DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Garoppolo trade to the Browns...rumor

Says the guy who wants Watson ...

Yes, because Watson is better than Jimmy G.

If Jimmy was coming out this year he'd be the #1 prospect. Dude was a baller in college, without the mental mistakes of Watson.

Let's quantify this.. Using the Draft value chart, we are talking about Trading the Philadelphia pick.. value of roughly 1300 points .. for the NE pick value of roughly 630 points, plus Garopolo. Now the Question is.. is Garopolo worth approximately 2 first round draft picks? Is he worth the equivalent of pick 30 and pick 26 ?? 1300 points on the draft value chart. Remember.. we picked up a proven Pro Bowl Middle Linebacker, from the Patriots, for the approximate value of 100 points on the draft value chart.

Huh?

Ahhh ... OK ... ...

That could be as well. It probably falls somewhere in between.

I can only assume you are talking about the Eagles pick...no way I would hand over the #1 overall pick

Yes, the Eagles' pick. That is why I said I would be thrilled getting Garrett and Jimmy G w/our two first round picks.

Jimmy Johnson's draft value chart. I think it's still seen as a golden rule, but I bet it'll change more in the next few years and we'll get a new chart entirely.

I guess I didn't get the "worth two first round picks" thang.

lol just wanted to be clear... I would be happy if we got them both as well. although I would prefer it if we can get him with a lower draft pick.

I'm thinking its going to have to be a real sweet deal for Billicheck to move him ..

They'll be in the hunt for the SB again next year ...

Jimmy's cheap ... no reason to trade him now ...

If Brisset gives bill the warm fuzzies in OTA's and TC u may see Jimmy moved then ...

This is not even close to the Collins decision ... Collins had become a detriment to the team .. Jimmy still has REAL VALUE as the back up to the most fragile position in football ...

With Tannyhill going down yesterday ... OVER 1/2 the teams in the AFC will have had their starting QB's miss at least 1 start due to injury ...

INCLUDING the Pats who had Jimmy start two .. get hurt ... Brisset start 1 and get hurt .. then a not 100% Jimmy started game 4 ...

Its going to take alot to pry Jimmy from the Pats ...

Yeah..............there is probably no way it happens.

I just like to think it would because it has the best chance of solving our qb woes.

Man, if we could get him in a trade........we could really make great use of all the draft picks we have accumulated.

But yeah..........the chance of it happening is very slim.

and apparently without the athleticism or credentials.

or wins.

Maybe. On one hand, Jimmy's value won't ever get as high during the draft. They could trade him and draft a piece to help them get to the SB. Jimmy has only one year left on his contract, so if they trade him after the draft, it'll be for far less. At that point Jimmy wouldn't have had an offseason to learn the playbook and it would hurt a team a lot to take him there and only have him for a year guaranteed. Bill knows that if he wants to get something for JG, this would be the optimal time to do it.

Swish............you speak w/a lot of confidence...........kinda like YTown does w/his meaningless stats and w/out watching the games. So, I have a question for you:

How many games and tapes have you watched of Jimmy G? How many for Watson?

I get the feeling that you just kinda grabbed an opinion w/out doing the research. Am I wrong?

What I was asking Vers.. Is it worth giving up Philly's #1 pick ( Approximately # 10 ) for New England's # 1 ( Approximately # 30 ) plus Garoppolo? That would place JG's value at approximately pick # 26 on the draft value chart.

Thanks for clarifying.

It's debatable, but I would make that trade.

I could be dead wrong. It's just an opinion. Nothing more, my man.

Not sure where to put this ...

Roger Goodell - C - Free Agent
USA Today's Tom Pelissero reports teams were informed on Tuesday that the salary cap is expected to rise to between $166-170 million in 2017.

The salary cap this season is $155.27 million, so it's roughly a $10-15 million increase. The cap has been steadily rising for years with the league just rolling in the money. With more cap space, contracts will keep getting bigger.

Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter Dec 13 - 8:19 PM

Probably the FO thread.

Like we'll spend it.

Wait..........maybe under Fantasy Football.

How many games did you watch of Wentz when you made your obviously wrong comments about him?

