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and leads the league in INTs this year with 17.

I don't think there is any chance Cousins hits the market.

Neither here nor there its funny how perception guides peoples opinion of value.

People on this board are talking about a 1st round pick for Jimmy G but a 2nd round pick for Cousins...interesting...

Wonder if we'll ever have another FB. Its freaking ridiculous that we still don't have one. Speaks to how out of touch the front office is. Some may call it crazy but that's just my opinion. If you want to run the ball you need a good FB. It would be so easy to get one to, however unfortunately we don't put a premium on running the football.

I think it's almost certain that Washington keeps Cousins. However, if they did trade him........the cost would be astronomical.

We should offer to trade RG3 to the Redskins for Cousins, straight up.

Your opinion is wrong. Who is the Cowboys fullback (they have the leading rusher in the league)? The 49ers fullback (fourth in the league in rushing)? The Cardinals (David Johnson, third in the league in rushing)? Le'Veon Bell and his 1,053 yards in ten games, where is his fullback?

The Texans (fifth in the league in rushing) have a fullback (Jay Prosch), he has played only 17% of the snaps this season. Tennessee (third in the league in rushing) has a fullback (Jalston Fowler, who I love), he also only plays 17% of the snaps. The team with the most rushing yards, the Buffalo Bills, plays their fullback (Jerome Felton) 26% of the time.

You are either misinformed or making things up.

Well I'd rather have a decent fullback than not have one at all. If there's a chance to get a rather good one without having to over pay, then I would do so instead of neglecting the position entirely, which I think we're currently doing. Its not a sexy position but I want someone there who is reliable and a good blocker. I don't even know what we have now. The last full back I remember having is Lawrence Vickers and that seemed to work out pretty well for us.

I tried finding a place to see just 3-4 DE's but having a hard time finding a site.

Jonathan Cooper G 26 CLE TBD $3,637,251 UFA -
Stephen Paea DE 28 CLE TBD $1,900,000 UFA -
Britton Colquitt P 31 CLE TBD $1,700,000 UFA -
Austin Pasztor G 26 CLE TBD $1,671,000 UFA -
Terrelle Pryor WR 27 CLE TBD $1,671,000 UFA Market Value
Jamie Collins OLB 26 CLE TBD $940,250 UFA Market Value
Corey Lemonier OLB 25 CLE TBD $675,813 UFA -
Jordan Poyer FS 25 CLE TBD $555,064 UFA

Thought I would our own FA's out there...

Vickers is some mythical creature that only exists in the memories of the uninformed. He was with the team from 2006 to 2009. During those seasons we ranked 31st, 10th, 26th, and 8th in rushing yards.

If you can the ball well without a fullback, then why is it necessary to have one. For tradition?

We cut Lemonier today.

Pryor, Collins, and Pasztor basically have to be re-signed. I don't think Pasztor is good, but he would provide tremendous depth.

Jonathan Cooper G 26 CLE TBD $3,637,251 UFA - We need to keep based on the last game.
Stephen Paea DE 28 CLE TBD $1,900,000 UFA - feh
Britton Colquitt P 31 CLE TBD $1,700,000 UFA - prefer to keep
Austin Pasztor G 26 CLE TBD $1,671,000 UFA - I would like to Keep.
Terrelle Pryor WR 27 CLE TBD $1,671,000 UFA Market Value Would very much like to keep - but at the right price and contract. He is not yet a true elite #1 ... he has that potential but he isn't there yet
Jamie Collins OLB 26 CLE TBD $940,250 UFA Market Value I'd overpay for this guy ... draft Garret and a top safety or CB - add a CB or S in free agency - and our D looks much improved
Corey Lemonier OLB 25 CLE TBD $675,813 UFA - feh
Jordan Poyer FS 25 CLE TBD $555,064 UFA feh


I'd take Cousins at QB in a heart beat - even if we needed to cut RG3 as a result of that. Don't see it happening in a million years.

