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Zach Banner of USC is the most massive offensive linemen I've seen since Ogden.

Fournette will NOT play in his bowl game. From what I've read it's his own personal choice.

He's a giant. I think he's over six foot nine and close to four hundred pounds.

Last year, most people were saying Fournette was better than Zeke. I don't think Fournette will ever be as good as Zeke in the pros.

He is not a 3-down back like Zeke. He is not the 3-tool back like Zeke. And there is something missing w/the guy. I hope we don't even consider him in the draft.

I meant w/the pick we got from Philly. I hope we take Garrett w/the first overall pick.

Does anyone draft Joe Mixon? The Chiefs took Tyreek Hill even though he plead guilty to domestic assault (he beat his pregnant girlfriend). There was no video of that though.

Malik McDowell is gonna be a beast in the NFL. He's better than Buckner was last year.

Also, use Malik like Von Miller-

A beast or did the left guard just miss his block?

So I watched the video.

I am in no way trying to justify hm hitting a woman. But she initiates the violence. She pushes him violently in the chest then smacks him in the face. Why is there no culpability on her part? Because she is a woman? Because he is twice her size? Neither excuses her hitting him. Her actions are not an excuse for him hitting her.

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"Everyone just beats Deshaun Watson all to hell and I think it is getting to be overkill. He doesn't have great field vision and makes too many mistakes with the ball. I get it. But why aren't we talking about what he does? He's a winner who always seems to come up with big plays in big games and he's a great athlete with leadership skills. I heard some of the same concerns about Dak Prescott coming out and I think he's doing OK." -- NFC personnel director

"I see what you see too, but that's the MAC, not the SEC. If he made some of those throws against NFL cornerbacks and safeties, they turn into pick-sixes. He's a great kid, he's smart, but he falls below the minimum standard for arm strength." -- AFC scout on Central Michigan QB Cooper Rush

"It wasn't even fair the way he did those corners in that conference. Like a man among boys. Should see just how real he is at the Senior Bowl." -- AFC North scout on Western Michigan WR Corey Davis

"I don't care how big he is. He's a good player. Look, he's tiny so you can't take him too early because there is a big risk in putting a skinny runner out there. You have to have an offense that makes sense for him, but everyone I talk to on the road likes the talent. The size is going to be the only concern." -- AFC West scout on San Diego State RB Donnel Pumphrey

"I've heard other scouts compare him to Will Fuller, but that's just too much in my opinion. Fuller's football speed was off the charts. Fuller would get his separation on speed alone, but I think Westbrook is helped out a little bit by the offense Oklahoma runs. I like him, but I don't 'Will Fuller like him.'" -- AFC scout on Oklahoma WR Dede Westbrook

"I'm a big fan of his and (Michigan TE) Jake Butt's. I think (Jeremy) Sprinkle is a much better blocker, though, and he's got more of an NFL body type." -- NFC South scout on the Arkansas TE

"He's really making himself some money late in the season. He's got a reputation for being a little bit lazy and he definitely takes too many plays off, but when the lights are bright, he usually shows up. These playoffs could really boost his stock even more." -- NFC director of scouting on Clemson TE Jordan Leggett

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler spoke to one AFC North scout who called West Virginia senior C Tyler Orlosky "nasty" and a "warrior."
"He might not be the best athlete or technician, but he has the awareness, aggressiveness and inner confidence required to get the job done," the scout concluded. Centers are asked to play early on in their careers, and some believe Orlosky is one of the top prospects at the position for the 2017 NFL Draft. He's been a consistent starter since 2014.

