DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2017 NFL Season 2017 NFL Draft Browns Want Garrett

Lol, are the links you posted a mea culpa?

Yeah, I really enjoy his work to. I like that unlike some he takes an honest look at a player and looks for the good and the bad equally.

I still really want to draft Garrett. By pointing out his few flaws and also by showing they are the kind of flaws that are easily fixable it just makes you drool to see how good he can get at the pro level. If we pass on him I will be pretty upset. I'm not even sure 3 first round picks would be enough to give up on a player like him.

Okay............where the hell does it say he is lazy?



You said plenty of articles. You can't even find one. Just admit that you were wrong. It's not so bad. You'll actually receive more respect if you admit you were mistaken.

Here I thought I was being nice and even provided a youtube video that shows exactly what I was talking about point by point even. You can't even be bothered to do that so why should I care about your ignorant opinion. You have such a man crush going on that you just want to rage at anything that differs from your opinion.

Vers you can believe me or not I really don't care. The only thing you ever post anymore are angry rants at everyone anymore. It's really pretty sad because you used to be a decent poster. Now it's just there goes vers raging and ranting again. I understand you're going through a hard time but if you want people to pay any attention to you then you need to tune down the vitriol a bit.

Also, I said he had lazy hands and poor technique with his hands, not that he is lazy. The video backs that up with video evidence showing it and not just talking it. I figured that would be EASIER on YOU.

I also said he tends to be too aggressive at times and his run defense suffers because of him leaving open lanes. The article AND the video both show that.

I can't make it much easier for you so why don't you just stop constantly looking for any reason to rage at people and chill out because the rest of us are just looking to have a friendly dialog.

I think it would help your case if you put a time stamp showing examples of this

I am not angry at all.

I am simply saying that Garrett is not a lazy player. I read your article and started watching the video, but turned it off because it was amateurish. I didn't see anything that said he was a lazy player.

I have watched a lot of his games, watches some videos of him, and read as much as I can on him.

The "lazy" comment started when mac brought it up on here. Since then, several posters have parroted that thought and called Garrett lazy. I simply do not agree w/that label. A few guys on one message board isn't going to change my mind on that. And again, I am not angry at all. I just don't like false rhetoric.

If you have watched as much video as you claim then you will see where he takes plays off especially if the ball is going to the other edge. Most big guys do so I don't really mind or care that much except to state simply that the behavior is there.

I also clarified that I don't think he is a lazy player. I think he has lazy hands that is a detriment to his "hands" technique. He gets away with it because he is a freak of nature. I think it's totally fixable once he realizes at the NFL level he will have to use it to get by the more elite OT.

I'm on the record for saying I will love it if we manage to draft him SO please don't think I am hating on him. I just pointed out a few things I noticed that make me a little bit nervous. I don't think he will be a bust or anything like that but he might have a bit of a learning curve more than folks think during his rookie year. I am confident though that Joe Thomas will do everything in his power to help the young rook.

I'm more worried that HOrton will teach him how to make terrible tackles and how to whiff instead of wrapping up.

Okay. My bad.

I have just read several posters jumping on the lazy thing and I just don't see it. And again, I have done a lot of research and no one else is saying he is lazy. It's just a handful of posters on this board. If you are not one of those posters, I apologize.

Razor I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were saying Garrett was lazy in the same way Mac has.

I hate the 3-4, but I feel we'd finally have the core pieces you need to run it effectively with a NT and OLBs in Garrett and Collins.

uugghhh............

Pick a defensive player and I can find examples of them being lazy. I feel you just have become hypersensitive to seeing him take a play off and focused on anything that looked like it. Also, I don't just watch his highlight clips. I've watched as many games as possible since he destroyed the SEC his freshmen year. You're forgetting that I pay attention to recruiting religiously. I knew about him back when he was just a kid in high school. I'm not the best person to accuse of just watching highlight clips. I know kids that are going to be stars before most people on here even hear about them.

Question, what did you think of Bosa last year? Also what NFL players do you believe (elite ones) that don't ever take plays off? Of those rare few, how many of them are healthy every season?

mac, I am going to have to ask you for some articles that state that Garrett is a lazy player. I have been defending you a lot on here because I don't like when people gang-up on one guy, but man, you are starting a rumor that others seem to be believing.

Please provide a few reports that say Garrett is a lazy player. Thanks.