At RB I'd sign Knile Davis or Michael Christie on a quality back up contract/money. But Crowe and Duke are more than capable and we have much bigger needs.

At WR I'd add a vet speedster if possible - Deshaun or Percy would fit the bill but I'd be leary of those 2 because of attitude.

Bennet at TE would be interesting ... not sure what that contract would look like. I would not do it for top 10 TE money. But 2nd tier for sure.

I don't know any of the Centers - but I'd sign someone just because. Regardless of how Erving pans out the next few games, a C is high on my 'must add' list.

I'll look at the D in a bit...

Is Crow a RFA?

Eddie Lacy RB 25 GB TBD 5 360 28 $848,103 UFA Market Value

Zach Brown ILB 27 BUF TBD 13 121 3 6 2 1 $1,250,000 UFA

Courtney Upshaw OLB 27 ATL TBD 10 16 1 3 1 $1,250,000 UFA -

Nick Perry OLB 26 GB TBD 12 48 8 12 1 $5,050,000 UFA -

Nick Fairley DT 28 NO TBD 13 36 6 17 $3,000,000 UFA -

Dion Jordan DE 26 MIA TBD 4 $5,143,077 UFA -

Jordan Mills RT 25 BUF TBD $1,671,000 UFA -

Menelik Watson RT 27 OAK TBD $1,198,713 UFA -


Alshon Jeffery WR 26 CHI TBD 10 630 15.8 1 $14,599,000 UFA Market Value

Marquess Wilson WR 24 CHI TBD 3 160 17.8 1 $551,787 UFA

Markus Wheaton WR 25 PIT TBD 3 51 12.8 1 $702,844 UFA -

Michael Floyd WR 27 ARI TBD 13 446 13.5 4 $2,492,875 UFA Market Value

Eddie Lacy RB 25 GB TBD 5 360 28 $848,103 UFA Market Value

D.J. Hayden CB 26 OAK TBD 11 37 1 $2,580,925 UFA -

Stephon Gilmore CB 26 BUF TBD 13 41 5 $3,021,038 UFA Market Va

Eric Berry FS 27 KC TBD 13 62 3 $10,806,000 UFA Market Value

Bradley McDougald FS 26 TB TBD 13 73 2 $2,553,000 UFA

I know they all should make it back their teams. but in a perfect world I would chase some of these guys. never know might be able to pull one or two away from their teams. would be nice to land some quality FA's.

fill out the rest of the roster with Draft picks...hmmm...i can dream.

I would also like to keep Colquitt and Cooper

michael floyd just got cuts after that DUI so his value hes gonna be cheaper.

We know nothing about Cooper and Colquitt is a punter. They are inconsequential at this point.

I don't mean to be the turd in the punch bowl, but you know we aren't signing any of these guys right?

Is there a list of guy who we will be cut from their current team? That's the list we should looking at.

I think we have a .1% chance to pull Cousins away from the 'skins.

my list was just a quick glance and hey "he is good and coming free"

I'll look more closely at the FA's a little bit later tonight when I have more time..then I should have more of an idea of who if any we might be able to get and should go after.

Jay Cutler, Colin Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, and Tony Romo will all probably be available as well.

Meh. If they re-sign Pryor and Collins, I'd bet they sign the rest of our FA's again (Who is going to sign Poyer lol). And if that's the case, they might spend some money in FA since they won't have any comp picks to worry about. I could see them trying to find some deals with the midrange players. I don't think they'll make any big splashes during FA though. I think they want to find their QB then go all out in free agency, try to stretch out that 5 year period of flexible cap before you sign your QB to a big money contract. That said, I hope they get Dion Jordan.

I do not think Romo would come here...but he is good....Cutler is an upgrade...Colin would pass on...now Tyrod Taylor is interesting especially if they part ways with him..

ya know Swish...almost put Floyd on my list...but then thought about the DUI and passed...but I do like the kid

Stallworth happened ages ago. We've had like 10 fiascos since then. I think we should bring him on. He'd be a great mentor on the field. Our most experienced WR is Andrew Hawkins. We need some age in that department.

