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Thats something we can agree on Rocket ... the greed and selfishness at all levels of this country is PITIFUL ..... and its to bad we don't see more charitable work done by the rich and our business leaders .. there is alot of good ones out there .. but here overwhelmed by the ones that simply want to turn a profit at all costs ...

Its really sad ... how we treat each other .... really sad ....

This is rich.

The "rich" business owners I know aren't slashing hours, they DO re-invest in the country (perhaps not like you would want - but buying equipment for construction, factories, etc....that IS re investing in the country, resulting in jobs - not only at their place of business, but also at the business they are buying from)

And the whole "free post secondary" education. Come on, man. Really? Look how the free k-12 education is doing.


Perhaps I should take this to pm with you, as I don't wish to clutter this foobarred thread.

Nah, let's keep it out in the open. Many of what you described is due to the NeoLiberal and NeoConservative movements. Movements tthat basically take respective liberal or conservative social policies, give lip service to the common man through economics, and then enact economic policies that benefit the 1%.

On education:

Clinton, Bush, and Obama all had it wrong. The current mess stretches back to Reagan, and it's due a a report called "A Nation At Risk". This report detailed average scores on the NAEP test, it's a benchmark test that allows us to compare our education to other countries, and that freaked people out. What people fail to understand is we educate an unbelievable amount of kids compared to foreign nations. This lead to the current "drill and kill" mentality in education; kids don't get taught critical thinking if you "follow the rules". I'm sure Vers, Muni, and many other educators on here can back me up on it.

How does this play into Goldman Sachs? Look up a company named Pearson. Pearson owns the CollegeBoard, the ACT and SAT company, and they saw a HUGE market to make money off of our kids. All education legislation since "A Nation At Risk" found much influence through lobbying by Pearson; Pearson cares less about education, and more about the profit they make off of my students. I've tried to research how much district money gets spent on these asinine assessments, but no research I do shows me the actual number.

The last few secretaries of education claim no knowledge of our great American school system; I find this an absolute travesty.

The "school choice" argument? 80% of charters do worse than public schools. The 20% that do well? The 20% do just as good as private schools, those which do better lack minority students or those on IEPs (students generally labled as special education).

We can fix education by letting local school districts adopt their policies to a national model of standards. Say what you want about Common Core Math, but I love the idea! I hate how the core gets used a vehicle to make money off our students.
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This sits promprtly where my greed argument comes in. 90% of major corporations care less about doing good for humanity, and the other 10% don't stand a fighting chance.

I pretty much agree with you except on the private or charter schools that do well "lack minority students" thing, and the common core thing.

Hey, my mom taught for about 40 years.

But, I thought we were talking about "rich" people cutting hours of employees, and how the rich only look out for themselves.

I could go deep with multiple sources to back up my claims, but I've been down that road. Nothing but "my opinion states your academic studies exist in a liberal biased reality." I could even give anecdotal tales, and that's either met with silence or "oh you young naive adult. You don't get how it works, and you think you're better than everyone because you have a degree." I'm not going down those paths anymore. Feelings matter over factual evidence these days, it seems.



Wal-mart, JC Penny, and other large corporations cut hours. Heck, even Walt Disney World does this.

Supply-side economics says the wealth will trickle down to the middle class. Never did that happen in the Reagan years, and nor will it happen under Trump.

I can post graphs showing how economic divide sharply rose since Reagan's economic plan, but again....it'll devolve into "my opinion says your facts are living in a liberal biased reality."

I know how the game works, Arch.

Okay.

Yep. Every minimum wage job I've ever worked at (Which is a lot) have always limited my hours to under 40. My roommate is currently working at Chipotle while looking for a job in his degree, and he works 39.9999 hours a week. I'm not joking. He's pretty much the only competent employee at their location, so they need him bad, but don't need him bad enough that makes it worth giving him health insurance too.


Although, if we had a single payer system, employers couldn't play games like this and health insurance wouldn't be used as an incentive instead of cold, hard cash to woo workers.

Obviously, that chipotle doesn't have over 50 full time workers. Full time being 30 hours or more per week.

So, they are following the Obamacare mandate, not?

And since when did minimum wage jobs warrant health coverage paid by the employer?

Not trying to be an ass here

Well, that Chipotle isn't franchised, as most are not, thus have way more than 50 employees. So they would be following the Obamacare mandate.

When did employers be the end all be all on who should have health insurance? Employees have let them play games with their lives for far too long. Instead of being paid, they're given basic human rights found in most developed and developing countries.

No one says that minimum wage jobs should warrant health insurance, but playing around this 40 hour line is them being dishonest with their employees.

Nobody is preventing minimum wage earners with part time jobs from having insurance. They can go on healthcare.gov and get themselves some. Its not the employers job to give them some. Thats called a benefit. Crap jobs have crap benefits.

