DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Terrelle Pryor's extension unlikely to come by season's end, Isaiah Crowell still aiming for 1,000 and more

Looks slow here:




And here:



And here is a breakdown of his running style:



Just admit you are wrong. Don't be a Vambo.

Personal attacks and starting arguments is your style. How pathetic!

All considered, I keep Collins first. That is my #1 target.


He can be a legit pass rusher and all around player. It's harder to find those guys then it to find a top 30 receiver.

The quickest and surest way to improve the team is to harden the D. Keep the game close on that end first. Right now, we have to score 30 to win.

We have the resources to keep both players. Use them. We need both of them to help build this team.

We really don't. I hope we trade down in the draft and when it finally comes time for our pick? Trade down again!

Yeah I would agree with that. Money aside , and I don't care much about that - I'd rather keep Collins than TP. But if we do that we have to address the WR spot if Pryor leaves.

So if Pryor ends up taking a deal from another team that isn't incentive based and does overpay him, will the narrative streak of not being able to keep our own still reside on your posts? I mean, that's kinda what it boils down to now, right? You've said the Browns need to keep Pryor. So what if they can't get something done and he ends up getting a deal that is more guaranteed money-based (like almost all of them) compared to an incentives-based deal? Would you still blame the FO?

I hold out hope that the FO and Pryor will come to an agreement. I truly feel that way. But if it doesn't and Pryor gets a crap ton of money, does the FO get the blame similar to the Benjamin and Gipson contracts at their respective positions? Because I'm thinking SD and JAX may be having second thoughts. ...And I'm someone who wanted Benji back at the right price. How about that Buster Skrine deal? (not this FO but it goes with my point about people getting pissed about certain Bronws' FA deals)

Again (and this part isn't directed at you mac) but just because the FO has money doesn't mean they should spend it wildly. Just because Pryor is an asset to this team doesn't mean we need to pay him #1 WR money. His production, his consistency, his time playing the actual position doesn't warrant it, IMO. If someone wants to overpay for him, it'll suck, but that's how it goes sometimes.

the spin to defend the FO is already underway LOL

When healthy, Bitonio is one of the best guards in the NFL. I'm pretty sure the team knows it and he'll be signed. I'm not too worried about that. Kirksey has been one of the most consistent, productive defensive players we've had- both in coverage, stopping the run, and getting after the QB. He's becoming a very dynamic LB. He'll get paid either here or elsewhere. Even last year, playing behind Robertson, he showed flashes of what he could do as a starting LB. To think some people said he was nothing but a special teams player....LOL.

So that's why I think they're worth more. I think they provide more value at their respective positions, have done it more than Pryor, and think that's where more guaranteed money should go.

Collins
Bitonio
Kirksey
Pryor
Crowell

That's my priority list as of right now. Feel free to disagree.

Again....another garbage post.

I've ALWAYS had this point of view about every FO and every free agent. I'm probably the biggest Heckert apologist on this board and I didn't want to sign Skrine as a top CB. I wanted Benji to stay but not at the contract he eventually received. Same thing goes with Gipson. We've always been at the top of the cap space game since 2010 and my views on players and how we treat them (based on my opinion on their value) in FA has never wavered. Pryor is not different. I want him to stay but don't want to overpay for him in any significant way.

Don't come on here with that BS. Typical Vers (copyrighted).

We need a QB.

Agreed. I fully expect we have a salary structure designed for long-term sustainability. I don't believe we are cheap, rather that we are good planners...

I am not sating I don't want to keep TP, I am saying that Collins would be my first order of business.

If I am going to have to overpay and just throw a ton at a player, I would rather it be at Collins, so get him nailed down, then work on Pryor.

I really want to keep Collins. He will see more impact plays with every down than TP.
I was impressed earlier in the season. Keeping him might well be a Mack replay. If he wants to be here, he can make that happen; he also can make an exit if it is a ridiculous payday. He needs to be talking soon, but TP at HIS price? Not sure he has proven he is worth it to me. Given the parade throwing at him, his production has been good, not great. But we also seemed to be forcing his targets in some games. He is developing some bad habits like pushing off regularly and seems to have some drops issues.

