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A lot of you will think this is strange, but when I scouted, I always started w/a players' worst game.

I noted his negatives and then moved on from there. If those negatives/concerns continued, I would place them in the "Weaknesses" column. After that, you must evaluate if they are correctable weaknesses.

If the weaknesses are too great, you move on. IF they are fixable or not a huge factor, then you move on to find strengths. Then, evaluate those strengths and see if they can be sharpened or will they be negated by stiffer competition.

thanks. If he were playing for any other team than the Patriots, would you still feel the same?

Thanks bone ... if we trade for Jimmy, i'll feel better about it now ..

Hopefully you'll participate in Ed's idea of looking at games ...

ED - since u all ready have the Duke game done .. go ahead and get the ball rolling with that one ..

I live VERS'S idea of looking at the "worst" games first .. makes sense ot me .. depending on how Vers answers this we go with the V-Tech game 2nd ...

VERS - what would u do with a game like V-Tech .. it was played on a beyond soggy field .. HORRIBLE FIELD conditions ... would u even look at it ..

Since it was worst ... think we should do that one second? ..

Please let us know ..

I will never understand why that game was played.

I don't think we should evaluate that game on here. I watched parts of it. That was insane.

The only thing I would watch in that game is how well he handled the ball in comparison to the other qb. Did he drop it more? Did it slip out of his hands more often? Did his passes come up short more often? Things like that.

bone, I think that is a pretty good analysis of Jimmy G.

On the negative side, I remember my criticism of him is that he tried to fit the ball into tight windows too often and I believed that those throws would be picked by the faster NFL defensive players.

He also is a bit short [not too bad] and has smaller hands. He doesn't really have an over the top motion.

But, I agree w/your positives and will add that he has good pocket presence and makes quick decisions. He also seems to have good anticipatory skills.

j/c

Hey fellas i started a thread w/ Mitch vs Duke.

I came back and it was gone? *shrugs*

Yeah, too bad.

They probably saw the title twice and deleted yours. Maybe entitle the thread something like Evaluating QB Game Tapes or Breaking Down QBs.

That's a very good point.
Another thing I would look at is how he handles a game where he struggled.
Does he get flustered and fall apart mentally? Or does he deal with?

No doubt.

J/c

The film breakdown thread is up again.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1204045/film-breakdown-mitch-trubisky#Post1204045

WED DEC. 21, 2016
Who Is Mitch Trubisky?
It’s the question evaluators across the league are scrambling to answer as the first-year UNC starter has established himself as the best draft-eligible quarterback in college football

When Mitch Trubisky took his first recruiting visit to UNC as a high school junior, he was hosted by the Tar Heels’ starting quarterback, Bryn Renner. Renner was an upperclassman, and veteran of this drill. He met Trubisky at the football building knowing only what he needed to: The teenager was from Ohio. And the coaches wanted him bad.

“Anytime a high schooler comes by, you go, ‘O.K., let’s see what this kid is about,’” Renner says. So Renner took Trubisky to his off-campus house, and revved up FIFA with his roommate, running back (and future Cincinnati Bengal) Giovani Bernard.
Renner and Bernard bantered, kicked their feet up on the coffee table, traded taunts. Trubisky sat on the couch in silence. “Come on man,” Bernard said to the recruit, handing him a controller. “We have to break you in, we got to get you more fiery.”

Trubisky cautiously took control. A few minutes later, he scored his first goal. A few minutes after that, he teased Renner for his spotty defense. “And then he started giving it back to us,” Renner says. “He was scoring goals, doing fist pumps, getting up and cheering. It was like [the Adam Sandler movie] The Waterboy, when he opens a can of whoop-[censored] timeline is thrown off,” says his mother, Jeanne. “We thought he’d have one more year. Now we know we’re all going to have to regroup after the bowl game. We’ll see what his plans are, talk it out, and make sure he makes the right decision.”

