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Cleveland Browns: I did this exercise a year ago, and the Browns are one of two teams to repeat in this most depressing tier. (The other team is up next.) The Robert Griffin III era should be over soon, so rookie Cody Kessler is the only current Browns quarterback likely to be on the roster next season. The former third-round pick is an underrated asset, a player we'd rather have over Petty or Hackenberg. Kessler may wind up starting for the Browns next season, but they need other options. It could come in the form of a veteran or a rookie. If they see a future franchise quarterback who could be had with one of their two top-10 draft picks, they'll take him. If not, Kessler might compete against a veteran and another mid-round rookie who enrolls in the Hue School.


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we have RG3 for another year. i don't know why people expect us to drop him, when he doesn't cost us anything.

and sorry, but i rather have RG3 going into next season starting than Cody. We don't need to be wasting our time with a QB who's clearly scared to launch the rock down the damn field.

We need to go into next season with RG3, Watson/Kelly, Kessler. I'm tired of trying to pick up backups from other teams with the attempt of reigniting their careers.

it's not working.

I sometimes get the contracts mixed up, but if I read it correctly, the Browns could release RG3 and only take a hit of $1MM+, essentially saying, his guaranteed money has already been paid out during 2016. I'm not sure the Browns will do it, but it doesn't seem like it'd be a tough decision financially speaking.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/robert-griffin-iii-9812/

Also, it's not much but this is a milestone in his contract apparently....


http://overthecap.com/player/robert-griffin-iii/1459/

The second sentence contradicts the first.

No it doesn't.

We already have RG3 on the roster.

My comments are based off of the Browns trying to bring in ANOTHER QB from somewhere else.

Ya know like bringing in Jimmy G.

I think both Kessler and RG3 will be on the roster next season, and I'm okay with that. The 3rd qb will be whoever we draft. Bye Bye McCown.

I think we got a very good look at Kessler, and I am very hopeful that with a full off-season to perfect his craft, he will get better in his decision making. Starter material better? IDK, but I think he takes care of the ball very well, and makes good decisions with it too. As often mobile QB's are always hesitant to run, I think Kessler is hesitant to dink and dunk bc the fans (and coach) want him to go deep, and he needs doesnt need to do that. Read the defense, once the ball is snappend, then go through your progressions, and then throw it to the open guy. Easier said than done, but I think he will get better at that with time.

RG3 is more of a question mark for me. I like his potential, based on his rookie season, but these next two games I'm looking for more consistency. One good drive a game won't cut it.

I would not put Jimmy G in that category. He's been a back-up behind Tom Brady his entire career so there is nothing to "reignite"..

I would put Osweiler, Fitzpatrick, Schaub, Sanchez, even Glennon in that group of guys who have had chances that I have no interest in.

I do trust Bill B though.. if he's willing to let Jimmy G. go, then I wouldn't want him because there is a reason.. He has let a couple back-ups leave (or traded them) and none of them have amounted to much... Given Brady's age, if Jimmy G is good enough, Bill won't let him go anyway.

Or, Jimmy G might be good enough, but Tom Brady isn't slowing down yet. Brissett might be good enough, too, and he will be under a rookie contract for awhile longer.

The money/roster construction is a factor for NE. Ideally, a backup QB won't see the field.

I don't know if Jimmy is the answer, but I don't see Bill B's willingness to deal as a determining factor. Someone will probably be willing to spend Osweiller money on him. NE can't pay a guy who hopefully won't play that kind of money.

The most they can get for losing him in FA is a 3rd round comp pick (right?). If NE can get more than that, they have to think about it.

He's a rookie.

Great analysis on Cody ... cause u know ... he's a finished product and all .... ...

Cody will be much better at attempting down field shots next year ... it'll be his 2nd year ... and as painful as this year was he gained valuable experience u can only gain by playing ... YES ... it STUNK he had to see the field this year ... and it was ugly as hell ... the bright side is he got to feel the speed of the game and gained valuable experience ...

