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The aim of this thread is to conduct a layman's evaluation and discussion of QBs by looking at games/game cut-ups.

http://draftbreakdown.com/

noonkick.com


All are welcome with the expectation that specific plays will be discussed.


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The 1st game for this project is Mitch Trubisky vs Duke.

Other games will be chosen based on interest and availability.


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U said you all ready had notes ... where are they? .. thats why i picked it .. *L* ..




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didn't want to lead or bias one way or another....

plays that stood out:

1:17
2:30
3:20
4:15
5:40
6:45
7:02
8:00
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ed, you may want to change the title and leave out Trubisky's name. It might get deleted again as a duplicate thread. Then, just edit your original post and say something like....."Let's start w/Mitch Trubisky."

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2nd play ... love how he calmly slides left ... very smooth while keeping his eyes downfield ... eventually runs to the right for the first down ... gave the play plenty of time to develop ... very calm feet while "sliding" to his left ...

1:17 - alot to like on that play ... starting with the OL ... lots of time .... went through his progressions ... started on the left sideline and came all the way back to the right sideline .. no happy feet ... once he made up his mind whee he was going .. the ball got out of his hands ... showed he has plenty of arm strength as the ball got their quick and accurately ...

2:17 - 1st time they really brought pressure ... recognized it pre-snap or recognized it immediately after the snap .. got rid of the ball right away and made an OK throw .. reciever made a real nice catch ... nice play .. good recognition .. not a good throw but the timing was off due to the pressure and it was a catchable ball ..

3:42 - pocket collapsed .. couldn't really step in to it and couldn't follow through at all .. zipped it about 18 yards down the middle .. showed arm strength with pressure directly in front of him ..

5:40 - showed the arm to throw to the sideline from the opposite hash .. was short - intermediate throw from the other hash ..

6:40 - curious as to what u saw on that play ...

7:02 - showed his maneuverability and strength .. nice ..

8:02 - impressive maneuvering in the pocket .. manipulated it well and kept his head up .. very nice ..

Last play - bad decision .. should have thrown it away .. i understand the time constraints but on that one u have to live to fight another day ...

Tail of two halves ..

1st half he had all day to throw .. picked them apart .. showed strong, accurate arm with the ability to manipulate the pocket when need be ...

2nd half - they brought alot more pressure .. he manipulated the pocket well and kept his head up .. DIDN'T LOOK TO RUN FIRST .. and he can run .. hes not a stud running but hes well above average ... i love that he didn't automatically take off ... EVER ...

What u got Ed ..

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I was watching this cut-up last time and the thread got deleted. I'm afraid it will again w/this particular title. I'll wait. LOL

I will say this real quick, though. A couple of things stood out to me.

--He had all day to throw on most plays. Pocket was huge.

--He has strong arm and is a good runner.

--Struggled when he was pressured. Need to see more of how he reacts to pressure, because all qbs get pressured in NFL.

--His last throw was concerning, as I believe it isn't the first time.

--Still think we should have started w/Georgia game.

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We can do that one next ... i didn't see u suggest that one if u did ...




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Huh? We talked about it on the other Trubinsky thread.

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I must have missed it bro ... oops ..

We can do that one next ... i actually can't wait ..

How long before u feel comfie this thread will stick around so i can see what u saw .. *L* at see what u saw ... don't ask me why just found that funny .. *L* ...

Can't wait to see your breakdown ...




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Good stuff dd.
here are my notes from before:

My quick thoughts from watching:

o easy velocity, doesn't have to 'muscle up' to throw with power (e.g. corner route)

o 1:17 was his best throw of the game for me. He reads through his progression start from left to right and uncorks a sideline comeback/backshoulder throw

o showed some athleticism and willingness to use his legs on few occasions 7:02, 8:00, 1020

o missed throws/inaccurate 2:30. 3:20, 4:15, 5:40, 6:45

o made 3 very poor decisions/ 2 were picked off e.g 6:00, 7:30, 1046 end the game

o has a quick release but not your typical throwing motion, doesn't fully extend his arm
his throwing motion reminds me a lot of John Beck/Ryan Tannehill

o good ball handling with play action


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http://draftbreakdown.com/video/mitch-trubisky-vs-miami-2016/

Here is a breakdown video vs Miami.

I'm interested in reading people's breakdown of this game. He has some great throws but mixes in some real stinkers.


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I'm up for any game, but before we move to the next game do you have any thoughts on this current game?

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I haven't had a chance to do more than a cursory look of the tapes. I have seen several games live on tv as I live in NC.

Mitch has good size and is a strong guy with a strong arm.