Meanwhile, with only limited tape, NFL teams are racing to fill in as much info as possible. What they’ve learned: Mitch Trubisky lifts like a linebacker. He was homesick his first year of college. He likes playing Pictionary with his two younger brothers. His family of six makes an annual 18-hour drive to visit grandparents in Florida—and though Mitch has made only one of the last four, his 2016 New Year’s resolution was to call his family more often. He’ll never let a text from his high school coach go unreturned. He’s so popular in his hometown (Mentor, a suburb of Cleveland) that Tar Heel blue became the trendiest shirt color among school kids this fall. He’s reserved upon first introduction (when he called me earlier this week, he introduced himself as if he were cold calling to sell a new line of ski products: “Hello, this is Mitchell Trubisky, the quarterback at the University of North Carolina”), but fearless once comfortable.

And another thing: Trubisky has always had the pedigree to warrant this opportunity. He just needed someone to hand him the controller.


Trubisky might have been born to play football. His parents met as flag football teammates at the University of Akron. Jeanne was a three-sport high school athlete, Dave played four sports. The genes passed on. “He put a pair of skates on, he could skate; put him on a diving board, he’d dive,” Jeanne says. “I don't meant to sound brag-ish, he was just one of those kids who was good at everything.”

Above all, football was his love. In elementary school, he volunteered as a ball boy at varsity games. In middle school, he went to football practice in the afternoon, then came home and ran his own practice in the evening—directing his two younger brothers, Manning and Mason, on routes as younger sister Mariah hiked the ball as a center. He made varsity as a freshman and was a starter as a sophomore. “We were a spread team, and threw a lot,” says Mentor’s head coach, Steve Trivisonno. “But Mitch’s junior year, we really didn’t have a running back, so he had to do most of the running too.” As a senior, he’d be named Ohio’s Mr. Football, becoming the first quarterback in the Greater Cleveland area to ever throw for more than 9,000 career yards.

Ohio’s Mr. Football wanted to go to Ohio State. The Buckeyes made an offer. “But before he was able to accept it, he finds out J.T. Barrett accepted first,” Trivisonno recalls. “Then he has an offer from Michigan State, and he’s thinking about it, but another kid took it right before he did.” It was spring of Trubisky’s junior year, and his recruitment reset. Meanwhile, Larry Fedora had just inherited the North Carolina program, and gave his offensive coordinator, Blake Anderson, control to pick his quarterback. Anderson grew up in Arkansas, played at Baylor, and had most recently coached at Southern Mississippi. Translation: he typically recruits in the South.

“I had never really gone up to the Northeast or Midwest, but there was another kid in Ohio I really liked,” Anderson recalls. That kid: DeShone Kizer.

“As I’m finding out more about Kizer, Trubisky’s name kept coming up,” Anderson says. “I wanted to find out more about him.”

Spring recruiting for college coaches is akin to the recon work NFL scouts do on college campuses. It was a no-contact period, meaning Anderson would visit Ohio but not communicate with Trubisky. Being his first recruit at UNC, Anderson wanted to make sure he got it right. He spent seven hours at Mentor High School. He got burgers with the Mentor coaches. He talked to a dozen people at the school, from the secretary to the principal, and asked what they thought of Trubisky. “They said all the things you want to hear: He cares about others, he has a good work ethic. These two things always came up: He’s a great kid, he loves his family,” Anderson says. “But what sold me was how he practiced.”

Mentor closed with a team period, offense versus defense. The coaches let Trubisky run it. “He called plays, formations, everything,” Anderson says. “It was like watching a coach on the field. It was like watching a seasoned vet, not a junior in high school. I mean, it’s stuff I hope our college players can do.” UNC offered Trubisky a scholarship the next day. Trubisky’s recruitment tour had spanned seven states. When he told his parents he wanted to add North Carolina, Jeanne sighed. “Honey, we’re out of money,” she told her son. Trivisonno ended up going as a chaperone. “He wasn’t even off the plane yet and he was telling us he was ready to commit,” Jeanne recalls. “I said, ‘alright, let’s settle down,’ but he said, ‘No, mom, this is it. This is where I belong.’”
Renner has one other vivid memory from Trubisky’s recruiting visit. After playing FIFA, they talked about life. Trubisky mentioned his goals; he gushed about his family. Recalls Renner: “When Mitch left, I remember Gio [Bernard] said, ‘That’s a mature guy right there. There’s something about him.’”

