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Im guessing he comes out ... he may not even be the starter if he stays ... he definelty needs another year ... but losing the starting job can't help ... *L* ...

If he declares .. i'll be interested in your take ...

Your dead nuts about being comfie and the game looking easy for him ... he always looks like hes "confused" ....

I think he'd play DE ... at least that's my hope

Dawg. You DO NOT want a 255lb End in a 3-4 front. EVER.

You don't want Ogbah 2.0?

Everybody plays nickle as base in today's nfl. Why does no one get that. This 3-4 4-3 talk is not really important anymore.

Last I heard, he was up to 270 lbs. Furthermore, just as Predator said, teams are in the nickel about 2/3 of the time. That 3/4 vs 4/3 stuff is outdated.

Whether standing up or in a 3 point if garrett is a brown he'll be setting the edge or rushing the blindside 95% of the time.

This is a really cool interview with Garrett too. He's a 70's bands fan. He refuses to use social media because he sees it as a distraction. I remember him advocating people to support Hurricane Matthew victims.

Myles Garrett interview

I feel posters on this site will really like him as a person too.

Have you seen Allen play? He is a pass rusher as well as just an all around beast. He's the best DL prospect I've seen in a long time imo. I really love Garret, but just like Allen more.

https://theringer.com/myles-garrett-is-a-poet-texas-a-m-49dd3a466fa9#.98gd03vhc

Essential reading about the gentleman and scholar known as Myles Garrett.

Thanks to you and Candy for the links. Garrett is a grounded individual and he comes from a good family. He's a very impressive young man. He's also the best player in college football.

Hope the geniuses in the FO recognize that and draft him w/the first overall pick.

Great story, thanks. Seems there'll be no character concerns with him. I don't watch college football but if he's even close to his rep, we gotta take him. We need a force on D.

From everything I've seen and read he will kill it in interviews. He's a bright and very well grounded kid. The ONLY way his stock decreases in the offseason is if his ankle injury is permanent or something absurd like that.

How far is the talent gap between Garrett and the next best pass rushing OLB?

I'm almost completely on board with getting Allen @ 1, and the next best pass rusher with the second 1st we have.

Derek Barnett of Tennessee looks nice.

LE - Allen
NT - Shelton
RE - Ogbah
ROLB - Garrett
MLB - Davis
MLB - Kirksey
LOLB - Collins

Solomon Thomas of Stanford could be just as good as Allen.

I'll have to check him out

Solomon is a beast. He needs to add about 10 pounds, but he is just as good as Allen.

Don't but the " no difference between the 3/4 and the 4/3 argument "

Edge rusher. 34 OLB in "base" (30-40%) the rest of the time as nickel/43 DE.

Are we talking about the same Jonathan Allen?

Lol, you think Solomon Thomas is just as good?

Uh yes,

Solomon Thomas is an animal. If he played at Alabama you'd be taking about him too.

Oh, I know who he is, I've even drafted him a few times in some mock drafts. I'm surprised though that you consider him Jonathan Allen equal as a prospect.

Out of curiosity where would you play him on the Browns?

Dude...

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/zach-banner-vs-stanford-2016/

Solomon is #90 and goes against a decent RT prospect and gets owned quite a few times. The kid is quick and fairly talented. But he's nowhere near Jonathan Allen.

Question,

Who is the best offensive linemen Allen went against? Solomon produced against the best teams in his conference.

A couple other DL (5-tech) prospects that I like are Malik McDowell and Jake Repolgle...neither are on JA's level but...

Past two years? Tunsil, USC's Left tackle, Dan Skinner (Arkansas tackle), David Sharpe (Florida's tackle). Not to mention he goes against Cam Johnson every day in practice. What's your point here? Jonathan Allen has played against the top pro prospects in the nation and dominated.

No offense, but is there even a tackle prospect in the Pac 12 outside of Connor McDermott and the USC tackles? He might as well been playing in the sun belt.

