DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Garoppolo trade to the Browns...rumor

Trading a first for JG would be dumb. Just wait till Monday after the draft and JG's value will plummet.

Jimmy was an early round prospect, but when drafted you get him under contract for 4-5 years at a reasonable rate. Now he'll want paid and I think that has to affect the compensation some. Osweiler was an early round prospect, too, and him getting paid hasn't worked out the greatest for Houston (though there is still time)

I think the money is the issue for NE. How much can you afford to pay a backup QB? If you don't get him re-signed, he can leave in a year and you get only a late 3rd rounder comp pick. I'd offer a 3rd rounder this year and a conditional 5th to 3rd next. All of it contingent on a new deal getting signed. At least as a starting point.

When does the trade window open again?

We have 2 2nd rd picks in 2017 and 2018. I give them our 2nd 2nd rd. this year. And our 2nd 2nd in 2018. I think that is more than fair.

I didn't watch any of NE's games when he started so I can't speak with any real knowledge

I'm going to assume you did watch and didn't like what you saw? What was it that didn't excite you about him?

Anyway, when I hear the words QB trade and New England, you'll have to excuse me if I don't get excited.

I just don't see Belichick trading Garoppolo to anyone if he thought he was any good. Regardless of Brady's age. At 39 you are more brittle than you are at 30 so Brady (or anyone for that matter but more likely with age) could be one good hit away from the DL.

If Jimmy were all that and a bag of chips, nothing would stop Belichick from keeping him.

And that right there is the biggest problem.

People forget that Garoppolo injured his shoulder, that's why Briskett had to start.

What if BB is seeing jimmy G in practice and that's why he's willing to let him go?

There's plenty of examples of injuries throughout NFL history that seem relatively minor, yet have lasting effects on a player.

Combine that with the fact that Brady is 39, gonna be 40 next year, the best QB prospects for all we know could very well be gone before the patriots are on the clock in next years draft. Jimmy G is only 24-25? Been in the system 3 years and is -according to everybody on this board- better than the prospects coming out the draft, and BB is willing to part with that?

Something is up.

I just rather draft our guy than take a patriot QB backup. Posters can cry about me judging the system over the player, but that's just how I feel.

There are multiple QB's in the draft, as weak as it is, that are taller than him, same weight as him, more athletically gifted than him.

For all we know jimmy G could be damaged goods. He might not be the same as people remember him.

Yea, I rather draft the guy than try to give glory to yet another backup QB on this team. The crap has got to stop. It's not working.

And drafting QBs is?

League wide, yes.

On this team? We got to the playoffs with a drafted QB, and haven't been back since.

Wait, what? Are you saying we should draft a QB because Tim Couch got us to the playoffs in 1999?

I'm saying we should draft a QB because they have a better chance of success than backups from other teams.

He's perfect for us.... He's unproven and a great big huge risk. His accuracy is subject. He doesn't go though the progressions well. And the clincher.... he's known to hold the ball way too long. Trade our top picks now!

Got it. While I don't know if I agree with that as it pertains to the upcoming draft, that makes more sense.

If Jimmy has learned absolutely nothing over the past 4 years than he would still be the best QB prospect in this draft.

I think we should draft a QB too, but who the heck is going to START day one in 2017? The QB we draft?? Kessler?? Because each of those options is a mistake.

OK, maybe we succeed in accomplishing one of the best one-offseason O-Line rebuilds in history. Then, I'd feel ok w/ Kessler . . .

Until we need to push the ball deep.

let's go ahead and give the patriots our #1 overall for Jimmy G.

clearly to this board, he's worth it.

I do see your point and when I look back, I see one backup that was traded for and really truly panned out for the team that traded for him. Brett Favre really stands out, no body else really does. I admit, I'm not researching to see if I'm missing anybody, but on the surface, Favre stands out.

