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LOL. It has nowhere to go but up.

Well Mac, you started in on these guys almost as soon as they were announced as being hired. You haven't let off the gas since. I know you say that you are calling for them all to be fired, but it seems as if that is what you want to happen.

As GM said, let the cook finish the meal before saying the food sucks.

I agree that Mac bangs on the nail until it's obliterated, but there's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism.

AMEN bro

Letting of a nuke is not skepticism, it's a bomb blowing everything to hell. Just ask the Japs.

I honestly don't think our rookies are as bad as people think. I think that our FO has shown promise at hitting within the first 3 rounds. Those players have all flashed minus Shon. What I see a lot of people getting mad at is our draftees from rounds 4-7. IMO that's a good sign as most of those players are busts or above average in general. It makes sense that they aren't good, but some like Drango and Kindred showed signs of growth as well. Hitting on your top 3 targets and getting a few role players is a sign of a great draft as history shows.

If we're rebuilding, there should be progress along the way. Going winless for 2-3 years is NOT progress.

But our front office isn't getting the cook the right ingredients.

considering we have not finished year 1 yet, it's kinda hard to think we will be winless in years 2 and 3. Like GM said, give it a chance.

Based on what? Coleman will be better in his 2nd year, Ogbah is doing pretty well, we have some good looking rookies, now lets add some more talent in this next draft and see what happens.

May I ask why so many of you get so offended when a person doesn't insult you or even mention you, but instead expresses an opinion that is contrary to yours?

Man!!!!

okey dokey, show me where I was offended? That did not even cause a ripple effect. It is simply way to soon to be saying we bombed on the draft last year or that we will not win a game in the next 2-3 years. I mean think about that, 2 or 3 years. Did I say think about that?

It hasn't even been a year yet.

The key word there would be "healthy".

Going winless this year is no different than going 4-12 this year. They both suck but one is no worse than the other. We have not even gone winless for one year yet let olone 3 years

Wait... winning 4 games is the same as winning none? What? Is that the new analytics math?

Pretty much. They both mean you suck and have minimal talent. Now I would never want to go winless, but at least it guarantees the first pick. Which usually doesn't happen as we end up in a rather kafka-esque situation where we suck a ton, but don't suck just enough to get a good player.

"If you ain't first, you're last." - Ricky Bobby

The amount of people buying tickets and showing up at the games the last couple of weeks says otherwise. Heck, even has bad as the teams were that Holmgren fielded still gave the homers that false sense of hope. That's pretty much disappeared now.

thats because there has been 0 improvement and we've gotten worse and worse.. starts to build up after all these years (99')

Are we really acting like the stadium beon ng half full of the other teams fans and tickets gong for sale under 10$ is a new thing?

That's been happening for years..

The annual Steelers Christmas Home Game in Cleveland in week 17 has been a thing for a while..

Hell, people were selling off their World Series tickets when we actually had a chance to win in Cleveland..

Bad teams have bad attendance. Especially in cold weather environments..

Having a terrible season sets us up for the big pick, everyone knows that. But going 0-16 is worse than bad, and it may mean we don't have our coach. I don't think a good coach would ever go 0-16, even with this team. McCarthy, Belichick, Payton - hell, probably even Jeff Fisher - could get 3-4 wins out of this or any NFL roster. I am not calling for Hue to be fired, but I am saying this team's performance has me worried about more than just the lack of talent.

to me, it's not just that we stink ... it's not just that we will be 0-16 either

it's the fact that we have shown little/no improvement, especially from the young players. Outside of Ogbah, I actually think they've all regressed.

Go through the list and think to yourself who seems to be: a. legit NFL quality b. improving

Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Cody Kessler
Ricardo Louis
Joe Schobert
Shon Coleman
Spencer Drango
Rishard Higgins
Jordan Payton
Seth Devalve
Derrick Kindred

j/c:

People rip mac all the time, but now we have several posters telling us that going winless isn't a bad thing. LOL

Ok,, Define "Healthy Dose"! There is the problem.

Only as it relates to draft position. But you know that...

That's not why, mac. None of us like losing...

Nope, not calling for anyone to get fired at all.

You figured this out before the season even started.

We all think rebuilding sucks, but it sucks even more when you start over right in the beginning.

You might not be a fan of losing, but I'm not a huge fan of losing and then listening to someone whine about losing.

I agree with what you wrote Eo.

It might be more embarrassing - but in real terms of blowing the team up - starting over and laying a foundation for the future .... 3-13 or 4-12 isn't any real difference than 0-16.

The only exception to that would be if we went 3-0 or 4-0 the last few games and perhaps garnered a little momentum. . .

We all saw that we could have won a couple games early in the season. If they went our way, and we went 2-14 .... does it REALLY make us better? Does it mean Hue is a better coach or that the FO did a better job drafting?

I don't think so personally. It's disappointing to see this team play so badly. And I don't think the coaching has helped. But that doesn't mean I want to give up on Hue or the FO. I'm not even going to hate on Horton.