The first question NFL teams pose about Trubisky is this: If he’s so good, why did it take him so long to get on the field? Renner’s last season was 2013, opening a competition between Trubisky and dual threat QB Marquise Williams, two years ahead of Trubiksy and an effective fill-in for an injured Renner. Many inside the North Carolina program describe a tense, seesawing battle entering the ’14 season. Fedora ultimately chose Williams, perhaps due in part to seniority, though he utilized a two-quarterback system, putting Trubisky on the field. “It was hard, at times,” Trubisky says. “That first year, that was the farthest I’ve been from my family ever. They were nine hours away, and with my two brothers and my sister all competing in sports, they couldn’t always make the trip. I was really homesick. Then when things don’t quite go as you’d like, you learn about yourself. I’m so appreciative of everyone who supported me but there were times where I had doubts.”

Renner spent time with the Broncos and Ravens, plus a cup of coffee with three other teams (he made it to the final cut down with the Steelers last summer). When he graduated, he offered this advice to Trubisky: You have to create your own opportunities. “Reps are few and far between,” Renner said to his mentee. “You might have to stay after with the guys to get throws in. That’s what I did when T.J. [Yates] was here, and that’s what you might need to do.” As Renner soaked in more time in NFL quarterback rooms, he brought other tidbits. “When I saw how Peyton Manning, and [Joe] Flacco prepared, and all those guys behind them, you learn that mental reps do mean something,” Renner says.

When Renner returned to UNC for spring practices last April, he noticed something: Trubisky had learned. He was seeing the field more clearly. He was playing with poise, as if he’d been there before.

“I don’t know when it clicked for me, but it was just this realization that as a quarterback, you can decide how good you want to be, it all comes down to staying locked in at practice,” Trubisky says. “I’d stand behind the other quarterback taking the rep and go through it every single time. I thought, Where would I go with the ball? What footwork would I do? If I physically wasn’t going to take the rep, I was going to mentally take it.”

As for the wave of attention? He's riding it. “Really, the weirdest thing has been random people Tweeting at me,” he says. “That’s something I might never get used to.”
Adds mom: “He thinks it’s funny when people want his autograph. He’ll say, ‘That’s silly, why do they want that?’ Mitch is someone who has always had the spotlight on him, but doesn’t react to it. Really, what you see on the field is how he is off it. He's not quiet, he’s just not showy. He’ll rarely celebrate. Sometimes he’s probably internalizing, but he internalizes well. That’s what makes him a good quarterback.”

Earlier this month, Renner returned to Chapel Hill to attend a basketball game. He texted Trubisky, and the two grabbed dinner.

“I expected him to be nervous,” Renner says. “I was freaking out when I was in his position. I said, ‘You have such a big decision to make, are you nervous at all?’”

“Nope,” Mitch said. Then he placed an order for nachos.
“It’s crazy, he was just same old Mitch,” Renner says.
In the corner of the restaurant, TVs played the college awards program. Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson was accepting the Davey O’Brien award, as the nation’s best quarterback.

Renner saw Trubisky’s eyes hone in. “I should be there,” he muttered.

Responded Renner: “You know what, it’s almost better that you’re not. You can fly under the radar and go make a real statement.”

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/12/21/nfl-d...els-quarterback

But how big are Mitch's hands?

We will find out at the combine I imagine

I don't know how big they are, but if you compare the V Tech game to the water bottle test, I'm not sure he passed it.

I think Mitch might have the skills, but I'm not sure he has the intangibles I'd like for the job. There was an article on the MMQB and it kind of crystallized one of my concerns.

Link

I know it happens, but the homesickness reason for struggling kind of makes me worry. Most of the great QBs that I can think of were the alpha dogs amongst the alpha dogs. Brees, Brady, Manning, etc, they grab control of their teams and they are the dude in their offense. Some may be the system he is in, but I don't really get that sense from Trubisky. He seems to be waiting for the coach to tell him what to do more than taking command. He could grow in that area maybe, but it doesn't really seem to be his personality.

I like the bit about his making all the calls in high school, but I'm not sure about the confidence. In the right situation, I think he might be successful. On our team, I think his confidence could get shook early. I'm not sure he'd get the time to find it.

