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MARTY...MARTY...MARTY...MARTY...  If Cowher is being considered, why not Shottenheimer??? 
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I don't view Chud and Grantham as Romeo's assistants...I view them as Phil's assistants with Romeo being senior assistant.
I wouldn't be shocked to one day see both coordinators named co-headcoach and Savage on the sideline on gameday deciding when to go for it and throw a red flag.
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Am I the only one here who thinks hiring Cowchin would be a huge mistake?
No you're not.
But I've decided not to go into my rant on the subject as yet.
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its way to much ... its been proven and IMO is a dying situation .. Parcells started it and the trial period is over and the results weren't good .. it FAILED ...
Yeah.......no way could we get to 6 and 10 or 4 and 12, and then be picked by about everyone out there who isn't a Brown's fan to be looking at another top 5 pick this year.
Hard to reach that type of success. 
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I'm wondering if these are true statements or just something that was some little rumor that keeps getting retold and passed along until it becomes a completely false story.
I mean, the '07 season hasn't even hit training camp, and he's meeting with teams for '08? I can't say I'm believing this.
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Good point. And who even knows for sure if he would want full control? The people that reported it first are not always reliable.
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Didn't Cowher have full control in Pittsburgh?
I know they had a guy making decisions, but I thought Cowher had final say?
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just something that was some little rumor that keeps getting retold and passed along until it becomes a completely false story.
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Maybe to Coach here he won't ask for complete control. This is a great fit for him to re-do what he did in Pitt.
However, don't give up on RAC yet. I really think RAC has what it takes to lead us to the playoffs. Now he has a better team/coaches and is really under the microscope this year. If the team doesn't make a big enough improvement vs the past 2 years then Bye Bye.
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The word I am getting is that Cowher does not want FULL CONTROL....IE GM/COACH....he wants to bring in his own GM.
Word is he wants to take Kevin Colbert(GM) and Omar Kahn(Contract negotiator) from the Steelers FO.
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Maybe to Coach here he won't ask for complete control. This is a great fit for him to re-do what he did in Pitt.
I don't know.. I don't think anyone knows.. this is all speculation and very premature at that. We haven't begun TC yet for crying out loud.
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Regardless of the intelligence of that.. it's more than likely a true statement. Even tho I'm not that wild about RAC, I favor continuity at this point. If you stay on a Merry Go Round.. the only direction you go is in circles.
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I want Romeo to by Gawd coach this year, let 'em hang out in crazyland and play some hardcore footbal as if his coaching depends on it (it does). But if he fails for any reason or any combination, enuff serendipity: Roll the dice with a new DawgCatcher in the Pound on da Pond. Bring Cowher. I believe the missing piece is the style of game we call or fail to call. Open it all up Let's winn some fer Gawd's sakes and make Sunday fun again (and Mondays too for that matter). Cleveland Rocks!   Score!
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The word I am getting is that Cowher does not want FULL CONTROL....IE GM/COACH....he wants to bring in his own GM.
Word is he wants to take Kevin Colbert(GM) and Omar Kahn(Contract negotiator) from the Steelers FO.
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that makes a lot more sense to me then full control.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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and what if he doesnt like our roster...
then another destroy and rebuild... and to top that. we dont have a 1st round pick next year..
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He won one superbowl....and many Browns fans said the Steeleers stoled it because of the Refs.....
So ....no I reallly don`t think of him being that great........jmo.......
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He won one superbowl....and many Browns fans said the Steeleers stoled it because of the Refs.....
So ....no I reallly don`t think of him being that great........jmo.......
I completely agree.. he just has rank b/c he has been a coach for the same team for YEARS!!! sometimes people go blind w/ some of the nonsense they believe..
Just keep RAC for YEARS to come, and i guarantee you if he was head coach for the Browns for as long as Cowher was for the Steelers, the Browns could get a ring too..
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"...Just keep RAC for YEARS to come, and i guarantee you if he was head coach for the Browns for as long as Cowher was for the Steelers, the Browns could get a ring too.. "
You'll never be able to prove or disprove that statement as RAC is gone by Turkey Day
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I would much rather have Schottenheimer back.
I do not like Cowher.
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However, don't give up on RAC yet. I really think RAC has what it takes to lead us to the playoffs. Now he has a better team/coaches and is really under the microscope this year. If the team doesn't make a big enough improvement vs the past 2 years then Bye Bye.
You know...........there are quite a few posters who share the belief that the talent and new coaches are so much better, yet when I make a thread that examines all this talent that we have on offense, only a couple of people who are in that camp dared post on my thread.
Why is that? Could it be that perhaps all that talent isn't there? Could it be it's much easier to say it is w/out backing it up w/sound logic? Could it be that it is much easier to hang one man out to dry rather than deal w/the real issues?
Oh and 337, I'm not really picking on you. You don't post much in this forum anyway, but it was a good opportunity to get my point across. There are numerous people running around here talking about our increased talent, yet they don't come on a thread that was designed to discuss that talent.