I want to give this FO a complete free hand this off season and see what roster they put together.

I want to see how the rookies from last year progress.

I want to see where they spend there money in free agency - Collins, Pryor are close to 'must sign' for me. Collins mostly. Pryor is a strong 'want'.

I want to see who they draft and what the team looks like in year 2. I think the D is a good DE, CB and S away from being good. Garret is one solution - if they don't go QB with the second pick, a safety or CB potentially solves 2/3 of the defense in the first round. . . . . . jmo

Eo, if we end up tied with 49ers they pick before us.

I have to laugh if you think that's the reason you're being criticized.



Now that's a point that no one can argue with. How Sashi could make a statement like that, knowing what was to come, is a real head scratcher.

based on their solution to QB was RG3 and Kessler. Wrong ingredients. I have very little faith that they will get the draft right. Which is why I think we could be looking at another 0-16 season next year.

2 things the FO needs is someone who cares about winning and someone who can evaluate talent.

Rookies don not win in the NFL. Inexperience does not win in the NFL. I am not saying that rookies cannot impact the game. but they usually have entire units that can rely upon.

Dallas has the 2 most impactful offensive rookies this year. They have the best offensive live, and a talented and experienced set of offensive weapons to go with them. That's the right way for rookies to make an impact.

We had Terrelle Pryor surprise as a WR. We have started 5 different QBs. Our 1st round WR was out for many weeks with an injury.Our depth WRs did not impress this year. No offense, but why is that?

Our OL has been hit with idiocy and injury. The idiocy was that we "replaced" Schwartz with another Seattle reject. That was stupid on both parts. In addition to that, we lost both starting Guards to injury, and also lost our 2nd year Center for several games. Great OLs play together, and gel. Our OL has not had the chance to do this. We plugged in Drango at LG, and I think that he is improving. I kind of liked the way that Cooper has played at RG. I know that PFF has evaluated Erving as playing well, but I don't really agree with that. However, we have an OL that has been in flux all year.

I think that it is going to take a lot of work to evaluate the individual players this off-season, and decide who has improved, which have developed, even in difficult times, and who has struggled, but may improve with a full off-season.

We will be able to add 4 more very high draft picks in the coming draft, and that will help the talent level, and we will also have guys who have a full year in the systems of the team. Players will know what is expected of them, they will understand the concepts and schemes., and will be able to do their jobs more instinctively, and will also be able to help other young players as well.

I am not willing to say that our young players stink when we had no foundational units, and we had no real veteran leadership throughout the team. Next year we will have more players who will understand what we are trying to do on both sides of the ball, and that will be a huge benefit. Most teams have players who know their systems and who can help rookies. most teams try to fit in a rookie here and a rookie there. We have not.

I am interested to see how these rookies do with a full off-season program under their belts, and with a full off-season strength program under their belts. We have had some guys who have shown flashes, and others who really haven't had much opportunity to do very much.

People say that it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft, and I don't know that it always does ..... but it sometimes can take more than 1 year. I also want to say that I am not saying that all of these rookies will automatically become great players by being in the systejm for a 2nd year, but there are guys I really expect to take a big step forward next year.

Take a look at other teams. The Ravens picked a lot of players in this past draft as well. How many of their players are making an impact?

Stanley is starting at LT for them. Their 2nd round DE/LB has 4 tackles. Their 3rd round DE is on IR, missing the whole year. Their 4th round CB is contributing. Their 4th round WR has a handful of catches. Their 4th round OT has played 8 games. Their 4th round DT is on IR after not recording a stat this year. They also drafted a RB in the 4th who has a couple hundred yards. They have a PS WR/RB, and a 6th round CB who has hit IR without playing a single snap on defense.

They haven't had to fit in rookies everywhere. They inserted a couple of rookies, mainly on the OL, but for the most part they have rookies fitting in slowly. where they can help ..... or learning on the sidelines, or special teams. We have not been able to do this.

Just to give a different viewpoint.

after the draft, 14 more rookies comming to a stadium near you

We should have done what the Jags have already done.

The one time in this franchise history since their return when they "should clean house" they won't...

The only thing Jackson and This Front office is going to win for us is a warm seat in the basement of the division.

2 years from now all these guys will be fired...i knew the 1st week of the season after the 1st game....these guys would suck...i predicted 2-14 and but man even i didn't see this absolute suckage we have.

We need to get these guys outta here, all of them...coachs, front office, everyone....and actually get an NFL front office(hire an assistant GM from another team) let him put together an actual front office, and get us a young and up and coming guy for Head coach.

im telling you right now, you let these screw ups use those Draft Picks we got this year, and they will set this team back another 5-6 years...they are going to blow the 2017 draft.....any owner that keeps things the way they are after an 0-16 season is a dimwitt....us even winning 1 game at this point would take an act of god....how sad..

thought we cleaned house last January.. you want to do that AGAIN?