Hue could be the right guy for him in that respect as far as pumping him up and keeping him positive, but I'm not banking on it. I guess he would be close to family in Cleveland if that really was the issue.

He does seem like a great kid off the field.

I think the negativity has finally rubbed off on me this season. I kind of find myself expecting everything that can go wrong to go wrong now in regards to the Browns.

They played that game in a hurricane, not fair to judge.

I think you're getting a bit nit picky. First, homesickness in an 18/19 year old in their first semester of college is very normal. I dealt with it and i'm sure many have. College is a huge change, and it's on a young kid. I don't think it's indicative if it'll happen later in his life either.

We have no idea if Peyton, Brees, Brady, etc had homesickness in their first sememster of college as freshman either.


But it's a very normal thing and happens for many different reasons.

I agree with you to a point, but he was a backup for three years behind a pair of rather mediocre QBs. Homesickness can happen, but 3 years to adjust?

It is nitpicking a bit, but sometimes those little things are manifestations of bigger underlying things. It kind of ties into dealing with adversity to me. If he can't handle being away from home, how will he handle the adversity being on the Browns would throw at him?

It's not a deal breaker. I can't dig in like NFL teams can, but it's something I'd dig into if I had the resources.

That North Carolina team has a lot of talent on it, but they don't always perform up to it. As the QB, he's looked to as the leader. I'm not sure he's top flight in that area. It's something to look into.

That was "said" somewhat tongue in cheek. I thought the water bottle test was pretty ridiculous.

Being able to control the football at QB is important, but the way that "test" was delivered wasn't very insightful. Kind of like playing in a hurricane.

I think he was redshirted for 2013......... 2014 and 2015 he was behind Marquise Williams.

The guy was a pretty good college QB. They said the competition was very close too. Williams was a dual threat QB, and maybe with his experience, the system UNC was running, and the personnel around him, Williams edged him out.

I mean, the guy was looked at by the Bears and hte Packers, he went 11-3 in 2015 (losing to South Carolina, Clemson, and Baylor), and his stats in 2014 aren't that bad.


And I'm not getting behind Trubisky or anything. I just don't think some homesickness his first year (which anyone can go through at that age) and not beating out Marquise Williams condemns the guy



I think the fact that he played so few games is what makes me so nervous about him

I wouldn't mind getting Trubisky.. but he doesn't look worthy of a top 10 pick QB to me...

I wouldn't mind Mitch if we traded down out of our philly pick into the low teens, but I don't think he's going to last that long, so if they want him, they are probably going to have to pick him with that second pick where it sits..

He won't make it to our second first round pick because either the 49ers or the Jets will grab him first.

Chad Kelly has nice physical tools, but he comes across as a dumbass. I feel like he'd be a worse version of Jay Cutler.

I'll take a dumb ass leader any day over a timid scholar like Paxton Lynch or Blake Bortles.

What draws me to Chad is his leadership ability and his gut. I know that backfired with Manziel, but that's why you only spend a 4th rounder on those types to begin with.

I completely disagree.

A dumbass is going to make dumbass mistakes that cost teams games. I don't need a QB to act as a cheerleader and motivate guys.

Bro, kelly has that it factor.

If we can't land trubisky or trade for JG then I would be more than fine taking Kelly in round 3 or even late round 2.

So does everyone else.

http://grantland.com/features/it-factor-nfl-quarterback-intangibles/

Manziel had it too.

I've seen a few things saying Kelly can be a butthole.

But there's one thing those other nerds aren't... A leader. He's a motivator, but it comes from him being at the front lines, not as a cheer leader. I don't know if he'll be any good, or anything to put our future on, but leadership is a necessary component for a QB and it doesn't come through coaching.

There is something inherent to leadership, but I do think it can be improved through "coaching." Urban Meyer does a lot of leadership training with the Buckeyes players and staff.

8 Culture and Leadership Lessons From Urban Meyer

Sun bowl today at 2 pm on CBS

Trubisky, scrambling, just ran into the ref and fumbled.

ooomph.

If he can get caught under a flag before the end of the game, he will be the next #1 draft pick of the Cleveland Browns....