"You are getting a guy who will be great for your locker room and will get the rest of the offensive line on board. I think he could have the same fast impact on a team's running game that Zack Martin had in Dallas. Safe draft pick to me." -- NFC West scout on Ohio State C Pat Elflein

"He was my sleeper headed into the season, but that went out the window with the (quality) season he had this year. I think he's a second-rounder who needs time (to develop), but he'll probably get overdrafted. He's going to be a productive pro." -- AFC area scout on UCLA DE Takkarist McKinley

"(Jake) Browning and (John) Ross get most of the attention around here, but Washington's secondary is what makes them one of the top four teams in the country. I would put (Kevin) King, Sidney Jones and Budda (Baker) up against any secondary in the nation. Jones is probably a first-rounder and I'm guessing Budda goes second day (Rounds 2-3), but King deserves more attention for his play as well." -- NFC regional scout on the Washington secondary

"Jamal Adams is my favorite player in the country. He is all over the field and everyone at LSU raves about his character." -- NFC executive on the LSU safety

"I see the talent, but where are all the plays? I want him to create turnovers, make tackles for losses, make plays that swing games on defense. I'm not saying that he's not a good player, because I think he is. I'm just not sure that I would have him (ranked) inside my top 20 players this season. I still think he will end up being a safety who plays in the box. I don't think he's a linebacker." -- AFC South scout on Michigan LB Jabrill Peppers

"The Utah offensive tackle is the best in the country and it's not really close. I was surprised by how much NFL talent they have on their roster. The safety is a day one starter at the next level." -- AFC personnel executive on Utah OT Garett Bolles and S Marcus Williams

"I don't know how he flew under the radar so long because he is a dude. If you liked those guys from last year (Jarran Reed and A'Shawn Robinson), (there's) no reason you won't like him." -- AFC South scout on Alabama DT Dalvin Tomlinson

"Lamar Jackson is the best player in the country, bar none. People can try to pick at him if they want, but let them try to stop him and then get back with me and tell me what you think. I would much rather go against guys like (Miami's Brad) Kaaya, (Clemson's Deshaun) Watson or one of those other guys over having to deal with Jackson." -- Linebackers coach for Power Five team on the Louisville QB

"I never got the hype on Corey Clement. He's a bull-in-a-china-shop back. I mean, he runs hard, don't get me wrong, but playing in the NFL is about more than running hard. I see him as just another (running) back." -- NFC North scout on the Wisconsin RB

"You can't get too caught up in whatever negatives you want to find on him because that position in the pros takes a different level of physicality and a different mindset. He's got what you want if safety is a priority position for your defense." -- AFC personnel man on LSU safety Jamal Adams

"You have to go back and look at his tape from last year because of the concussion (he suffered earlier this season) and then having to play some tackle. I still thought he was a third- or fourth-rounder after watching him. I just question his power at the point. I think he's a zone blocker. You don't draft those guys early." -- AFC scout on Indiana OG Dan Feeney

"I'm really coming around on Luke Falk. He's a little skinnier than you want, but he can sling it and he's got some courage. I had him equal with a group of quarterbacks headed into the year. He's starting to separate himself." -- Director of college scouting on the Washington State QB

"I can't wait to find out the behind the scenes stuff because something isn't right. I thought he was going to be the breakout star but he's not even the best running back at Tennessee now. I think he's still a middle-rounder if he came out (for the NFL draft) this year, but I don't get the idea of switching positions at another school. That's a decision you let an NFL team make." -- NFC personnel executive regarding Jalen Hurd's intention to transfer and reported desire to change positions from running back to wide receiver or tight end.

"I think he will end up back at school (next season). If he's going to make a decision based on the (NFL Draft) Advisory Board, my guess is (the projection) won't be high enough for him to want to come out. But then again, he's a tackle with some length and those guys go higher than you expect sometimes." -- NFC regional scout on Florida State left tackle Roderick Johnson

"I like Patrick Mahomes but I've seen him a couple of times this year and he doesn't look like he's getting any better. I think he's being hurt by that play-calling and offense. It's like he's playing a different sport (in Texas Tech's offense), so projecting him won't be easy. Who is he going to be with a running game and better protection? That's what you have to figure out." -- AFC scout on the Texas Tech QB