Not superstar, not yet anyhow. I prioritize Collins first. Then negotiate with TP's ego.
Get something for him if he gets cute.

j/c:

People are saying we shouldn't trade for Jimmy G because Belichick must not think highly of him and that he wants to fleece us. Yet, those same people want to franchise a player that Belichick almost gave away.

Weird.

Again, the spin is on. Defend the FO at all costs and pretend you are being logical.

I was all for re-signing TP in early November ... but now? Not so sure. He really regressed the last 6 weeks.

Maybe teams figured him out. Maybe the QB play is the reason. I'm not sure.

So, people say that a guys like Michael Thomas and Shepard wouldn't be playing well here because the supporting cast sucks so much, but now it is Pryor's fault that he has "regressed" the last few games?

How many WRs could actually thrive w/the talent that is on this offense? How many could put up the numbers that TP has put up?
How many WRs have his ceiling?
How many WRs grew that much in one year?

And you guys wanna let him go? LMAO.........the spin is on. Defend the FO no matter what!

do you put his QB situation into the equation at all? Where would he be with a Tom Brady as his QB? or Manning or Rogers, or Prescott or,,, shall I continue?

I haven't said anything about Jimmy G. I was simply saying I would sign Collins first.

I put j/c at the top of my post.

It means "just clicking" on your post and not necessarily directed to you.

What "people" are saying this? I think the overwhelming tone is that dawgs on this board want him to stay.... but at the right price.

No, never even thought about that .... thanks for bringing it up, not sure what i would do without U .. whatever he wants ... lets just pay it ... ..

Some of us aren't DOLTS ..



U should never even start much less continue .. *LOL* ..

Look man .. someone brought up his drop #'s ... said he had 4 ... he had that many in the last two games ... and he dropped at least 1 in the 3 or 4 games prior to those two ... no clue where dude got the 4 drops number from but its a JOKE at best ...

Vers can show all the film he wants about how fast Pryor is ... all i know is it DIDN'T TRANSLATE TO PLAYING WR THIS YEAR FOR THE BROWNS ... he beat db's once or twice deep all year long ... he outran NO ONE this year with or without the ball .. maybe once .. the video against Pitt wouldn't play for me ... so i couldn't see if he actually outran anyone .. if he did .. GREAT ... ONE TIME ALL YEAR with the ball on his hands ... WOOOHOOOO ...

Gimme a break ... maybe next year if he learns how to beat press or feels more comfie in playing WR that speed will translate .. but so far .. NADA ... ZILCH on the speed end ...

Bottom line .... he's going to command top 10 WR money and we have NO CLUE weather he will ever be worth it ... he has a shot ... but he's FAR FROM A PROVEN COMMODITY ... he is still at the beginning stages of learning how to play WR much less how to play it in the NFL ..

Everyone else would rather re-sign Collins over TP .. if i had to pick one .. it would be TP cause of his ATTITUDE ... he's a "me" guy in that he acts like a two year old when things aren't going well .. collins is a "me" guy in the worst possible way ... he proved top Billicheck he is going to do what he wants regardless of what the D scheme calls for him to do ..

Anotherwords he says ... Heck with my responsibilities, I'm gonna do what I WANT ...

Sorry ... i could care less how good he is .. and he is AN ATHELETIC FREAK ... but i don't want to build around that attitude ... it HARLY EVER ends well ..

But thats just me ...

j/c



I don't know if you miss the point so often because you don't comprehend it...or refuse to actually read what other people post...or because you purposely leave out half of the facts so you can make some ridiculous comment...in any event, it ends up showing just how much you missed the point.

I don't think there is ONE person on this board that wants to just let Pryor walk...not ONE...it's all about what it would take to sign him. It's very simple to most everyone on this board.

Imagine if I would have said that.

Some posters can get away with anything on these boards.

Instead of bullying try listening.

It is not the fault of others that you don't want to be educated.

Found this list:

http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/

If we could slot Pryor into that lost around the Maclin / Sanders contracts at $11 mill a year based on incentives that mean he has to maintain a minimum of this year's performance. 4 year contract, option for a 5th. Between $17-22 guaranteed. . . . I find it hard to see how he could truly complain.