I've already laid out my reasoning for Watson in the tailgate tread. And I already laid out my reasoning why I want to draft the guy over trying to give yet another back up a shot here.

And you are absolutely wrong.

I've watched Watson last season and this season has been about 5-6 games. Including the playoffs last year.

I tried to watch Jimmy G in a big game, but he didn't really play in any that caught my attention.

If BB is really trying to move Jimmy G, then I don't want no part of him. For all we know, he isn't the quite the same player after that injury.

Why are you angry? It was an honest question.

You compared Jimmy G to Hoyer and Cassel, but they have very different pedigrees. It seems like you are classifying them all by "they all played for NE."

I've admitted I was wrong about Wentz. And for the record, I mostly said he wasn't a top 5 pick, but maybe a 15 type pick.

I am simply asking you if you watched much game tape of both guys? Yes or no?

Who said I was angry?

I watched the games Jimmy G started in NE. Sucked he got injured because he was playing well.

But did Briskett or however it spelt stepped in and played good. Then he started the next game and played really good.

I classify them that way because the situation dictates that I do. Again, the question of his shoulder and if his play or arm declined a bit is certainly a question as well. BB doesn't try and shop players for any ole reason.

So I already gave you the answer on Watson. I watched many games of his. Jimmy G, I watched the NE games.

I didn't watch Jimmy G in college cause I simply didn't care for him. He didn't play anybody, in my opinion.

I'm not a big fan of watson because he has a lot of bad habits that will bite him in the arse when he comes up to the next level. habits like trying to run it like a fullback at times, throwing across his body when pressured or on the run, and a tendency to make his wr twist back to the ball too much. He won't get away with those things in the nfl the way he does in college so I think he will have a tough time adjusting. He has a decent arm but only avg height. He does tend to hold the ball a little bit too long because he trusts his feet to bail him out a lot and that will also slow down his adjustment to nfl speed of the game. I don't think he is a bad QB but he will benefit himself if he goes later in the draft and can sit a year. I would not take him at the front half of the draft but maybe around 18ish?

The salary cap goes up? Every time it does we're at an even greater disadvantage. It should be the opposite since we have so much space, but the refusal to use that space increases the talent gap between us and the other 31 teams exponentially.

Geez, no one has suggested the #1 overall pick. No one.

Why not. If people are so hell bent on believing he's the guy, he's the future, then he should be worth the 1st overall.

Is Matt Flynn still in the league. He learned a lot under Rodgers. Lets grab him.

I don't think Garoppolo is worth the difference between a top 10 pick and the Patriots #1 (approximately # 30), but could accept that. I think the Pats should also toss in their 3rd round pick as well.

Garoppolo has started 2 games in the NFL, got injured and that is all we know about him, except for his college tape. He played for Eastern Illinois and was the 38th pick of the 2014 draft.

I think we would be over paying to trade a top 10 pick ( number 9 if the draft were today ) for a possible Super Bowl pick ( # 31 or 32 ). I could accept that .. but would not be happy about it.. I think we should get more out of a top 10 pick than that.

If you are trading for Garrapolo, you are assuming he's going to be your 10 year Franchise QB.

If that's the idea, then a Top 10 pick is a steal.

No it's not... The market defines a steal. Using reasoning like yours is how you get your stuff stolen.

If I were to guess, the FO doesn't really act on assumptions, more on beliefs. For example, take RG3. They believe that RG3 could possibly become a good QB, they don't assume he will be a good QB. As a result, they sign him to a mediocre contract for a short amount of time. As opposed to them giving him Glock Osweiler money. So, I would assume that the FO will base Jimmy's value on the fact that he's a backup in a system offense, has 1 year remaining on his contract (There could possibly be no future with Jimmy G, no guarantee that he'd re-sign), and he was a good college prospect. Taking all of those things into consideration, I do not see how the FO could value him over a second round pick.

I have to disagree with you.

If we trade for Garrapolo, it's because we believe that he can be a QB we can win with, and that he is a better option than other QBs available to us in the draft, and that the price we pay is in balance with the payoff in that proposition. If Tom Brady in his prime was available to us, then our top 4 picks would be a worthwhile starting point. Same thing if Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, or other great QBs were somehow made available in their primes. The equation has to more than balance for a team to make a move.

