DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Garoppolo trade to the Browns...rumor

He doesn't have an NFL arm.
Backup at best.

Now that's an endorsement right there, lol

j/c

I have trouble getting behind this idea if it involves a first round pick.

Too often have I seen a QB with little playing time get scooped up to a big NFL deal and fizzle out. Matt Cassel comes to mind immediately.

I liked what Vers had to say about the kid, but often times being thrust into the role of starting QB plays with the mind. With only a couple of starts and being injured in only his second start, there's simply far too many question marks for me.

We certainly do need a QB and if we can get him for a second rounder plus another pick, I'd say go for it. But do we really wish to handcuff ourselves with a huge contract on a virtual unknown commodity?

Color me skeptical...

This. x2.

I first posted something about maybe trading for Jimmy G a while ago. Nothing has happened since to change my mind.

So what you are trying to say is, just stick with RGIII and Kessler for another year, since there isn't an "Clear" better choice?

You'll be spared for at least the beginning of this weeks game .. *LOL* ..

Robert Griffin III - QB - Browns
Browns coach Hue Jackson said Robert Griffin III will start Week 17 against the Steelers barring any setbacks.
Griffin cleared the concussion protocol and returned to practice on Thursday. The quarterback is coming off his best game of the season, but it is still possible he is benched for Cody Kessler during the game. Neither is a fantasy option.
Source: Nate Ulrich on Twitter Dec 29 - 1:08 PM

I think his biggest downfall is holding the ball too long. That is something he can get better at. I'm remaining optimistic about him.

I've said this a few times now - offer up Tenn's 2nd rounder and a conditional pick in 2018. If he lights it up, maybe NE gets another 2nd rounder, or even a first. If he sucks, nada.

Per signing him to a long term deal being part of the negotiations, why? We have rights to Collins, we'd have rights to Garoppolo. I guess it is a gamble either way - (a) pay him 15m a year or whatever it'd take as part of the trade negotiations and hope he turns out to be the guy or (b) don't pay him and have to either franchise him or pay him 20m a year if he lights it up (or much less if he sucks)

Me too - remaining hopeful that is. The guy was a project 3rd round pick not expected to even play this year. He was supposed to sit and learn. (yeah, yeah, we all know about a qb sitting and learning in Cleveland - but that's beside the point.)

You only think Kessler is ok because we have gotten so used to watching VERY slow thinking QB's. When you watch real QB's who make fast decisions its like a whole new world compared to screaming at our screens to get rid of the bleeping ball.

Jimmy G gets rid of the ball FAST. He is one of those rare QBs who make a decision before the snap most of the time. When that decision is a right one then it makes the QB much more efficient and fast getting rid of the ball.

Jimmy G was not drafted as a back up. He was drafted to be Tom's successor. Who could possibly know Tom would be playing this well at his age. I mean its pretty much unheard of. Hell if I was Bill, I would not trade JImmy G away for anything. I'd work out a 1-2 year extension with a huge playing time escalator and after that time is up I would just let Tom go and move on to ensure a long future. If Bill trades Jimmy G away I suspect he will retire when Tom does or come to realize how hard it really is to win the the crap QB's coming out these days.

I haven't seen enough of Jimmy G to be a big fan. Certainly not a big enough fan to trade a first round pick yet, but I will try to watch some tape on him. He seems like the best option if we are desperate to fix the QB spot next year. I have a huge feeling that we are about to get Matt Flynned though.

Or worse, I really have to wonder if he'd even sign here. I certainly wouldn't if there were any other options.

My concern is that the Patriots always seem to victimize their trade partners.

Do they though?

Wonder why they wouldn't re-sign their home grown talent?

If he is such a rare QB, why in the world would the patriots put him on the block?

Tom Brady?

1) Tom Brady says he wants to retire at 45. He micromanages his life 3 years in advance http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness I would bet the Patriots are willing to believe him.
2) Patriots will be strapped for cash next year assuming they re-sign a fair amount of their free agent class.
3) Jimmy G is going to fetch ~15 mil on the open market at least. If Brock Oswelier, who couldn't beat out a QB, who could not throw further than 10 yards last year, can get 15 mil a year. Then Jimmy G should get a lot more.

