DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Who should we draft in 2017?

We drafted one last year who hasn't played much. I'm curious to see him.

I'm not that high on the Tackles in this class, particularly in comparison to the other players that are predicted to go in the same draft round. Robinson and Ramczyk could be solid tackles, but I think some of the defenders could be special.

I like Forrest Lamp as a down the road tackle candidate who could possibly be available round 3 or later.

Agreed. My preference is for Allen, but both guys are great prospects. Either one is a good get.

Got a QB breakdown thread going would be interested in your thoughts (Mitch v Duke)

You too Grimm,i believe you already have notes on that game?,

Anyone else also.

Mitch vs Duke is up.

They aren't going to draft a QB high because analytics have shown every FO that has got fired.

I believe we take Garrett or Allen with the first pick (Allen would be my choice) then with the second 1st rounder we have to take a QB either Watson or Trowbiski if its Trowbiski (My Choice) I think we could trade down a few spots and pick up a couple extra picks ... JMHO

Budda Baker is quickly becoming, IMO, the best ball hawk in this draft. I love his game so much.

"Ball skills" to me, will always be what you do with the ball in your hands. What you are describing is "cover skills."And yes we are QB needy but I don't see a QB worth taking #1 overall in this draft.

Dude is pure heart and soul. I'm really torn between him and Marcus Maye as a future free safety, who can be had in the lower rounds. He's such a great teammate, everyone in Seattle raves about him.

At this time I believe it should be Myles Garrett hands down. The biggest impact player on D in this draft.

I know we need a QB and I would love to name one. But in this draft I simply can't.

Having said that, here is a counter argument.

Allen will not only provide inside pressure but will make the defense more stout against the run
No doubt out defense needs to learn how to stop the run.
Pressure up the middle can be more disruptive than pressure from the outside.

Intangibles. I hear great things about him being a leader, both by word and example.
He might be the guy that has teh attitude to change the culture of the defense, if not the whole team.
I haven't heard bad things about Garrett but I haven't heard good things either
Seems like just another guy when it comes to leadership.
Garrett also seems to give up on plays too often for my taste.

How is Garrett's ankle healing? Will it become a lingering issue?

And you would be wrong.

One more thing..........why the hell would a team trade for the first pick to draft a qb if there isn't one worth drafting?

You are blowing my mind w/your "logic."

Lol...google "ball skills" then smart guy. I don't think you're gonna like what you find here.

Google the word "if" while you are at it. Because I said "IF" we get an offer for the #1 pick. Every teams Big Board is different (not sure how many times you've watched the draft). So....IF we get an offer for the first overall pick, like I said, it would be a team that thinks they have "found their man" at QB and therefore willing to sale their stock in future drafts to leapfrog the niners. Garret would have to be VERY special for a team to pay the price it takes to move up to #1 to get him. It's unlikely a team would use those kind of rescources to land a pass rusher. I'm not saying a team WILL want to move up...this QB class is a little iffy. But, once again, IF (can't stress the word IF here enough) a team comes a calling Sashi Brown needs to pull the trigger and move down. Ball skills is not just a CB's ability to get his head around and intercept. It's not just knocking down passes. It's all of those things as well as TAKING IT TO THE HOUSE once it is in your hands. Finding a man to pitch it to to extend the play. INSTINCTS while bearing the football. Go ahead...look it up for yourself.

You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

Here:

http://www.greatcornerback.com/ball-skills.html

http://www.playsportstv.com/football/football-defensive-back_backpedal-break-and-ball-skills

http://usafootball.com/blogs/u.s.-nation...coverage-skills

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330632/article/antonio-cromarties-ballhawking-tips

I was actually trying to help you out. But, since you got "smart," I will say that you don't have a clue as to what you are saying in a few areas.

Cool story. The point still remains though, Jabril Peppers has game changing potential. Whether it be in the return game, playing big against the run (something we desperately lack at the safety position right now) or creating points off of turnovers (no matter what you want to define it as the kid is electric with the ball in his hands.) Adams might be the more NFL ready guy, but at #7-10 in the draft taking a guy with the bigger upside isn't really a blunder. I remember another safety coming in here that was tough against the run but not so great at defending the pass.But with a little coaching, and some game experience, his coverage skills improved, he got a big deal in free agency, and won a suprbowl starting for the Broncos. Peppers has WAY more athletic gifts than T.J Ward. And with his size and quickness he is FAR more versatile. It's a rare thing, even in the first round, to find a guy in the secondary that is ready to start day one. They always need a little NFL grooming to reach their full potential. Once again though, if Garret grades out in the combine, and so does Trubisky, I'm advocating for us to select Garret at #1 and package our Egles pick with some of next years picks to move up to #3 and get Trubisky. I believe the Niners will select Keizer at #2.

