play the rest of this year may determine who we acquire ...

And yes people .. i know he may not be healthy for more than a game .. thats part of the equation also ..




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Garopollo is just as much as a gamble as Trubisky. I still dont see the hype. Players who come from NE always get overhyped.


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Garoppolo is under contract with the Pats for the 2017 season at less than a million in salary, why would they trade him? Brady's going to be 40 before the 2017 season starts and they're going to need someone to replace him, soon.

They don't even need to think about resigning Garoppolo until the 2018 season or later in the 2017 season. Unless we offer to way over pay for him, why would BB even talk to us about it?


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If you draft a college player like Trubisky who is 22 and has one year as a starter in college it would take him a minimum of 2 years to develop.


Says who?

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We get VERY lucky if we get the opportunity to come full circle and sign Garrapolo. I felt like we should have been targeting him in 2014, but I had a second round grade on him. I doubt the Pats let him go to be honest.

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j/c....

Lombardi's on the Garaoppolo train....

Former Browns, Patriots exec Mike Lombardi thinks Cleveland will aggressively pursue trade for QB Jimmy Garoppolo in offseason
By Nate Ulrich Beacon Journal sports writer

Published: December 9, 2016 - 01:36 PM | Updated: December 9, 2016 - 02:01 PM

Former Browns and New England Patriots executive Mike Lombardi believes the two teams will likely agree to a trade in the offseason to send quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo to Cleveland.

“The next quarterback that’ll be the Cleveland Browns’ quarterback perhaps is Jimmy Garoppolo in New England,” Lombardi, a Fox Sports analyst, said Thursday on FS1’s Speak for Yourself. “I think Cleveland understands, [coach] Hue Jackson specifically understands he needs a quarterback. I think they’ll be very aggressive. I think Jimmy Garoppolo’s on top of their list, and I think they’ll go hard after him.”

It remains to be seen whether a deal is realistic, but there are reasons to think it would be.
Garoppolo, the backup of legendary quarterback Tom Brady, is scheduled to enter the final year of his rookie contract in 2017.

“I’m sure the [Chicago] Bears are going to make a phone call,” said Lombardi, general manager of the Browns in 2013 and assistant to the coaching staff of the Patriots from 2014-15. “There’s a lot of teams that are going to come after Garoppolo because there’s not a lot of quarterbacks. Mike Glennon from Tampa Bay will be available as a free agent [in March].”

The Browns have stockpiled picks in next year’s draft and own two in the first round and another two in the second round. Draft gurus are already calling the quarterback class weak, so perhaps Garoppolo would appeal more to quarterback-needy teams. North Carolina’s Mitch Trubisky, a Mentor native, Clemson’s Deshaun Watson and Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer are the top college quarterbacks.

“I think the Patriots will decide whether [to trade Garoppolo] based on the deal they’re offered,” Lombardi said, “and Cleveland has enough assets to entice them.”
Garoppolo, 25, has a career record of 2-0 as a starter with both of his starts coming this season when Brady served a four-game suspension for Deflategate. Garoppolo threw three touchdown passes before being knocked out of his second start Sept. 18 against the Miami Dolphins with a sprained AC joint suffered in his right shoulder during the second quarter.

A second-round draft pick in 2014 out of Eastern Illinois, Garoppolo has appeared in four games this season and completed 42-of-60 passes (70 percent) for 496 yards and four touchdowns without an interception, posting a passer rating of 117.1. In 15 career games, he has completed 62-of-91 passes (68.1 percent) for 684 yards and five touchdowns without an interception and a rating of 108.5.

The Browns’ new regime has already made two trades with the Patriots. In August, Browns head of football operations Sashi Brown sent outside linebacker Barkevious Mingo to the Patriots in exchange for a fifth-round pick next year. In October, Brown traded what’s expected to be a 2017 third-round compensatory pick to the Patriots for Pro Bowl linebacker Jamie Collins.

“[The Browns are] going to have to use those draft picks on a player, and if you can get a starting quarterback who can play in cold weather, who can do a lot of things that Hue Jackson likes to do, I mean do you want to give up all your assets or do you want to go after AJ McCarron who was [Jackson’s] backup [quarterback] in Cincinnati?” Lombardi said. “I think you’re better off going after Garoppolo and get the better player.”
McCarron is also under contract through the 2017 season.

Speak for Yourself contributor Jason McIntyre asked Lombardi how he knows Garoppolo would be better than other backups like Matt Flynn and Matt Cassel, considering the small sample size.

“Evaluation. That’s what you get paid to do — evaluate,” Lombardi said. “He’s clearly not Matt Flynn, and he’s clearly not AJ McCarron. He’s a better player than that. I’m just promising you that.”

As for Robert Griffin III, who’ll return from a fractured left shoulder and start for the Browns (0-12) against the visiting Cincinnati Bengals (4-7-1) on Sunday, Lombardi gives him no chance to be become the franchise’s quarterback of the future.

“RG3, I would say the chances of you resurrecting your career in Cleveland this year are about zero, and that would be the high end of it,” Lombardi said.

“I think RG3 has seen better days. I think it’s going to be difficult for him to prove to anybody in the final four games.”

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Sign your FAs.
Fill (some) holes in FA.
Trade for Garrapolo.
Draft BPA.


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Wow that is pretty cool.

I was speculating and a little hopeful. Now to see that maybe there is real interest I would be stoked.

When I watched him during his draft process I like him. As a Patriot now there information on him as a NFL player.

Real things that can be looked at through the eyes of the NFL. How he prepares. What skills has he shown in practice with the Pat's? How has he developed during his time in the NFL? Information can be gotten from direct sources.

As far opportunities outside of the draft: He is the best option in the market.

The QB's in this draft are risk filled because of the lack of experience. I think that Kizer and Trubisky project well. However, both will need time and patience.

They are far from sure things.

At this point in time Garoppolo clearly represents less risk.


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If Lombardi is saying it... I hope it's true. Now what I really hope is that the team gets another miracle deal for Jimmy G. Could you imagine if we just gave up our second 2nd or our third round pick?

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Brady clearly has another 2-3 years left at a reasonably high level, IMO. It all depends on how much BB likes (and trusts) Jacoby Brissett that will decide whether he trades Garoppolo.

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Mike Lombardi huh? Mike Lombardi that used to work for the Patroits?

Same guy that tried to kill Jamie Collins rep?

An "agent" or media in this case coming up going public with a scenario/or "information" that drives up/or alters a players trade value or perception?

Yup, sounds like the draft's official lying season has begun, lol

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How would Lombardi pimping the trade actually influence it?

Get real.

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Either of these QBs would be an improvement over what we have. I had no idea Romo was so old.

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What's the price for Garoppolo?

Some weigh in:

http://www.patspulpit.com/2016/9/22/1301...om-brady-retire

This a big topic. From most of the articles I have found a first rounder is automatic.

There are people that believe The Pat's will swallow both salaries to keep him. Meaning they keep him in 2017 and then franchise him. Brady is signed through 2019. He would be 43.

This is not a simple decision for anyone involved. There are many factors at play.

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