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Post Win Draft.

Your score is: 9572 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 8: Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Michigan State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 17: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (B+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (A-)

So, are we expecting Garrett to play OLB or DE if we draft him?

Cause I'm confused as to what some of you guys want the front 7 to look like.

I ask because we had ogbah playing OLB, and now he's playing with his hands in the dirt.

Garrett will be an edge rusher in whatever scheme he goes to, right?

Yeah, I think he is the kind of player that will be used to rush the passer. I don't think he'll be dropping into coverage much. Teams run the nickle about 2/3rds of the time and I personally believe that we shouldn't get too wrapped up w/the 3/4 or 4/3 designation.

Garrett is going to be used as a pass rusher and across the LOS run disruptor in the NFL.

Excuse me, Mr. Spell check. Disruptor is a word. Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptor. I like this one: "Disruptor, the Stormcrafter, is a ranged intelligence hero who requires good positioning to use his abilities effectively."

I think Ogbah is playing DE because our base is becoming the nickel, and the other DE's are still pretty light in the butt to play in the 3-4. Cooper and Meder look like the only two who are over 280 lbs.

I dunno.

Honestly bro, I'm torn because of they try and use him as an OLB, im scared he'll turn into Mingo.

If we need a 3-4 DE then Allen seems to make more sense.

I don't mean this to be critical of you, I know these mock drafts are posted mostly for conversational purposes - but - how in the world are Jamal Adams and Ryan Ramczyk available at #33 and #49? They would be dream picks in the 2nd round. I've seen Adams as high as #8 and Ramczyk as high as #20 on the CBS Sports mocks (Rob Rang / Dane Brugler). Are other people drafting while you are, or is a computer doing it?

Garrett is a pass rusher.

Based on my draft above:
OLB: Garrett
MLB: Kirksey
MLB: Collins
OLB: Ogbah
DE: McDowell
NT: Shelton
DE: Bryant

If Bryant doesn't return, Ogbah is at DE, Collins is at OLB, and Davis remains a starter at MLB.

We should draft the Wyoming QB with our #1 pick. That'll really shake some people up wouldn't it?

Texas a&m runs a 3-4 a lot, Garrett has played OLB quite a bit.

Garrett is also bigger, stronger and maybe faster than Mingo.

I guess I'm just under the opinion that we need direct help on the D line.

It's why I'm torn on Garrett or Allen.

I like our LB's being Garrett, Kirksey, Collins, Ogbah.

But I would love our line to be Allen, Shelton, Bryant.

This is a draft I did on first-pick.com, which all other team selections are computer simulated. I was surprised as well about the availability of Adams and Ramczyk, but no way I was going to pass on them.

J/c

Ogbah plays 3 distinct position for this team:

43 Nickel DE in a 4-man line (7-tech+)
34 base defense OLB
34 base defense 5-tech DE (essentially a DT for all intents and purposes, and I may start referring to it as DT since everyone seems to get 5-tech 34 DE confused with 7-tech+ 43 DE)

Garrett is an edge rusher. In this 34 scheme he should be an OLB in base defense and a "DE" in nickel.

We should draft a number of later rd picks from one of our NFL franchise fleecing partners. What could possibly go wrong?

I think both Allen and Garrett are great prospects. I prefer Allen for this team but Garrett is right up there and this defense could use either player.

If both players reach their potential I think Allen helps this defense more then Garrett does. Both are excellent pass rushers for their positions, Allen is also a top run defender at his position.

Horton's defense is sorely missing 2 starting caliber Interior defenders. 2 in base defense and 1 in Nickel, not to mention quality rotational depth.

Both will bump the pass rush, which makes the pass coverage better and the defense better as a whole.
But Allen can also play a key role in the run game at the interior point of attack.

This is the strongest defensive draft class in years. And excuse my doubts as we don't draft so we'll so.....I'll just leave it at that.

I beleive in football you should build a team in 5 key areas.

1( QB play to make everyone around them better.
2) Run the ball to control down and distance and open up the play book.
3) Stop the run and make the opponent one dimensional.
4) Offensive line to keep the QB clean and protected.
5) Pass rush to pressure opponents QB and cause turnovers.

Knowing that I do not see a QB worthy of being the franchise QB to make everyone around him better.