Now ... i'm not saying Cody is a long term solution at the QB slot but if our menZas deem no QB worthy then I'd much rather go with Cody over RG3 ... or actually ... over any rookie ... lets not do to the new rook what we did to Cody ...

But rg3 ... NO WAY ... hit the road jack and don't u come back no more no more no more hit the road jack and don't ya come back!

j/c:

Cody was getting 3rd team reps in camp, working with green receivers, in an offense that nobody really knew. He was forced into action without a lot of experience in the system. He got some game week practice once the other two QBs were hurt, but that's not a whole lot of reps. I'm not saying he's the answer, but it's really hard to judge. He wasn't supposed to be the answer this season. It is extremely hard to get more than one QB ready for a season.

New England had some success, but Jimmy G had been around the team and in the system plus they knew Tom was missing time. We seemed to have a lot of eggs in the RG3 basket and were counting on McCown's experience to be the backup. Both went down early.

I'm curious to see how Kessler will look next season. Hopefully after more reps before the games count.

I think Hue was/is well aware of Griffin's level of development as QB. I think Hue viewed Griffin for what he is....a talented yet still undeveloped QB.
I also think Hue is well aware of the talent level of the team he's coaching.

The worst possible situation for Hue and Griffin happened: he got hurt bad and early...so early that the plan to develop Griffin all but became a non-starter.

I think Hue's understandable desperation to win A game has made him impatient at the QB position. TO BE CLEAR: I am not saying Hue in any way deserves to be on the hot seat. But, I think Hue mishandled Kody by forcing the issue with the deep ball and rushing Griffin back on the field imho too early. Especially for a team steeped with talent shorting comings, injuries (OL flux) and a lot of "newness" from coaches to 25 rookies etc. Its a tough situation for any QB to show well, let alone a QB coming off an injury who had barely played in over a season.

For Hue, the Browns and Griffin I hope Griffin plays well enough to show everyone enough of a glimpse of what I think Hue sees or else its gonna be tough to sell fans on bringing him back.

Can his arm improve before next season? Just seems to go short or wide so often. Can he get vertical distance and velocity improvement? Knowing where it should go is one thing; getting it there and out on time, a different thing entirely.

I would see Kessler as the second though.

Are there any breakdown of Cody's completions/pass attempts on different parts of the field?

These threads kill me.

RGIII is a retread, yet Swish wants to roll w/him and not get a retread. What?

Then, I read that Cody arm strength. Sorry, ain't happening.

Next, we get that Hue hurt Cody because he made him throw deep. Uhmmm, it's usually a good idea to take what the defense is giving you. That's not ruining him. It's smart. It's not Hue's fault that Cody couldn't/wouldn't do it.

And here is a prediction: We will be having these same stupid QB conversations next year, just as we have had for years and years and years.

I knew it would be a waste of my time to post an observation that was blatantly obvious.

I had hope, but RGIII sucks.

Who is saying this?

You.

I mean............how are we supposed to interpret this?



And another thing while I am at it. You said you don't want Hue on the hot seat, but you have been bad-mouthing him all year. You also added this gem:



What? Please provide some proof that he was asked to play before he was ready.

Again, he's already on the team.

I want to draft a QB. But if we want to keep a veteran guy, we already have one in RG3.

No where did I imply that I want him to be our guy for the future.

Listen to what I'm saying instead of creating your own reality.

What if I told you if you spent a third round pick, you could "draft" Garappolo....

Swish, I know you think you are the smartest guy around and that I am stupid..............but bro, I know that RGIII is on the team. I have actually commented on his performances w/the Browns. That is NOT news.

My point was that we got RGIII the same exact way you said we should not ever do.

Do you get that?

I don't think you're stupid. That must be your insecurities coming out. Do you think you're stupid?

Yes, we got RG3 that way.

And it didn't work, did it?

So why would I advocate that we do it AGAIN? That's the entire freaking point.

We already have rg3 for another year. Instead of bringing in ANOTHER QB from a different team, because it hasn't worked, why don't we just keep RG3 and draft a guy?

Do you get that?

If you haven't noticed, I didn't like jimmy G coming out of the draft, so why would I want him now?