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He won one superbowl....and many Browns fans said the Steeleers stoled it because of the Refs.....
So ....no I reallly don`t think of him being that great........jmo.......
I completely agree.. he just has rank b/c he has been a coach for the same team for YEARS!!! sometimes people go blind w/ some of the nonsense they believe..
Wow-Za! He isn't that great of a coach, huh?
You guys get blinded by the Super Bowl. I'd say fielding a team that plays hard, makes the playoffs most years, plays meaningful games late in the year, wins it share of division titles, shows character, wins way more than it loses, etc... is coached by a damn fine coach.
Do you guys even watch the games? After watching the Steelers for years, how can you even say such a thing?
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Aren't we jumping the gun here. I mean hell......Training Camp hasn't even started yet and we are allready talking about switching HC and possibley GM's. But I guess that's what these forums are for.........so I'll chime in too......  . I think Cowher is a great coach, as Vers stated, while only 2 SB's and 1 victory isn't "great", most years he had his team at least in playoff contention late into the yr., not always with great talent (anyone remember Kordell ?). I think most of us would take that. My problem is the same as most others on here seem to think.........Changing systems/coaching staffs yet again. I really am praying that we have a decent yr., at least showing improvement enough on Defense or Offense, with our limited talent, that if Romeo is let go, that one of our coordinators can step up, this would allow for very limited change. i.e: we go 6-10 or 7-9 and our defense steps up into a top ten defense, this should be considered quite an accomplishment considering our D-line. Romeo steps down and Grantham steps up, I could see most of our staff staying intact if this were to happen. Possibley letting Tucker step into the D-Coordinator role, allowing us to keep our defensive scheme and giving Chud another yr. with his offensive scheme/playing style. Can this happen.......hell, I don't know, but as long as we a going to step into fantasy land about Cowher being our coach next yr., before TC even starts, I figured I'd throw something else out there.
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Let's get this straight. I want RAC to remain as the coach. It's a big reason I started the Offensive Breakdown thread. But, chances are he is going to be the scapegoat. And if we do replace him, I sure don't want an unproven guy like either of our coordinators to take over.
I would want the best and Cowher is the best.
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Has Cowher said he wants total control somewhere? or are we still assuming this PFT article was true? I don't recall seeing him actually say it.
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Aren't we jumping the gun here. I mean hell......Training Camp hasn't even started yet and we are allready talking about switching HC and possibley GM's.
This discussion started when Cowher announced his retirement.....
I don't want to change the stabilty or continuity in this franchise yet again either.....but it's a possibility that has to be considered.
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I understand Vers, I sincerly hope this conversation is mute also, I hope we exceed everyones expectations and there is NO question that he AND HIS STAFF return intact next yr. My only line of thinking is if something DOES have to change.......how do we do it without starting all over again, because you know as well as I do that a new head coach is going to bring in AT LEAST one new coordinator and new schemes. My example may have been extreme, but is it really that unreasonable? This will be Granthams 3rd Yr. as D-Coordinator. If he can get them to play above and beyond........is it that far fetched to think that he will be looked at as a HC candidate, if not by us than by another team? Also, As you stated in earlier posts, you don't really want to see us turn this team over yet AGAIN. Is there another way you see us getting a new coach without major upheveal? I guess my whole piont is that I am tired of seeing us switching coaches every 2 or 3 yrs. since our return. This was my attempt to at least lessen that pain again.
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"...My only line of thinking is if something DOES have to change......."
The constant coaching carousel contributes to the chaos and lack of any meaningful improvement. With that being said...what if RAC is not the man to properly direct the other coaches nor is the man to game plan properly even after we do improve talent wise.
My simple opinion is that RAC is not confident enough in himself nor does he project to others the level of competitency needed to step out of the basement of the AFC North division.
Give him 2 more years...it won't be nearly effective enough.
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Oh and 337, I'm not really picking on you. You don't post much in this forum anyway, but it was a good opportunity to get my point across.
It's np, I understand your point.
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I think Cowher would probaly take the Panthers job. I believe He lives down in that area anyway and he would probably gain more control in that franchise.
Now if Romeo gets the axe, I think Rex Ryan, Ferentz or one of the assistants becomes the next HC. I do believe it will be a very small list that Phil will go through and it will be someone that he has close ties too.
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Wow-Za! He isn't that great of a coach, huh?
You guys get blinded by the Super Bowl. I'd say fielding a team that plays hard, makes the playoffs most years, plays meaningful games late in the year, wins it share of division titles, shows character, wins way more than it loses, etc... is coached by a damn fine coach.
Do you guys even watch the games? After watching the Steelers for years, how can you even say such a thing?
Come on Vers...The guy was put into one of the soundest teams and ownership ever.....Surrounded by talent......
And only got one Superbowl Championship....and a cheap one at that........
All those other games don`t mean crap....How would you feel if the Browns played like the Steelers....but could never win the big one?.....
And yes i watch the games....the ones against each other....I don`t spend my Sundays watching the freakin Steelers.....