Offense is very simple and he will have a steep learning curve.

He is inconsistent. He makes some great throws and some wild ones. I think because he gets lax with his footwork.

I'm going to wait until he declares before I spend to much time digging into film.

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Well if you change your mind and want join the discussion/breakdown of this game it would be welcomed.

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if I can find the time, things get tight around the holidays.


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6:40 - curious as to what u saw on that play ...
Clean pocket, receiver was interfered with, shows the arm talent dude makes that throw look easy...a lil long a thought but again who knows cuz receiver was impeded

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I went through the 1st half again/will post 2nd half tomorrow time permitting:

12s (3rd & 4) Clean pocket. Missed open receiver.- Shuffles/drifts left. But improvs and scrambles to get 1st down.+ Avoided contact.-+

25s Play Action. Roll (L). 17yd throw on the run flashes that big arm.+

38s Clean pocket. Goes through progressions, holds FS, throws the seam Off Target. Like the aggression of the throw though.+-

45s Clean pocket. 30yd corner route. On time,on target for TD. Looks like a half field read. Makes throw with ease shows arm strength.+

1:16 Clean pocket. PA w/ plenty of time. Full field progression. Gets to backside comeback w/ tight coverage. 30 yd throw in the air. Wow throw for arm talent.++

1:46 Clean pocket. PA. ~35 yd seam-post. Great throw.+

2:21 (3rd & 10) Pressure. ID in the face. Throws Out route off backfoot. Off Target low. Nice catch from Bug.+-

2:36 Clean pocket. PA. Rips a dig route 18yd in air. On time, on target. TD on yac.+

2:59 (3rd & 9) Late Pressure. Has functional room. Off Target underthrown Preohl forced to wait on ball TD? -

3:43 Muddy Pocket. OL walked back, has to throw with just arm. Goes thru progression gets to 2nd read. Off Target high (caught).+-

4:00 PA. Pump fake. Late pressure. TE seam in stride.+

4:37 Read Option. Good read. Gets down protects himself from contact.+

4:46 (3rd & 3) Clean pocket. Read (L) to (R). Misses Bug on the hitch/stick. Forces to Proehl broken up/dropped int. Bad Decision.-

5:29 Clean pocket /surrounded. On time to Switzer on the double out; just a hair behind him though. ? Accuracy

5:53 Clean pocket /surrounded. Bad Decision. Into double coverage on Go route. PBU Dropped pickle.-

6:09 Quick pressure. Free rusher. Is reading (R). Evades +. Don’t know where the pre-snap was, IF it was choice he would have been better off starting (L) had Switzer?slot (L) in cut. Meets more pressure on the scramble. Throws off backfoot. Off Target. Bad Decision. -

6:17 (3 & 10) Initial clean pocket. Pressure flashes. Reading (L) I can’t see what’s happening on the read side. Bug comes open on a drag (R) to (L) when the pressure comes. Tries to scramble out, sack. -.5 ?
Didn't make a bad play worse.



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ok I'll try to hang with ya'll

:52 Hikes the ball on opp 20 yd line...drops back 5 yds and throws it...hits WR i think 6 yds deep in endzone...nice timing throw and good ball placement. WR was wide open, but I thought that play looked well polished, and well executed very well.


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I'd LOVE to hang with you bro ... we'd have a GREAT TIME and laugh our asses off all night long .... thumbsup

ED - thanks for taking the time ... now i gotta go back and look at a few things .... *L* ...

Whats PA stand for? ...




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Quote:
Whats PA stand for? ...


I would assume it means "Play Action".


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link from the OP to noonkick:

http://noonkick.com/

^^ full games

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2nd half

6:09 Immediate pressure. Evades.+

6:33 PA. Clean pocket. Late pressure. 2 defenders in passing window. PBU & great play from LB for interception. Bad Decision. -

7:07 PA. Immediate pressure. Evades+. Makes checkdown to #6.+

7:41 Late pressure. Has space to step up. Delivers on time, on target.

8:01 Clean pocket.Far hash to opposite sideline comeback. Arm strength+

8:20 Late pressure. Shows easy arm strength throwing deep.+ A hair overthrown -.5

8:58 (3rd&7) Clean pocket.Held ball?(don't know what's happening downfield though). Steps up in pocket scrambles no gain.

9:23 (3rd&6) Clean pocket. Held ball?(can't see). Scrambles improve converts 1st down. Scramble/run/evade+

9:33 Clean pocket. Held ball, missed #17 in cut/hitch (R). Late pressure, throws off backfoot INT. Bad Decision.