Because of Obamacare, which everyone hates and wants to get rid of. Including, many people who were important to it's passing. I remember reading Obama saying that if it wasn't for the "infrastructure" aka health insurance monopolies already in place, he would have started with a single payer system.

Well, we will see how smart Trump and his cronies are when they replace Obamacare. I dont think it will be a single payer system. Im not sure what it will be.

Do they have 50 employees that avg. (each) more than 30 hours a week? Because that is the cut off under Obama care.

Now, if they have, say 49 employees working 30 plus, on average, per week, they are not required to pay health insurance.

But since when does even a 40 hour per week minimum wage job warrant full health insurance?

I know I'm coming across as uncaring, and that, in reality, is far from the truth regardless of what you or others on here think.

I am realistic though.

Make that chipotle pay for health insurance. Then watch the prices increase to the point that people don't eat there.

Then what?

Your room mate IS paying for his own health care insurance, right?

Everyone wants to make more money - me and you included. Everyone would love for someone else to take over some of their bills, you and me included.

And then everyone (NOT me) wants to buy products at cheaper and cheaper prices.

People gripe about how bad wal mart treats their employees - yet people go there to buy a t.v. because it's $50 cheaper than the mom and pop store.

We want higher wages and more benefits, yet we, society, spend our money at the cheapest places.

And Obama care was just a necessary pre-cursor to single payer.

Yippee...........federal gov't in charge of health care! Can't wait. They handle money so well.

This is the interesting thing. A single payer system would be like "Medicare for all". Medicare isnt perfect, it doesnt cover everything, but for the most part people dont complain about it. Except doctors, because the govt negotiates low prices.

But I hear it would be too expensive.

Would it really be that bad? My individual health ins rates are already higher than medicare and cover less.

And Obama lied that "I would be able to keep my insurance". My insurance drops me every year under the guise of "we no longer offer insurance in your county" I am sick of it.
So I am starting to not dislike single payer. What are the pros and cons.

I'm not sure how many employees Chipotle has. But it's well over the thousands. But yes, they're way over the Obamacare cut off. He doesn't work for "a chipotle" he works for Chipotle.

He doesn't work minimum wage, but 40 hours a week doesn't warrant full health insurance.

I don't think that employers have a place in someone's health insurance. Especially when that health insurance is mandated. Luckily, he is still under the age of 26 and receives his health care through his parent. Luckily for him, as he doesn't need to have health insurance, as most young people don't, because they're healthy. He's gone to the vet for more his cat in the past four years than a doctors. Same with myself. And probably, hopefully, many of you guys and gals in your 20's and 30's. This is the whole point of insurance, to have a lot of healthy people pay for all the sick people at that point in time. So why shouldn't you run it through the government? which has a gigantic base of healthy people willing to pay into it. It'd save so much money too. That's the ridiculous thing.

Talking about cheaper, what if Chipotle didn't have to pay any health insurance to any of it's thousands of employees who receive it? Health Insurance is about to become an annual trillion dollar industry. Think about how much needless money is in that industry. From people and companies all over. The waste is astronomical and the care is becoming worse and worse every year.

Couple of things aren't adding up. He works FOR Chipotle, not just AT one? Okay.

He works 39.99 hours a week, yet doesn't get health insurance? Obama care mandates that anyone working over 30 hours per week at a business with 51 or more employees, gets health insurance if the company provides it to anyone. Something just isn't adding up here.

Regardless, what if chipotle didn't have to pay ANY health insurance and the employees just got it for free from the gov't.?

Neat concept. Free ain't free, bud. Someone's paying. And that's the workers.

I'd be interested to hear what tax rate our Canadian friends pay for "free" health care.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canadian-health-care-in-crisis/

It works up there though.

Our Canadian friends don't have the medical technology, density nor manpower to have a successful medical system in the first place. If you look at the articles, they all mention how their health system has a lot of problems on the supply side of it. They do not have enough medical equipment or doctors. What we forget about our friendly neighbor to the north, is that it's the world's second largest country by land. But it has less people than the state of California. Not a fair comparison.

Why isn't it a fair comparison? They have less people. Yes, over a large area, but still......

You say they have a lot of problems on the supply side? They don't have enough equipment or doctors? Wonder why that is.

But that's what you want here?

I know of many doctors that are refusing to take medicare and medicaid patients here. Wonder why that is.

Because Canada has the population density of a war torn African country.

This is a complicated question but the simple answer is the banking cartel.

We empowered the Federal Reserve Bank (a privately held entity) by granting them the ability to make US currency up out of thin air by either printing it (~10%) or creating it electronically (~90%) and letting them lend the government this fictional money while engaging other world banks (in MOST countries) in the fractional-reserve banking system on behalf of the US Government.