And I don`t believe Cowher could of made anything better out of the BS mess this org was in..........
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You'll never be able to prove or disprove that statement as RAC is gone by Turkey Day
and you are able to prove that RAC will be gone by Thanksgiving how??
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All those other games don`t mean crap....How would you feel if the Browns played like the Steelers....but could never win the big one?.....
Deisle, I'd be ecstatic if the Browns were close to a respectable football team in the NFL.
Whoever said Cowher isn't that good of a coach is stupid, his team has consistantly been decent for awhile. There's 32 teams going for a superbowl, every coach that doesn't win sucks? That's rediculous logic, sort of like when Peen's will say "If we don't win the superbowl our season was failure." Well i'll tell ya, if we go 10-6 this year our season isn't a failure; dream come true in my book.
I really just want something to cheer for at this point. So yeah, I don't mind clobbering the rest in the league and consistantly getting into the playoffs; being given that chance to win the trophy but may be coming up short sometimes (If that's what we would get with him). Sure beats what we've been doin lately, lol.
PS The last thing during the regular season that we had anything to be excited about was that Playoff run we had a couple years back. Beat Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn on the goal line stand to get into the playoffs on the back of Willie Green and Holcomb/Couch. Then we got squashed in the 2nd half to.......Bill Cowher's squad.
I'm not saying I want Cowher, but he's right up there with Schottenheimer if RAC hits the road
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Deisle, I'd be ecstatic if the Browns were close to a respectable football team in the NFL.
Me too Petey D......The fans of the Browns are so thirsty for a Superbowl....IMO.....And nothing will please us until that Trophy and rings are the Browns.......
How often do you see.....Not winning it all....isn`t enough......Ask the Cavs fans.....
Like I say....Cleveland is HUNGRY for a CHAMPIONSHIP..............
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Whoever said Cowher isn't that good of a coach is stupid, his team has consistantly been decent for awhile.
I stated that I did`nt think he was that great......yes he`s a good coach....but imo....not great........as you say his teams been decent for awhile....If he was great...then his team would be great.....the Steelers are just good....(yuck,hate saying that)
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Cowher is a very good coach.
at age 38, he became the youngest coach to lead his team to a Super Bowl. Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach, joining Pro Football Hall of Fame member Paul Brown. In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers have captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles. It has become an article of faith among NFL pundits that the Steelers do not have a bad team two years in a row – they have never lost 10 or more games in consecutive years since the 1970 NFL merger. At the conclusion of the 2005 season, the Pittsburgh Steelers had the best record of any team in the National Football League since Cowher was hired as head coach.
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Just clickin: I like Cowher (da Chinster) just fine as a HC, I'd welcome him to The Browns as a HC.....and that's it. I would not want to see Cowher as GM or even brining in his own guys, I like Phil Savage and what he has done so far, specifically in the draft and FA. I see NO reason to get rid of Savage at this point and time. Also, I don't think Phil's and Romeo's destinies are linked, that's just ridiculous too me. I think RAC could be fired (only if we have another really bad season) but Savage would firmly remain the Browns GM. Maybe Cowher will become the next Browns HC and maybe not? I don't care who the HC is, as long as the Browns have the talent to become a respectable winning team and ultimately bring home a Super Bowl Championship. btw, Cowher has been a VERY GOOD HC, hey Marty is also a VERY GOOD HC despite either of these two winning lots of SB titles, 2 appearances and 1 win between the two of them and YEARS of coaching between the two as well. So you can be a VERY GOOD HC and still not win the BIG game. IMO
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You'll never be able to prove or disprove that statement as RAC is gone by Turkey Day
and you are able to prove that RAC will be gone by Thanksgiving how??
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Wow, here we are some of the most faithful of the faithful, and even WE are talking about RAC being replaced??? I mean really.
I've seen it thrown around, but how do you build a succesful team? I'd say through the draft. How long does that take? Let's say 5 years. Well that is what was said when Phil and RAC came on board, that is what it is looking like, and if we change AGAIN mid-stream we are totally screwed.
The merry-go-round that is coaching in the NFL is getting rediculous. I think RAC is a good coach. I don't yet know if he can lead the Browns to the success I think we all deserve. I want him here, and even if we go 0-16 I want him here.
Vers is wrong (in my opinion we are closer than people think in terms of talent) about us not being overly talented, but I'd say most posters here agree more than disagree on that (me being the minority). So if we are not a very good team, how in the world can you pin it on RAC??? I still think we go to the superbowl, but hey if we finish 4-12 I'll live through it just like last year. I want RAC here 2 more years to see how he'll do fairly. The best teams are ones that stay the course. How many good coaches need to run out of Cleveland before we learn? I'd be pretty happy if Marty was still our coach. I'd be pretty happy if Belichoke was still our coach. (he apperently learned from his mistakes.) Palmer MAY have ended up as a good coach, but I doubt it. But overall we can't keep changing coaches and expect to win.
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