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UNC v Duke

Under pressure plays:6 muddy:1

Evasion plays:4
Plus displays of arm talent:4
Improvisation:2
Plus progression/cov read:4
Movement throw:1
Run instincts:2

Held ball/missed receiver:4
Off backfoot:2
Off target:4.25
Bad Decisions:6



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Are we still doing this?

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Originally Posted By: edromeo
Are we still doing this?


I want to ... been busy .. should have some time this weekend ..




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Originally Posted By: candyman92


"Money-Mitch". Me likes it.

Man I love this dudes throwing motion. QUICK release. No wind up. He makes Griffin look silly.

He nails those Outs and Seam Routes. Top notch pocket presence.

Experience is that one damn thing lacking.

I'm going to make an observation here. Watching what he did against FSU. And I saw the entire game. Plus the above footage. There was a name that came to my mind when he was gunning those Seams and those middle TD passes from the Red Zone. I thought to myself, man this dude's gonna be REALLY good in a year or two. I thought the SAME thing when I saw 2 QBs in the past. Those names are:

Luck & Rivers.

If this kid is there with the Philly pick, I'm TAKING him and not looking back. Damn the experience factor. This kid is a POCKET Passer with exceptional mobility.

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Give me:

Garrett
Trubisky
CB & FS in first 4 picks.

This is a solid 2 round deep Secondary draft. You'll get immediate starters.

Desmond King at 33 would be nice.

Sign Stephon Gilmore.

I'd cream if Hooker came out and made it to 33.

Garrett
Trubs
Hooker
King

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candy and kwhip,
did you see anything from the current game we are discussing that you want to comment on or highlight? any plays that display attributes you like?

Nothing against what you posted I think it fits better here: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1185465/mitch-trubisky#Post1185465

even though this threads is getting crickets and cobwebs just wanted to remind you of the intent for this thread from the OP:

The aim of this thread is to conduct a layman's evaluation and discussion of QBs by looking at games/game cut-ups.


All are welcome with the expectation that specific plays will be discussed.

Would love to hear your thoughts from this game

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UNC v Duke

Under pressure plays: 221, 259, 343, 609, 707
muddy pocket: 529, 553, 617, 633,741

Evasion plays: 609, 707, 923
Plus displays of arm talent: 25, 45, 116, 146, 801, 820
Improvisation: 12, 707, 858, 923
Plus progression/cov read: 38, 116
Movement throw: 25
Run instincts: 12, 437

Held ball/missed receiver: 12, 858?, 923?
Off backfoot:221, 343, 609, 933
Off target: 38, 221, 259, 343, 529, 820
Bad Decisions: 446, 553, 609, 633, 933

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I liked what I saw against Duke for the most part ...

- went through his progressions ...
- can make all the throws ... above average arm ..
- moved well in the pocket, looked to pass 1st ... very atheletic
- accurate for the most part ... he did miss some throws ...

He's far from perfect .. so far .. he's intriguing ...

If u got any questions ed .... please ask ... if not, its on to the next game ...




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Hey, i'm gonna scale back from posting game notes for each play and just give a recap w/ time stamps.

Doesn't appear to be as much interest as I thought.

What game next? Georgia? (btw the full Georgia game, not the cut-up, is on noonkick)

These are the games cut-ups available thru draftbreakdown/youtube
vs Pittsburgh
vs Florida State
vs Virginia Tech
vs Miami
vs Virginia
vs Duke
vs NC State

2015
vs Wake Forest, Duke, & Miami

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What game/s would you suggest for Kizer?

Might not be worth planning for 3 games of each w/ this little interest.

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I vote for georgia ...

U post your times .... i'll post my thoughts with times and we'll go from there ... if no one else wants to play .. nuttin we can do about that .... i'll be learning just from watching the film and stating my thoughts ...




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Cool, any suggestions of Kizer?

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Cool, any suggestions of Kizer?


I haven't seen anyone on the board who is fond of him.


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I've met him in person and he has a lousy personality. I really hope Kizer never gets even close to being drafted by us.


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Originally Posted By: edromeo
Cool, any suggestions of Kizer?


I saw them all ... he had bad 2nd half's in most games ... witch one was the worst? ... huh ... there's a few to choose from ...

Duke i guess ... michigan state ... stanford ... usc ... lots of bad ones .. he stunk in the 2nd half of the Miami game also .. but he did lead a TD drive on the last series to pull it out ... virginia tech ....




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I've met him in person and he has a lousy personality. I really hope Kizer never gets even close to being drafted by us.


When did you meet him and how old was he? What made him lousy?


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Kizer reminds me of Aaron Brooks. I think he will have incredibly high points and incredibly low points in the NFL.

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