"People beat up Cam (Robinson) all the time but I wonder what they will say when they watch his film against (Texas A&M DE Myles) Garrett. He was good against Garrett. He's not perfect, but he's going to be a good starter in the league. I would probably try him on the right side." -- NFC scout on the Alabama OT

"You can see the athleticism and talent with (Chris Wormley) but I just don't know that he's consistent enough. Wormley has to make more plays instead of just flashing." -- AFC scout on the Michigan DT

"There is no doubt in my mind that Leonard Fournette is absolutely the real deal. He's as close as you will find to Adrian Peterson. He's so strong and so fast and you just don't find that combination very often for NFL backs. He's going to be a great pro if he stays healthy." -- Retired NFL RBs coach

"He has a lot of talent. I think he could end up being a better player than DeForest Buckner but I'm not completely sold on his football character yet. I've studied him pretty closely this year and he's not afraid to tap himself out of a game when he's tired. He needs to be able to play through that fatigue sometimes." -- NFC scout on Michigan State DL Malik McDowell

"I don't think a single (offensive) tackle will carry a first-round grade in our building based on what I've seen. Somebody always pops up late in the year and gets hot, but the top guys just aren't impressive to me." -- AFC executive

"John Ross is probably the fastest player in college football right now and I think he's going to end up being a better pro than Brandin Cooks. (Jake) Browning is a solid quarterback, but Ross is making his life really easy." -- NFC scout on the Washington WR

"I've (been scouting) Alabama for quite a while and I never remember them having an end like Ryan Anderson. They have had some big, strong guys but he's got anchor and twitch. I think he's the safest bet on that defense right now." -- AFC scout

"I know (Myles) Garrett is the big-name guy but Daeshon Hall is a name that is going to get hot. I didn't think he had starting potential when he was an outside 'backer. Now that he's bigger and stronger and playing with his hand down, I think he's a different player. I see him as a second-day (Rounds 2-3) guy." -- AFC scout on the Texas A&M DE

"The thing I took away from the (Clemson-Louisville) game is that Lamar Jackson has the look of a first (overall) pick, but I don't think (Deshaun) Watson has the same look." -- NFC executive on Louisville QB Lamar Jackson and Clemson QB Deshaun Watson

"I came into the season thinking one way on Tim Williams and now I'm thinking another way. He isn't a factor on first downs and then off the field he's getting in trouble, too. It's starting to feel like he's too high maintenance for me." -- NFC scout on the Alabama DE/OLB

"For those of us who scout the West, it might be smart to rent a place in Seattle because we are going to be spending a lot of time there in the future." -- AFC scout on the talent at Washington

"Jabrill Peppers is a bigger, more explosive version of Tyrann Mathieu." -- NFC executive on the Michigan LB/DB

"I know it's early, but I'm a little disappointed in (Deshaun) Watson's throwing. He's missed the mark a bit because he's guiding and aiming the ball instead of letting it rip." -- AFC executive on the Clemson QB

"I love watching Mike Williams practice. He goes 100 miles per hour on every rep. He's diving for balls like the national championship is on the line." -- AFC scout on the Clemson WR

"I think Reuben Foster is going to get drafted way earlier than people expect. (Luke) Kuechly got drafted early and I think Foster has the same (expletive) to him." -- NFC scout on the Alabama LB

"This was my first time seeing Chad Kelly in person. For supposedly having such a strong arm, he sure did have his share of underthrows." -- NFC scout on the Ole Miss QB's performance vs. Alabama

"That offensive line at Tennessee is a mess. I think (Jalen) Hurd is really talented but he's going to have to get his own yards because they aren't going to open enough holes for him. I always feel like running backs who have it too easy struggle when they make it into the league, but Hurd won't have it too easy at all." -- AFC scout

Two scouts told us in the weeks since the season began that they believe Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer should be ranked ahead of Clemson's Deshaun Watson as the top quarterback in college football.