While I think some of the struggles the last few games have been due to the bad play by the Browns - he's also dropped balls which is all him .... but as a WR he is still so new to the position he does have a ton of potential to continue to improve if he has the desire and work ethic. . . . to me he's tremendously gifted physically and he gets his hands on the ball in 50-50 situations. I've seen the same thing with the smaller Coleman - seems like he has a knack for timing his jump and beating the defender to the ball. I also think for a big man he manages to get short area separation - which is more important than being simply a burner.

You would have had Memphis, Willie, 888, and Vambo [provided you said it about me or mac] all "like" the post. LOL

Guys like you need to stick together. It's your only chance.

j/c

I keep hearing "at the right price". Let's look at that for a moment shall we?

I hope people understand we have no QB. Now if you were a WR, would you accept an incentive laden contract from a team that had nothing at the QB position? Now if it were a team with a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers that would be an entirely different thing. But the fact we have no QB could severely limit a WR's production. Logic dictates a WR would not be open to such a contract here.

As it stands, we have no real O or D on this team. At seasons end, we will have won either one or two games. The players in this league consider us losers as the rightfully should. The fact is, the Browns are not a desirable landing spot.

So the fact is, to keep our players or sign FA's, we will overpay or they will leave. If this FO sits in their ivory tower and thinks all things are equal, they are missing the point.

Missed it....sorry buddy.

But I wouldn't have been able to pull off pretending to be a victim while still being in full pit bull mode and attacking everyone else on the board like you do so well.

Again, I am sorry that you don't want to be educated. Most of us put the JR High School shot-put coach on a pedestal because of all the wisdom that you give that would take eons for the rest of us to acquire, such as "grunt and throw it idiot!". We all talk about Buddah and Ghandi saying such things all of the time, despite their deficiencies in sports, but it doesn't give the same impact as a balding man with a "honk if you ate tacos today" t-shirt. You sir, are the master of your own domain which extends far beyond Mrs Rogers rose bushes despite her obvious misguided objections and the recent court order that prevents your free movement to those reaches of your realm.

Please ignore a peon such as myself objecting to your spewing of what you normally spew. I know not of pretending of knowing what I do not know. You have that mastered that as long as nobody asks questions.

Some will call it the coming of the Messiah as you proceed well past Mrs Roger's rose bushes and declare the the definitive direction for the Cleveland Browns next year. Others will probably call the cops. No matter what we call it though, we will all bow, because that is what you want and we all exist to serve you. It's all about you here on Dawgtalkers and it's the only reason that the rest of us exist. Actually, we all really existed here to agree with Mac but he tried to make us follow the path of the Steelers and that is the dark side of the force young Skywalker. When Mac failed us, we all had to gravitate to you.

So now you have this huge responsibility because we are all counting on you to lead us.

Get educated.

Just so you know, as soon as I saw you quoted me, I didn't even bother to read the rest of your drivel.

It's getting to the point, I can't hardly read any of this crap on this forum.

May I ask what the hell are you talking about? Where did I bash Collins?

I wasn't bashing Collins. My point was that why are people saying we shouldn't trade for Jimmy G because Belichick will fleece us, but they liked the Collins' trade.

Hmmmmm.........I guess that can still be misinterpreted. Let me put it this way......I think the argument of not trading for Jimmy G because of Belichick is lame. I think Jimmy G is a good qb and he would really help the Browns.

I think so too.

I guess the question is what kind of compensation is involved?

If it is a 3rd rounder, I consider that a safe area. If he doesn't work out, we aren't out that much. 2nd rounder, the risk increases.

The factor that helps keep the compensation down is his contract expires after this season. The risk in that is we would have to get him signed to a new contract. How do you value that with little video to watch?

I was speaking to the fact that certain posters are saying you should never make a deal w/Belichick.

Simple. No new contract YET.

Play the year THEN we determine if he's worth 15-20M a year. Tag him if need be.

We have the picks just for this.

To me it's Garoppolo or Trubisky or NOTHING at QB this year.

Just say NO to Watson's innacurate ass.

You create more drama on this board than a gaggle of eighth grade cheerleaders on a field trip.

You make an excellent point on the likelihood of an incentive-laden contract for Pryor...I really hadn't thought about that but it's spot on.

If Pryor were in the upcoming draft class, where would he be slotted and what kind of contract goes at that spot? Could be another way to look at it.