Yeah, draft your own. but for cryin out loud, please draft someone with ALL the attributes of a starter. LOL

JG is far better than ANY QB coming out this next draft. I don't think there is a single QB in this draft worth a first round pick. PERIOD. I said that back when I wanted us to draft JG that there would not be anyone worth drafting for years and so far it seems true. Some might argue for dak prescot but honestly with a run game like that and an O-line like that just about any QB could play well(my favorite way to build a team btw).

JG is so far above the quality of QB we have had playing for us it would be like night and day. He is VERY accurate. He is incredibly intelligent and a fantastic leader on and off the field. The Clark Kent looks doesn't hurt his popularity but he is a very humble and nice person. Joe Thomas would love him. He had 70 percent completions with 4 td and no interceptions in the games he played this season. He didn't get sacked any more than Tom Brady does. I mean JG looked fantastic before he got hurt.

I don't know that JG has that vertical arm strength that Hue wants though. I get the feeling that Hue wants a real gunslinger regardless of what he has claimed otherwise. JG is better off keeping his passes at 40 and under which to me is MORE than enough.

If we could trade a future 1st round pick or 2nd round picks split over 2 drafts then I would take him in a heartbeat and make him the starter from day one and never look back.

The Browns have to do something.

This is as a good an argument as any to go after Garrapolo.

Which means the FO won't.

They'll come up with some stupid reason like he hasn't played enough games. Meanwhile, they'll trot Kessler out there next year.

You have to hand it to teams like the Texans. Maybe Osweiler wasn't a great signing, but they didn't stand on the sidelines with their hands in their pockets either. They got in the game and tried something they thought would make a difference.

The Browns would rather collect 4th, 5th, and 6th round draft picks that will do nothing to improve the team.

Heck, I am really worried they will draft Watson.

I am confident they will do something that will bomb.

I guarantee you Bill will take the Browns second first round pick this year. Draft Garrett and trade the second pick to Bill and get Garappolo. Don't try to win the negotiation. Just do something that will help your football team win games. This isn't rocket science.

But the Browns have to be the smartest guys at everything. I don't see them doing anything like this.

If they take Garrett at 1 and make the trade for Jimmy G [something similar to what I suggested earlier...exchange firsts and give them a 3rd] I will be calling them geniuses.

i hope the Jets, Chicago, and San fran get into a bidding war over Jimmy G.


let one of them give up a potential first or high 2nd from him. he ain't worth that.

It instantly improves the defense and offense and injects life into the franchise. It also sends the message that the team is serious about turning this thing around and winning.

Hence, I do not see this happening.

We don't need to wait to condemn them. 0-16 is right around the corner. That's enough.

And as bad as it feels right now, it gets worse with each passing game. Even if you're expecting 0-16, the feeling gets magnified with each passing week and each terrible performance.

These guys have done nothing to inspire confidence that they will get it right. I think all we have is hope that they will get it right.

[video:google]http://www.nflfullhd.com/miami-dolphins-vs-new-england-patriots-18-sep-2016/[/video]


9/18 Pats vs Dolphins with Garropolo starting full game...actually you can every game there from this season...

Thanks.

Is Cody Kessler Jimmy Garoppolo lite?

Cody can sit his lite ass on the bench.

I dont think anyone would give up a 1st round pick for JG...or even a 2nd rounder...maybe a late 2nd rounder...I am thinking a 3rd.

I think you are dead wrong.

really? could be...but i would start talks with a 3rd this year and maybe a 2nd or 3rd next year...what do you think his value is?

#1 overall, apparently.

His value is what Belichick thinks it is. There is no hurry up and move Garoppolo on the Pats part. He's cheap to them next year. So if someone comes knocking they'd better be willing to pay a premium or go home.

I don't think he's worth anything more than a 1st or 3rd and second, but I don't think we should lose him because of a 2nd either.

Exchange first round picks and give them a 3rd.

It will probably take more, but that is what I would shoot for.

U and I will be disagreeing again if that happens ... *L* ...

I'll be fine with Garrett and Jimmy ... geniuses? ... PLEASE ....