The fractional-reserve banking system basically transfers financial control of the world to a few families of financial elites. The fictional money they lend countries while charging interest and the fictional balances that are moved around like a shell game become the debts owed by all countries. Therefore every country owes the banking cartel families this money (the national debts), and they use these debts to leverage control over the world's economies in order to control every aspect of humanity.

If you control all the money you control everything.

And if the US were to abandon the fractional-reserve banking system and retake control of it's money by abolishing the Federal Reserve, the rest of the world's economies would immediately collapse because the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency.

I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory but it's actually all well documented fact.

And I love how you think you know something about me that you can't. Not classy at all. Just more pivoting away from the point. Insulting as well.

It's why there will always be war, but not a global extinction level type of war. If a country decided it was going to start launching nukes, that country would suddenly discover its enemies received quite a bit of funds. Banks want other countries to play ball and take on debt.

I assume this was aimed at me.. I never said your neighbors were too stupid to discuss multi-national issues, I said they don't have the requisite experience to be put in charge of them.

It is kind of ironic everybody that Trump appoints the liberals lose their mind because that person doesn't have enough experience for the position... so the CEO of Exxon doesn't have enough international diplomacy experience but the guy that owns Dave's Hardware does... interesting.

Whoever thinks that the head of Exxon doesn't have diplomatic experience is fooling themselves.

It was also JC.

Y'all boy out here wanting to get into an arms race.

‘Let it be an arms race’: Trump doubles down on nuclear proliferation

https://www.yahoo.com/news/let-it-be-an-...-153229263.html

Ya ... once again u tell 1/2 the story and then your BS follows ....

Putin said Russia is the strongest country in the world right now and he is going to embark on creating nucs that can get through any defense system and become the dominant nuclear power in the world ....

Trump tweets the following in response:

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes

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Sounds like an appropriate response to me ... what would u have liked him to do? ... a line in the sand like your boy did ... or no .. maybe give Putin another "re-set" button ... ya ... oBUMa really handled him well ... ..

Yo Swish ... this kind of flies in the face of your "puppet" theory .... NO? .. can't wait to see what BS u spin to justify this one ...

Anyone with a brain knows where putin and trumps "relationship" is going ... now maybe even you will .... if not .. i'll just be able to *L* a little longer ...

So on top of all the stuff I've said about you, you can add the word "slow" to that list. Ya moving slow.

We already talked about that tweet a couple days ago. That's old news, old man.

Look at the link 3rd posted. That's what I'm referencing, that happened a few hours ago.

You gotta be quicker than that!!!

you conservatives are on a roll with this stuff since the election.

Gov. Cuomo Responds After Trump's NY Campaign Chair Wishes Death On President Obama

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ally-wishes-death-president-183859264.html

UPDATED: 1:59 p.m. EST — Gov. Andrew Cuomo responded to statements made by Donald Trump's New York campaign chair, Buffalo businessman Carl Paladino.

"Paladino has a long history of racist and incendiary comments. While most New Yorkers know Mr. Paladino is not to be taken seriously, as his erratic behavior defies any rational analysis and he has no credibility, his words are still jarring," Cuomo said in a statement. "His remarks do not reflect the sentiments or opinions of any real New Yorker and he has embarrassed the good people of the state with his latest hate-filled rage."

Paladino told a local Buffalo newspaper Thursday that he'd like to see President Barack Obama die of mad cow disease and wished for Michelle Obama to "return to being a male" and live alongside a gorilla.

Original story: Controversial businessman and political activist Carl Paladino had some shocking words for newspaper reporters about the presidential family when asked what he’d like to see happen in 2017. An alternative weekly newspaper in Buffalo, New York, asked Paladino and other locals what they hoped would occur in the new year.

“Obama catches mad cow disease after being caught having relations with a Herford,” Paladino said Thursday. “He dies before his trial and is buried in a cow pasture next to Valerie Jarret who died weeks prior, after being convicted of sedition and treason, when a Jihady cell mate mistook her for being a nice person and decapitated her.”

When asked who he would “most like to see go in 2017” Paladino responded: “Michelle Obama. I’d like to see her return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla.”

Paladino, 70, confirmed to the Buffalo News that he made the comments before saying to news editors, “Tell them all to go f--- themselves.”

He continued: “Yeah, I’m not politically correct. They asked what I want and I told them.”

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Donald Trump and Carl Paladino speak during a pro-gun rally at the Empire State Plaza in Albany, New York, Apr. 1, 2014. Photo: Reuters

Paladino is the CEO of Buffalo real estate company the Ellicott Development Company, which he founded in 1973. He’s also battled for interests in local governments, according to his website, and sits on the Buffalo school board. The businessman was also Donald Trump's New York campaign chair. He met with Trump Monday and spent an hour speaking with the president-elect.