As for the run the ball and protect the QB I would use our second first round pick to select Alabama right tackle Cam Robinson.

Alabama Defensive End Jonathan Allen fits the stop the run and pressure the opponents QB.

I would select Jonathan Allen #1 overall and then select Cam Robinson with our 2nd #1 from Philly.

My as well make it three posts in a row .. Biggest problem is Horton and Coaching staffs doing the monkey see / monkey do thing ... To few prospects in the College Drafts when it comes to running a 3/4 , and to many teams feasting on those few .. Seems like a bunch of Salmon swimming up stream to me ..

It doesn't matter.

Just me personally for next year:

DE- Bryant
NT- Shelton
DE- Ogbah

OLB- Garrett
MLB- Davis
MLB- Kirksey
OLB- Collins

Davis should not be starting if we add an inside linebacker in the draft. We have enough high picks where he should be at most a backup. He is the type of player who will really fall off a cliff as he gets older.

Also, I think there is a very small chance Desmond Bryant is on the team next year. He is thirty one and is coming off a major injury. We also get $3 million in cap savings if we cut him.

This would be my lineup:

DE - Ogbah
DT - Shelton
DT - ???
DE - Garrett

LB - Collins
LB - Kirksey

The subpackage is the base.

Ogbah can man that DT spot. Dude is so versatile!

DE - Nassib
DT - Ogbah
DT - Shelton
DE - Garrett

LB - Kirksey/ Collins

He can, but ideally we draft a person that is talented enough to play and force Nassib into being a rotational player. This is how depth is created.

There's no reason to get rid of Bryant. Just ride him out until his contract is done. Unless you think we are going to spend over 50 million in free agency this offseason.

We are definitely not going to spend that much money, but Bryant getting older/is old and is coming off a major injury. The cap room might not be valuable to us this off-season, but, because we can roll the available money to the next year, it could come in handy down the line.

*Speculation alert"

I would also not be surprised if Bryant is unhappy with the team for reducing his wages when he got injured working out during the off-season.

*Speculation over*

It would not shock me if Bryant is on the roster next year, but based off of what this front office has emphasized, my guess is he will be gone.

(I do not want Bryant to be gone. I think he is a very good player who would fit very well with our current defense.)

I guess what I am ultimately wondering is, what are we waiting for in spending money? It seems like every year we say, "well we will just save it for next year." We never actually do anything with it.

A QB. I'd rather have 100 mil in salary cap every year than have to watch good players leave because we have our money tied up in Willie McGinest and Shaun Rodgers type players.

What good players are we afraid of losing?

85% of our players who are still on their rookie deals.

Theoretically at some point we will have to pay all these players we are going to be drafting in the upcoming years. In 2019, when all these guys are up for extensions, we might want that extra $3 million instead of Desmond Bryant (in a season we will probably be terrible).

I'm tired of reading the crap about the cap, too. I think it is just a few guys who are grasping at something in order to defend the owner/FO.

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Your score is: 9495 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Pat Elflein, C/OG, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 16: Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Davis Webb, QB, California (C+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (B+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)

Did you draft Davis Webb just to say you drafted a QB, or do you really think he can be something?

Took Webb as a developmental QB.

I like him asa developmental guy too.

He's got great size, and a plus arm. He appears to be able to see the field fairly well. He can fit passes into tight windows, but he definitely needs to be "built" as a QG, to learn to play under Center, and to greatly improve his decision making. If we are going to draft a guy with some tools, but who needs to be refined, I'd rather do so in the latter rounds.

quote by SNEBB President Scott Bacon in his week #16 report to the club:

"Frisco has Seattle next week, so no way they steal the #1 from us even if we manage to knock off Pittspuke."

Is this correct?

Do we already have a lock on the #1 pick?

What's he talking about?

President Bacon is wrong.

If we lose we get the #1 pick.

If we win and they lose, they get the #1 pick based on strength of schedule.

If we win and they win, we get the #1 pick.

Thanks

That's what I thought.

Bacon is a very knowledgeable fan. I wouldn't expect him to make such a mistake.

You're sure strength of schedule is still with San Fransisco?

And is it really "weakness of schedule"? (that would make sense - if you lost to weaker opponenets you're weaker, right?)