The Patriots do well for themselves a lot of the time (Seymour, Moss, Dillon, Cassel, etc.), but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be dealt with.

Garoppolo was the qb i wanted us to draft coming out of college, instead we drafted manziel....with that being said of the Patriots want a 1st 2nd and 4th. I say no

JG was a 2nd round pick. IMO, he really hasn't proven anything. If we want him I would offer a 2nd rd pick and a 4th. That's it. Let N.E. fleece someone else.

Why would a QB approaching free agency want to come to this cluster franchise and get himself beat to a pulp?
If I were JG I'd tell my agent if the Browns trade for me I won't resign with them for less than 50 million guaranteed. Then he can go were he chooses and not have to endure a mess like this.

People say they can't imagine trading a top 15 pick for a QB with only two starts in the NFL. Anyone see a problem with that logic? It would be really hard to find a QB in the draft with even one career NFL start. Really hard.
Jimmy G was a high pick when he came out. I'd bet that he's better now. This would be a smart move. It is why we stockpiled picks.

Yes, but they're also 4 years younger, have a guaranteed contract, and the contract costs very little.

My biggest fear with JG is that this is New England and Bill Belichick .... Name me another QB that NE has traded away or let walk that has gone on to perform to the level of expectations that were generated while that QB was a back up in NE.

While no-one could foresee that Brady would be playing at his current level at this age .... it's even more likely that in 12 or 24 months he will hit the wall or retire. . . . if Jimmy G was all that and a bag of chips - then why would NE be letting their next franchise QB walk?

This is a question for all of you guys saying that trading for Jimmy G would be a bad move: I assume you are going to trash the FO if the Browns do indeed make the trade?

I'm not saying I disagree with your post, but in fairness and in reference to the bold above, you could replace 'NE' with any team in the league. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Off the top of my head, Farve is the only guy I can think of and he was unknown until well after the trade. However, I'd give up TN #2 pick for JG in a heartbeat...nothing earlier than that tho.

Why would they do that?

If the Browns got Jimmy G for a 4th round pick - everyone would be pretty happy I expect, regardless of concerns about JG.

For the people that say that it would be good to trade for Jimmy G - would they be happy if we gave up two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks?? Probably not.

So simply put - Unless we know the details of a trade - very hard to judge ahead of time what the reaction or value might be perceived to be . . . . for myself, I wouldn't hate the move. I would maintain the fear that we got the bad end of a deal with a team that has a history of coming out better in trades. I'd root for Jimmy G to be successful and I'd judge the FO based on the performance on the field relative to the cost of the player .... I think that's what most posters want to do regardless of the topic. . . .

While some see (or want to pretend to see) posters mindless loving everything the FO does - I see posters simply saying that you have to give the FO time and more than one season to turn the decrepit roster and culture that they inherited around - and that the total rebuild had a high probability of taking a step back before moving forward. It seems some think the FO needs to never make a mistake - whether in FA, draft or staffing ... the reality is that every team makes mistakes, singling in exclusively on only the bad decisions gives a skewed perspective of the whole. imo

I think Jimmy G is going to be better than any other QB available at that spot in the draft - so I'd probably be pretty happy with that trade.

At the #10 spot in the draft there is a pretty decent chance that Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson or Kizer is available.

Who would posters rather have? Jimmy G or Trubisky, Watson or Kizer? . . . it's unlikely to be that simple - but that's a comparison you can make a quantify. My answer at this stage is that I am not certain but I think I'd lean towards Trubisky.

I agree with your line of thinking there. For me personally tho...I wouldn't take any QB this year at #10 overall and I wouldn't give up the #10 pick for JG either.

I tend to agree with you - I would prefer to take Garret and a top CB or Safety with the two first picks. I think that goes a heck of a long way to righting the disastrous defense. Sign Collins at any cost or franchise him. Add another CB and another Safety..... Defense is in okay or even good shape.

Mitch Trubisky intrigues me and I think he is something of a risk ... but I think the upside is very high. I feel better about Trubisky than I did about Wentz. Wentz is looking like a future Franchise QB .... I think Mitch has that ability too. I'd take a flier on him at #9/10/11 and be happy ... well, I'd be happy if he panned out.