"Clemson RB [b]Wayne Gallman is one of the most underrated players in the country. He can do a little of everything. Runs extremely hard and can play on all three downs." -- NFC college scouting director

"I was really happy to see that (USC OT) Zach (Banner) came in lighter this year because he was way too big last year and it hurt his play. He does some things you like but if he doesn't chip even more weight off and add some quickness, he will have a hard time being a starter at tackle in our league." -- NFC scout who covers Pac-12

"I thought the left tackle from Florida State got exposed by Ole Miss. I guess he carries a pretty good grade in some circles but he has a long way to go." -- NFC personnel executive on Florida State left tackle Roderick Johnson

"It's still early but (Nick) Chubb has to feel good about how he played coming back from that knee (injury). You look for acceleration out of the cut after those injuries and I thought he had that. You never know what the medicals will look like but I was happy for the kid." -- AFC East scout

"Make sure you watch (Gerald) Everett from South Alabama. He reminds me of (Tyler) Higbee but I think he's a better athlete. Really talented matchup player and was one of the best players on the field." -- AFC South scout

Please, for the love of God, can we take the woman beating discussion out of the draft thread?

Yes, I know Joe Mixon is entering the draft.

If the Philly pick is 6th or 7th. What about trading up to 2 and selecting Allen? We are an 0-16 team. We need to just look at them as an expansion team needing corner stone pieces. I don't care if we trade up. I'd rather finally have a foundation. We need to be unconventional, because having a bunch of picks and cap space doesn't automatically mean success. We need talent and we need to keep talent. We need blue chippers and not Phil Taylor types.

We'd finally have a NFL front 7 and I'm switching to a 4-3.

Garrett
Allen
Shelton
Ogbah

Collins
Davis
Kirksey


Other than Davis, that's a really high potential and athletic front 7. Collins would play the same role he did in New England as a blitzing / coverage SAM. Kirksey would be able to just use his athleticism and pass defending capabilties.

If the Philly pick is 6th or 7th. What about trading up to 2 and selecting Allen? We are an 0-16 team. We need to just look at them as an expansion team needing corner stone pieces. I don't care if we trade up. I'd rather finally have a foundation. We need to be unconventional, because having a bunch of picks and cap space doesn't automatically mean success. We need talent and we need to keep talent. We need blue chippers and not Phil Taylor types.

We'd finally have a NFL front 7 and I'm switching to a 4-3.

Garrett
Allen
Shelton
Ogbah

Collins
Davis
Kirksey


Other than Davis, that's a really high potential and athletic front 7. Collins would play the same role he did in New England as a blitzing / coverage SAM. Kirksey would be able to just use his athleticism and pass defending capabilties.

Your score is: 8395 (GRADE: C+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (B+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford (A-)
Round 3 Pick 1: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Eddie Jackson, SS, Alabama (B)
Round 5 Pick 31: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jay Guillermo, C, Clemson (F)

If the Philly pick is 6th or 7th. What about trading up to 2 and selecting Allen? We are an 0-16 team. We need to just look at them as an expansion team needing corner stone pieces. I don't care if we trade up. I'd rather finally have a foundation. We need to be unconventional, because having a bunch of picks and cap space doesn't automatically mean success. We need talent and we need to keep talent. We need blue chippers and not Phil Taylor types.

We'd finally have a NFL front 7 and I'm switching to a 4-3.

Garrett
Allen
Shelton
Ogbah

Collins
Davis
Kirksey


Other than Davis, that's a really high potential and athletic front 7. Collins would play the same role he did in New England as a blitzing / coverage SAM. Kirksey would be able to just use his athleticism and pass defending capabilties.

My issues with that draft are that we invested heavily in DE/OLB last year and I would prefer to give Ogbah and Nassib at least a little time to grow before drafting 3 more DE in the first 2 rounds. And not drafting OL until the 6th round is a huge mistake... Especially if you are taking Watson with the first pick in the 2nd round.

What about Desmond Bryant? Is he as good as gone?

really have no idea whats going to happen with him.

What about Desmond Bryant? Is he as good as gone?

Probably. He's actually good, so he won't fit here.