I hear ya, an yup we do need at least one decent WR vet on our team... besides Hawk'.

Michael Floyd has Greg Little level hands recently. Add the off the field stuff and No thanks.

I wasn't necessarily talking about those players with relation to our team, just that they might be available.

Chandler Jones is a pipe dream, but maybe if we resign Collins he could help us recruit him.

Give me AJ Bouye.

j/c:

I am not sure why people are thinking the Browns will be players in the FA market? Didn't they say they were going to build through the draft? Also, they hardly did anything in last year's FA period.

Yeah, they'll probably do as they did this year, and try to find some young free agents they think are ready to step up. I just hope that they do a better job in that aspect this time around.

He was here through 2010. That was when Peyton freaking Hillis had 1,177 rushing yards and 11 touchdowns. I think that was also the last year we had a 1K yard rusher (can't remember exactly on that though).

I know that I am on the very unpopular side, but he did one hell of a job at taking out the edge sealers or honing in on that one free linebacker or safety. If you can, watch the Carolina game in 2010 to see what a difference he made.

I respectfully disagree with Peen's assessment that you could do the same thing by putting a guard in the backfield. Maybe on short yardage situations that could be true, but a FB like Vickers was much quicker and more agile than a guard would be. He could get to the edge and the second level a lot quicker to seal his man.

I think he was replaced with Owen Marecic that following season. We all know how that went. Vickers went to Houston, who almost had 2 thousand yard rushers that season.

Well, look around. Do you think they want to go through another year next year like this past one? They can still build through the draft, (considering the amount of picks they have this year), and still add several vets. to help smooth the transition. I just don't see them sitting on their hands in FA. I think they took a lot of heat this year and just don't want to take a chance of not winning at all next year, which I think you were implying in other posts.

Will they sign a FAs? Yeah, I'm guessing they will but I expect it to be more about depth than a big splash. Maybe a cheap vet. If they do sign guys to monstrous contracts with guaranteed $$, I will be concerned that they've panicked and already punted on the plan. From the outset, the FO said building through the draft is a priority. I want them to stick to that plan, for better or worse. Signing FAs generally has not worked out for us. I think people continuously forget that. Karlos Dansby has been the one in recent memory that worked for us in terms of getting value for the contract.

I don't think they are going to do much in free agency. We'll see.

I think your talking like it's a all or nothing thing, I don't think that way. We could sign a couple of higher end FA in certain spots to help us out and it would not mean panic or jumping ship. It would be more about easing a rookie into the mix and having a vet. for stability. No reason we can't ease into this with both.

I don't think they will either. I don't think it's because they have a hard and fast rule against it, but unless the FA is someone like Collins, young and someone you can bring in and could/would be a foundation type of player, I don't see them spending the time or money.

Once you get past guys like that... I can see the rationale of passing on signing a FA looking for his possibly 3rd contract, with declining production and instead plugging in a 3rd Rd talent and letting him take his bumps and develop.

I think there's a big difference in what you and some others are talking about in FA. I'm talking about a few higher end FA that are Young and like 2nd contract. I think your looking at the FO like they will not sign high priced older FA. I agree, I don't think they go after the older Vets. But will the younger guys. I think that is the difference.

Let me put it this way...I don't want them signing players to contracts like the ones Kruger, Bowe, Bryant, Whitner, and yes, even Dansby got. You can get vets, but get cheaper ones. Again, signing FAs in massive deals has generally not worked out for us, or for most teams for that matter. This has been my stance for every regime. I think trading for someone like Jamie Collins is a way to work a FA approach while having exclusive rights to him. With the cap going up, thus the price of FAs will follow, and teams undoubtedly will overpay like they always do when bidding wars commence.

I think your making my case for me. You stay away from older high priced vets. I don't know how I could make that any clearer.