“I think I will have an ongoing ability to make recommendations,” Paladino said after his meeting, according to the Buffalo News. They discussed Trump’s campaign in New York, possible government appointees, and who might advise Trump, he said. Paladino also said he’d be open to taking a role in the new administration, though so far, he had not been offered one.

Being a slow old man I tend to like the ENTIRE STORY just not the 1/2 u always give ... the 1/2 that supports whatever BS your slinging at the time ... i understand u have no other option than to only tell 1/2 the story ..... when 95% of the time the entire story leaves your BS without a leg to stand on ... its your only option ...

Sorry .. being old fashioned means i like the TRUTH ... not your half stories witch are no more than LIES when you get right down to it ..

Lies?

So quoting what comes out of Trumps own mouth is a lie?

Glad you're admitting that your boy is full of crap then. You got lied to and you voted for him anyway?

Why complain about Clinton? You're just another massive hypocrite.

I said your half truths are LIES ... cause thats what they are ... like in the this case u lead with Trump starting an arms race and leave it at that w/o actually putting the tweet up or giving the REASON he posted it ... u even go as far as to say that him and putin are buds on this one ... *L* ..

1/2 truths and INTENTIONALLY MIS LEADING ... my definition of a LIE ....

And u say I'm a hypocrite ... quoting u .. thats rich ... *LOL* ...

U can play your 3 year old word games with the others ... not me ...

Shhhh .... we won't talk about PUPPETS for a few days now will we ... thank god your not a hypocrite ... Bwaaahaaaaaaa ....

Just curious .... aren't slow and stupid the same thing? .. just wondering .. am i s[to slow or to stupid to figure it out on my own .. *L* ..

I didn't mislead anything.

You're creating your own reality now.

Your boy made the tweet, and THEN he doubled down and made the arms race comment AFTER the fact.

Look, if you want to close your ears like a child and screams LALALALALALALA when I hit with you with these facts then it's whatever.

But one thing I don't do is lie. Kick rocks, sell someone else your BS.

All except for the POSTS here say u do LIE ... its right there in your 1/2 TRUTHS and mis leading everyone by leaving the entire back story and not mentioning the entire last half of the tweet ...

Its DECIEVING on a GOOD DAY ...

Look man .. u don't want to be called a liar ... then don't tell 1/2 stories and leave out IMPORTANT PARTS that mis-lead ...

U did that ... not me .... u can defend it all u want .. its all there in YOUR POSTS ...

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself. It doesn't make it true.

Maybe you should text your boy and tell him to put his phone away. He's making you look ridiculous having to defend is nonsense rhetoric all the time.

Do yourself that favor.

Earth to Swish ... Earth to Swish ....

Anyways,

Did anybody catch Trump asking Boeing to see if they can price a F-35 competitor cheaper than Lockheed Martin?

I actually like that. Lockheed Martin's CEO is already on ice skates vowing to try and slash the price of the fighter jet.

That is the most assinine statement I ever heard. You are what's wrong with society today. You will quickly call someone a racist or homophobe, while making broad degrading comments about people who have had success in their life. Envy should be your nickname.

Many of these billionaires started out at the bottom, just like me and you. Not all billionaires have screwed everybody to get where they are. There is no term like "racist" to label people like you, but their should be.

I would love to see liberal know-it-alls like you hit it big. I wonder how much of your money you would just hand out to anybody who said they needed it. You guys live in this fantasy land that makes you believe that anybody who has money took it from those who don't.

You bash rich people and say that they don't care about the "common" man. Yet, go look at any major hospital in the country. Just about all of them have research centers and cancer treatment centers paid for by the same people you bash.

Hating someone for being wealthy, without any knowledge of exactly how they aquired their wealth, and what the actually do with it is no different than bashing someone for being a certain race or gender or any of the other "groups" liberals put people into.

Socialism is a great concept that never has worked. Bernie Sanders has never had a job in his life except politics. He bashes big business while he drives around in what looks like a Ferrari. He wants to give free college to kids, but doesn't tell you who will pay for the 6 figure salaries of the liberal professors that preach hate for this country. Hypocrisy at the highest levels.

You guys bash Reagan, although he did many of the same things JFK did. His policies led to decades of the highest economic growth the country has ever seen. He like Trump was ridiculed and called a dunce.

As for Daman's claims that Trump will ruin the middle class, where the hell have you been for the past eight years? Liberal policies have decimated the middle class. The tree hugging "environmental lobby" which the left recieves boatloads of money from, have destroyed our manufacturing sector. I could go on, but I suspect that any person who believes that college professors and street agitators are the answer to our financial woes, would not understand reality.