You came to your senses, since then? I don't know

If you want matt Flynn then have it at it bro.

But I'm good on that.

Watson or Kelly will be better than him.

No Swish, I don't think I am stupid.

Far from it, little bro.

You mean, Drew Brees

But hell yeah, I'll take Chad Kelly in the 4th too.

You think he's drew brees caliber?

Stop it.

I was just thinking of any QB who did good after switching teams... There's not as many as there are failed Patriots QBs though. I'll call him Carson Palmer next time, if you want.

In one of the draft threads I went down the list of NFL teams that have their franchise guy that came from another team, who is actually good.

Brees
Palmer
Alex Smith

Maybe you can squeeze Bradford and Tyrod Taylor in there, even though those two been average at best.

So out of 32 teams, a whopping 3 got lucky, and 2 more are suspect. All the other average to good teams drafted their guy.

And it's about even with failed patriot QB's.

Mallet
Hoyer
Cassell

And in my opinion, Jimmy G will get added to that list.

Don't lie to me, buoy....................how many games of Jimmy G's have you actually watched?

we've been over this already.

you asked me the same question in the draft forum.

If I wanted to say "hurt" then I would have used the word hurt if I wanted to say "ruined: I would have used the word ruined. Otherwise what is the point of posting if you are going taking words that are actually written and restate in order to make an argument?

Bad form bro.

I think Hue had a quick hook when he pulled Kody in a game that was still close...and McKown went out there and lost the game.

I also think Hue/Pep through their playcalling were too focused on trying to force the deep ball rather then sustaining offense. There's a whole thread where I detail my thoughts on it.

BS. I have probably been a fan of Hue much longer then you have. I only feel the need to specifically state that I don't think Hue deserves to be on the hotseat because YOU, as per usual, always resort to this agenda whenever you don't like a critique about the coaching. All coaches, all staffs make mistakes over the course of a game....over the course of a season. Stating my opinion that I think certain moves are mistakes is not the same as bad mouthing...except to you I guess

Lol, you're gonna quote half a sentence CLEARY stated as opinion hence the You could simply ask the reasons why I think Griffin came back to early but nah you gotta pull this BS strawman.

Actually, I wouldn't mind bringing Hoyer back...

<as I duck all sorts of objects thrown at my head>

He doesn't hold the ball so long and while he doesn't have a bomb of an arm, I think he could get Hue's offense moving.

If you don't want your opinions challenged, don't post them.

I don't think Hue hurt Cody. In fact, I think he helped mask Cody's deficiencies w/brilliant play selection. After the league caught up, there wasn't much left to do other than "take what the defense is giving you."

I also think the that RGIII wasn't "rushed" back into the lineup. I think he was cleared by the medical staff. I also think that the Browns were winless and it wasn't like we were putting the playoffs on the line. I see NO problem w/inserting RGIII into the lineup.

We disagree. Difference is I can make my points w/out the character attacks.

Swish, you have been over and over and over on many points on this board. In fact, you never stop expressing some of your opinions on law enforcement and how you are being suppressed as a black man.

I don't remember your answer to whether or not you have watched Jimmy G play. So please, in the spirit of the holiday season, give me the gift of telling me how many games you have watched him play and how much film breakdown you have done. After all. you are extremely adamant that he is a bum. Thus, I am assuming you have really studied the guy.

Thanks in advance, bro.

I'd love to have Hoyer back. Better than anything we have currently.

I've watched the full games of his whopping 2 NFL starts, as well as preseason work.

I've also watched the draft breakdown vids of him in college in 2014.

I also watched him get injured on live tv.

Sorry if I'm not gonna get hyped up over somebody who blew out crap teams in the...what was it? Ohio valley conference? What is that?

So anyway, I've laid my argument out multiple times around this board. I'm good on jimmy G. A patriot QB can find another team to ruin.

If BB is actively trying to trade the guy, then I'm good on him.

Also, dunno why you feel the need to add all the other crap. This is pure football, not EE.

Thanks for answering. Hope you and your family have a nice Christmas.