I see many take a tackle at all in their Draft's ! I understand the first round absence ..

Talks are heating up about how similar Watson is to Mariota.

Man I really hope we go for him over Trubisky.

That should be in the fake news thread ...

I wouldn;t have a problem with taking Watson .......



With our 3rd round pick. Heck, maybe I'd even be OK with taking him with Tennessee's 2nd. Before that? I'd have to pass. This team needs legitimate difference makers. I am just not sure that Watson is one.

What round ?

james conner just declared ... he'd be someone to look at in the 3-4 round by someone

I love how deep this class is in secondary talent. It's also deep in pass rushers, runningbacks, and linebacker. It's weak at quarterback, but incredible everywhere else.

This team needs? Oh?
This team needs to get rid of Sashi, DePodesta, and Hue Jackson, immediately, if not already.
I'd advocate for it today; as I have zero confidence of them to do anything that long term makes this team better.
This is worse than 99', and we've seen spinning at the bottom of Niagara falls largely since 2006.
Bring back Pettine.
Why do I say 0-32? Because there are 32 teams in the NFL, the Browns can't reasonably compete with any of them, nor should be favored no matter which of the other 31 they face.

And if the real top dog decides not to change the leaders this year, it's going to take until this time next year 0-12, for him to admit he needs to try something else,
again.

I liked Pettine, but his clock management skills were just awful. The team as a whole wasn't very disciplined. As far as firing Hue though I think you're crazy. He's getting more out of this offense without a QB than I think anybody else could. Sasha and Depodesta had an overall decent draft last year, with the jury on it still mainly being out until we see what they do this year with the extra picks they acquired. Trading for Collins was a good move too. They said they were going to do a complete rebuild and so far, that's what this has been. We won't be 0-12 this time next year. We shouldn't expect to be in the playoff hunt...but we will be fielding a competitive team if they stick their guns this offseason. Lol, give it time. We have waited this long. Main thing this team has lacked since 99' is continuity.

I think there are a ton of good defensive players in this draft.

I think the QB and OL talent are both lacking.

Well, I did it all. Time to make me the GM!

Your score is: 8571 (GRADE: B-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 4 (CHI): Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 2 Pick 14: Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame (B)
Round 3 Pick 1: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (B+)
Round 5 Pick 30: Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (B+)
Round 6 Pick 5 (NYJ): John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A)
Round 7 Pick 26 (NYG): Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama (A-)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=1bd915c4-3ffc-412b-b3d8-3b625a1f6232

It''d be a good one but a lot of chips would have to fall into our favor for the Eagles pick to be at #4. I'm not opposed to packaging some picks though to move up come draft day. We should be the ones dictating it's direction not the other way around in this one.

I'm really interested to see what we do in free agency. There will be right tackles like Marshall Newhouse and Riley Reid available. We could also sign guards like JC Tretter or Kevin Zeitler. I'd just move Greco to center full time.

Offensive linemen are taking longer to adjust to the NFL coming out of college. This isn't like the older years where you could draft and plug a guy day 1 on the o-line. A lot of these guys are coming from spread systems where they're in a 2 point stance. We'd be better off signing some vets. I'm not saying we don't need o-line help. I just don't think it's smart drafting o-line.

How did you get the 4th pick?

Pulling off Miles and Allen would be an awesome haul.

NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: edromeo
YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 9135 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 11: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 14: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Artavis Scott, WR, Clemson (A)
Round 5 Pick 30: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Vincent Taylor, DT, Oklahoma State (

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=c233d3a8-0c6f-43af-bb33-e36e6bb7e049

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=f65ff517-8d7e-48f5-bfc1-99752b36a8b5


NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: edromeo
YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNS
GAME OVER!


Your score is: 9647 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 11: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (B+)
Round 2 Pick 14: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B)
Round 5 Pick 30: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)

Howard is someone I've looked at for a few years. I would like to draft him

Schefter-

Browns really like Myles Garrett. They have an astronomically high grade on him.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18253...sible-no-1-pick

Not sure any of the QB's are convincing enough for me at one. I'd go Garret at one for sure. Now, here's where I'd try to get creative and it may or may not be silliness. Even though we need alot I'd try to #1, pull a coup and go for Allen also. Yeah, it might eat up too many picks but our D instantly becomes killer. #2, try to swipe Robinson with my Philly pick and some other goodies to shore up that right side O line.

It may not be realistic but It could be a splash we're looking for. Either way for me, it's time to be bold. This stuff is getting old.

We need to draft some guys with attitude.
Some means guys.
We play soft and weak.

j/c:

Updated from Matt Miller over at Bleacher Report.

If we draft Kizer with Watson still on the board imma flip

Don't worry we're trading down our two first rounders anyways.