I would prefer Trubisky or Watson.. but I expect at least one of them to be taken by either the 49ers at #2, the Bears at #3. or the Jets at #6. I do not like the idea of picking one of them with the #1 pick, but that may be a fact of life if we try to wait 'til 10. Unless the Eagles lose on Sunday and rise in the draft.

I would rather draft a QB than take Garappolo also ... If They do go after Garappolo I would offer them no more than my 3rd rd. pick, I mean what has he done? ... JMHO

I'm not advocating for Jimmy G here, in fact if they are asking for a first round draft pick, my answer would be a resounding no...However, I also won't compare him to any of the QBs from the Patriots past. He is the highest rated QB they have drafted since Drew Bledsoe. So for the others to walk away and fail, isn't necessarily news worthy.

Garoppolo on the other hand is a second round draft pick, and quite honestly, I had him rated as a low first round prospect. I was happy to see him drop into the second round, but we had already taken Manziel by that point..for the record, I was also happy to get Manziel..moving on...

If I were negotiating, I wouldn't give up a higher draft pick than the Browns second 2nd round pick, plus a mid round pick to go with it. He hasn't proven anything above what his original draft stock was. The middle round pick would be a throw in for their trouble in teaching him the ins and outs of the NFL. Right now he is still an unknown commodity with an injury on his resume...that's about it.

I do think he would be an upgrade to what we currently have, but let's face it, you don't need to reach very far for that statement to be true. I think Kiser, Watson and Trubisky would accomplish the same thing...possibly even Davis Webb, or Mahomes if he does decide to declare.

This team needs a lot more before thinking a QB will turn this team around...Kessler can win games for this team, once they get some holes plugged...maybe not the Super Bowl, but without the support, no other QB will either. It is important to use these first three picks on quality future starters in order to give a QB that support, then add the QB, imho.

If I had to choose because one of them was going to be on the roster in 2017, I would want Kiser. I think he has the most potential of all the others. BUT, I would want him at #33 overall, and he won't be available there.

Here's the other aspect of this question, where and when do you have to take one of these guys?

In my opinion, when the dust settles, I think Kiser and Trubisky will end up top 5 overall picks. I also think the Browns could easily trade out of the #1 overall pick to the Bears and get their 2018 first round pick. Teams are going to fall in love with Kiser in the interview room, I expect him to be the #1 overall pick in this draft when it is all said and done. Now whether that's Cleveland picking or not will be the real question. I have seen a lot of Notre Dame football and I simply don't know if I trust Kiser to rise to the level we need for a Super Bowl contending team..That is why I would not want him at #1 overall. BUT, his skillset is so much higher than everyone else, he would have to be my pick in this scenario, just not at #1.

Trubisky's game film and decision making will make him a top 5 pick as well, but I don't think he is better than 25 other prospects in this draft, QB or not, so I want to stay away from him as well. He doesn't have the experience I am looking for in a top 5 draft pick..plain and simple...but someone will.

Honestly, my next prospect would be Watson in this scenario. He has the experience, success and quite frankly has outperformed the others in this group over a career. His leadership qualities are above the others as well...I'm just not sure his football acumen will propel him at the next level and that scares me.

THEN...I would place Garoppolo next in line, but certainly not with one of our first three picks..

I would rather take a late 2nd, or 3rd round flyer on another QB not named in this scenario than over spend for any of these QBs..

I would take Kiser with #33 or Watson/Trubisky/Garoppolo, gladly with our second 2nd round pick...but nothing before.

Call me the crazy one but I honestly believed Brissett was the top qb last year and people were nuts for not seeing his potential. Bill obviously did as I lost my mind that the most successful franchise in the NFL shared my veiw. I like Jimmy but I think Brissett is better. If Bill even just thinks he CAN be better that is the real reason Jimmy is available. Plus Jacobys rookie deal expires the same time as Tom's current deal.

How about we take Garrett at No. 1 overall, and at 10, we survey the situation. If Trubisky is there, done deal. If not, we offer that pick to NE for their No. 1 (probably last) and Jimmy G.? They can say now they want more, but they would not turn that down, IMO.

Ideally you would want your QB way before the draft so he can participate in the off-season.

Also, if the Patriots want to trade Garoppolo, they probably would want to do it way before the draft. If they hold in to him until after the draft his value plummets.