...I'm seeing 62nd pick of the 2014 draft on NFL.com, so late 2nd rounder.

The injury to his throwing shoulder could be an issue or not. Drew Brees seems to have flourished post injury. It depends on what the medical people say and a physical would be part of any deal.

I see our 3rd rounder this year being roughly equivalent to the pick NE initially spent on him and a future conditional pick being fair value for him.

I'm not all that sure that he's that much more than Kessler plus/2.0. He does have slightly better measurables across the board, but I think he benefits from having more experience and playing on a better/more established team as well.

I'm for trading for him at the right price, but I'm not sure how high I would go.

" The Patriots would almost certainly get a first-round pick for Garoppolo, which would then be moved for a three second-rounders to a team that missed out on landing Garoppolo and now needs to move up in the draft to pick a quarterback — who would be a stretch at that spot anyway. All the second-rounders selected will become All-Pros while the quarterback selected with the first-round pick turns into a modern-day version of Jimmy Clausen. "

Link

According to Yahoo News, a 1st and a 4th is the starting price. I imagine the Eagles 1st would be enough, as it's an early 1st.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/now-th...-162636351.html

n case any interested teams were wondering what the price tag for New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo would be, now we have an idea.

On “Kirk and Callahan” on WEEI in Boston, ESPN’s Adam Schefter said the starting point in negotiations would be a first- and fourth-round pick. That’s what the Minnesota Vikings gave up for Sam Bradford a few months ago.

That price is fair, considering Bradford had proven to be mediocre – a trend that has unsurprisingly continued this year – and Garoppolo still has the mystery element to him. But would you give a first and fourth for Garoppolo?

Here’s what we know about Garoppolo. He has the pedigree of a late second-round pick. He has a sparkling 107.4 rating, but that comes over just 93 career passes. He has five touchdowns and no interceptions, and has generally looked good in his limited NFL action. He has played well within the Patriots’ scheme, though there are moments you are reminded he’s very inexperienced (for more read these two Greg Cosell breakdowns here and here). ESPN has also said the Patriots might not trade Garoppolo, but it’s just smart business for the team to put that message out there and protect his trade value. Maybe the Patriots hold onto him, but let’s assume they’ll listen to all trade offers.

If you could just bottle up what Garoppolo has shown over 93 NFL passes and assume he’d keep doing that in a different environment for the next 10 years, you’d be thrilled to trade just a first and fourth for him. But we know that’s not guaranteed. Brock Osweiler had seven promising starts with the Denver Broncos last season, he was a former second-round pick and the Houston Texans gambled a big contract on him. That didn’t work out. Osweiler was benched for Tom Savage two games ago. No matter how good Garoppolo has looked in limited action, you’d be trading a lot for a player who will be making his third career start on opening day next season.

And unlike a potential Garoppolo trade, the Texans didn’t even have to give up any draft picks to get Osweiler. Garoppolo’s rookie contract is up after 2017, so a team would have to give up the picks in a trade and give him a mega-deal to him before he hits free agency – no team is sending a first- and fourth-round pick to New England for one year of Garoppolo. So a team has to understand it is investing valuable draft capital and perhaps an Osweiler-type contract (even if it doesn’t reach the $18 million a year Osweiler and Bradford got, it won’t be cheap), and is doing so on a quarterback who has 93 career passes. The risk is obvious.

So now that we know generally what the Patriots will want when the trade window opens this offseason, teams in need of a quarterback have to ask themselves if Garoppolo’s small NFL sample size is worth a major commitment.

Obviously that is too much, but you might as well start off asking for the highest possible return.

Maybe true. But that's yet to be proven other then playing as backup in the NE machine. He went late in the second round at #62 so giving the Pats the first pick of the 2017 3rd rd and possibly adding a another later rd pick this year or next could sway him. But I wouldn't trade first round picks with NE. No way!

Way too much. I can't see anyone giving a number 1 and another pick for a late second rd draft pick. He hasn't proven he's a keeper in NE yet. And really I don't think they are that serious in a trade for him unless they see they can fleece a team like the Browns out of a bunch of top picks. Buyer beware.