So, who would you take, wise guy? You complain about everything.


Garrett is about as good as they get on a 10 year cycle. He is at or near the top of every board on the net and I fully expect in NFL draft rooms as well, but on your board he sucks.

Something tells me your board sucks.


Here is a clue. Most good players take plays off. Guys on the line take plays off if it is a other side of the field play. They just try to get in the way and save the energy for when it is their turn to deal. They will lolly around, moving that way, looking for a cutback run. That is a part of the plan. People have lanes to cover. What you and some consider loafing is them doing their job taking away cut back lanes. Everybody can't be sprinting to a point 20 yards up field. Some need to be lurking behind 5-10-15 yards up field. The further away from the play you are, the closer to the LOS you should remain.

I'm kinda curious what his "big board" would look like too. Calling Garrett lazy was just a dumb comment. He probably thinks Bosa is lazy because of last year too.

j/c:

One thing that many are forgetting in their zest to bash Garrett and praise Allen is just how good the supporting cast is around Allen at Alabama and how Garrett does not have as good of a supporting cast.

The NFL is full of Alabama players who have been disappointments in the pros.

I am not saying Allen stinks, but it's something to consider.

Excellent point.

Allen does get 1 on 1 situations.

I like em both, both excellent prospects. Preferring Allen for this team doesn't automatic make somebody a Garrett basher.

And lets be fair, when it comes to 1-on-1s Garrett see more of them then Allen.

Prove this statement.

Honestly, he's just so fast and lines up so far outside the tackle that most teams don't even bother to double team him. Heck, most teams don't even run at him. Nothing against him. It's a testament to his talent and strength. However, Jonathan Allen is always blowing up tackles and guards during stunt plays. But there is no doubt that he greatly benefits from the talent on that team.


I'm sure those statements will incite a load of controversy now.

It's a very good point, that I don't think a lot of people understand. As cliche as it is to say "give 110% on every play", the human body just doesn't allow it. You will wear yourself out by the third quarter going full tilt on every play, and your body will also wear down pretty quickly over the course of the season. You have to pace yourself.

Now, is he taking plays off as a runner blows right past him? Or is he easing up as the play goes the opposite direction and he has no real chance of getting him?

First, I asked this question earlier...where would play Solomon in this defense? (I have my thoughts curious about yours)

Since you asked....

There's the game-tapes, take a look and you'll see Allen getting doubled sometimes tripled teamed.

Then there is the very nature of their positions.
Bama often plays in a 34 front and in that front Allen plays everywhere including NT and 5-tech he also plays 3-tech and 6-7 tech DE. Allen is battling OT, OG and Centers. Garrett plays outside 7-9 tech and only occasionally plays 4-tech/DT dealing with OT/TE and RBs. I am not saying there is anything wrong with where he plays, he's an edge rusher so you wouldn't expect to be doing that other stuff.

No doubt Bama has talented players.

But specifically on the DL Bama lost talent this year when Reed and Robinson went to the NFL. Allen was productive when they were there and his production went up after they left.

because we don't have the #1 and #2 pick.

Why not take Myles Garrett and Allen in the first round, then Jamal Adams and Marlon Humphrey in the second?

They lost talent that they replaced with more high end talent. His production went up, but he's playing more snaps, too (I Believe).

Not really trying to argue, but pointing out that there is no quick and easy answer.

I do think that Alabama's D is much more stout across the board making individual players harder to avoid. Also, I think they have tighter coverage from their corners making QBs hold the ball longer.

I do think it is somewhat easier to make splash plays when there are no "easy yards" for other teams to take.

I think Bama's opponents probably faced a pretty high number of 3rd and long situations.

Is time to tackle/sack data available somewhere? Or time to pass for Bama's/A&M's opponents? I'm somewhat curious as to how those numbers shake out. Not to say that Allen isn't plenty quick.

Finals week, so I haven't had a lot of time to dig into film, but those are some quick thoughts/questions.