I've not found anything that says he's lazy and takes plays off. Actually, the analysis of him that I have seen have very few weaknesses in his game.

I don't like ganging up on Mac too, but it's exactly what you said. I don't like it when a poster says something and other posters assume it's true.

I appreciate the apologies that takes a big man to do. Water under the bridge now though since we don't own the #1 pick anymore. I knew the Browns would find a way to mess up getting Garrett =(

On the flip side Trubisky might be our first target now. I have no clue what they will do now that we can't draft Garrett.

I was so busy with the family today that I didn't get to see that game so it makes me even sadder =( Poor Joe Thomas was crying in the locker room he was so happy to have that win so I even fill guilty about hating that we won and losing out on Garret. Man I just can't win ^^

no player, especially LB's go 100% every play..just not possible..I wanted Garrett because he's got the potential to be a generational player. Not sure i've felt like losing even after a win....still hoping SF pulls out one against LA, but not with Colin at QB...dude will be bagging groceries somewhere

With Chip Kelly, I'm not 100% certain Garrett will go first. He may want a QB.

He could want Watson for his system.

So San Fran runs a 3-4, right?

I thought they had decent linebackers but crap d linemen?

Maybe they value Allen over Garrett.

I could see the 49ers draft Desean for QB since his style could really fit what Chip kelly likes to do.

that could also be a very fair statement swish. Seems i can maybe still dream a little ^^

Opposite.

They spent high picks on Armstead and Buckner.

welp.. still got the #1 spot..

This is great. But unfortunately it means trying to convert you heretics into believing in Jonathan Allen instead of Garrett*

*Which is better than trying to convert you guys to believing in Jonathan Allen over "a QB at #2".

We get the double win today woot!

too bad philly won or it could have been a trifecta lol

Same. 1 A and 1 B for me. But I think Allen gives the team a lot more in run defense. But I'd be estatic with either.

Yeah, I was pulling hard for the Giants. That would have indeed need a perfect NFL week 16.

I really like Garrett for how rare and coveted his skill set and athleticism is.

I really like Allen for how safe of a pick and football smart he is (even if I think he fits best as a 3 Tech at this level).

But man...the more I watch McDowell the more I have a feeling he could end up being the most overall dominant player at their position in this class. I've batted 1000 so far on 34 DE's and he looks every bit as good as watt coming out, maybe even better as a rook.

I don't think it's possible he'll be there with our 2nd pick after Philly won so I'm not sure he's in the cards for us but a guy can hope. C

Malik can be as dominant as he wants to be.

Unless im mistake were at #10. The saints and Cardinals winning helped our case by 2 spots. CinCy has the Ravens and panthers play the buccs. If they win next week we could jump up. Both are playing for pride and to knock rivals out of the playoffs so we have hope. Possibly the chargers winning could help but I'm not sure if their sos could sway high enough. Highly doubt they beat the Chiefs though.

j/c

I like Garrett based mostly on what I've read...I've seen a little more of Allen and I like what I've seen and read on him.

Yesterday, It looked like we harassed Rivers a lot but never quite got to him. What I thought was missing was more effective pressure up the middle and a collapsing pocket. (Operative word being 'effective'.) We sent an extra guy up the middle, but that pressure was oftentimes ineffective. We were getting edge pressure and needed to collapse the pocket...but couldn't do it. (I realize that SD's offense was missing a lot of players.)

Anyway...I came away from the WIN yesterday thinking we need a guy in the middle-ish who can create pocket discomfort perhaps more so than a guy coming from the edge.

JMO

Disagree.

Look at our sacks numbers for the year. Just because you cause pressure versus a bad team does not erase the awfulness of an entire year.


As an FYI Garrett plays Wednesday at 9.

An edge rusher is the way to go. San Diego was playing w/out most of their starting line throughout the day. Man, I thought the Browns had a lot of injuries. The Chargers are truly a MASH unit.

We need impact players and I think that Garrett has WAY more potential to be an impact player than anyone in this draft. I don't even think that it's close.

Weren't they missing 2 or 3 by the end of the game? King Dunlap wasn't playing at all. Either way it was very painful to watch Cam Johnson play yesterday at olb. I don't think he even knocked the LT back one time yesterday, let alone come close to beating the tackle off the snap. it was painful to watch.

Garrett is better than Clowney. They were roughly the same size coming out, but Garrett has been more productive. Garrett has more technique than Clowney did as well.