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I wonder how their scoring works. Is there a max score? It doesn't seem like the more players you draft will increase your score.

I don't know if he is good or not, but Trubisky definitely looks like an NFL QB.

Whoever was talking about Solomon Thomas in one of these threads is on point. That guy has really stood out this game.

If We take Garrett #1, I would love to grab Thomas with the Philly pick. After today, I'm not so sure he makes it there.

I don't want anything to do with Fournette or the kid from Stanford. I can kind of understand why they are not playing but still feel they are ME guys.

Whoever was talking about Solomon Thomas in one of these threads is on point. That guy has really stood out this game.

For what it's worth, Walter Football has Solomon Thomas going #42 overall in his latest draft and Dane Brugler has him going 24th.

Barnett just broke the GOAT Reggie Whites college sack record at Tennessee.

Talked to my brother in law (BOI) who's a NFC scout about an hour ago for a little bit. I asked him about some of the questions you all posted. Two people wanted to know about the running backs and what his opinion is regarding what the Browns should do about the QB decision given our potential two top 10 picks. He was actually at the UNC vs Stanford game (not for trubisky b/c his team doesn't need a qb), but for Solomon Thomas and some UNC defensive and offensive skill players.

Scouting is a brutal business. These guys never sleep. Never eat that well and always face job uncertainty unless your team has a franchise QB that keeps the W up and the L's low. The most healthy guys spend non-hotel room time at the hotel gym and become nutrition addicts to maintain health. He told me a lot of guys are former players that battle depression and loneliness on the road. Interestingly enough, a lot of scouts partake in the drink and the DEA no-no green plant. There's a nerdy scientist looking scout guy that is known to always be carrying the DEA no no plant, and a lot of the scouts give him crap in the business lol.

We started off the convo with him saying "I told you before; he is what he is-- just a solid 2nd or 3rd round nice tools QB prospect with upside" regarding Mitch Trub. He is not high on him as discussed in my first post he believes "frail back leg and false production simple cue throw offense" will likely lead to Trub's skills not effectively translating to the pros. I told him what the mock draft community/boards are saying about Trub and he laughed pretty hard and told me to remind people to stop projecting on to the kid elite traits.

An Interesting Nugget was that "THERE's zero percent chance that cleveland takes Trubisky with either pick and only a small chance they take kizer" because "Cleveland has scouts that actually carefully watch the tape on QB mechanics and pocket presence full field reading." However, over dinner supposedly there are rumblings that Chicago has two scouts that have higher grades on him because they're predominantly "trait" heavy scouts. Also, Trub will not interview well as a leader of men and Cleveland pro personnel department is supposedly obsessed with leadership characteristics as over 6 people (scouts and personnel staff) have actually played QB. Reiterated that Hue Jackson's going to love Kizer, but the "Harvard" guys and Hue are said to be in complete and total alignment with hue and al saunders serving as the football knowledge experts,

The Key to my BOI is if the Browns take a QB, then it's likely Haslam pushed the decision and you could expect much dissent. If the browns take value on the defensive side of the ball, then all browns fans should rest easy in the plan. Also said people don't seem to understand that the Browns are a "well oiled collaborative judgment and decision making machine" not just stats guys as evidenced by the scouts mirroring exactly what Sashi and Depodesta said about "not conjuring up an elite prospect/QB." The browns are supposedly obsessed with false positive scouting and are really relying on traditional scouting traits analysis. This made me feel better about things.

The value in the top-10 according to my BOI is in "defensive savages." Specifically, Foster, Adams, Hooker, Thomas, Allen, Barnett, Charlton, Smoot, Garrett, and Walker. Emphasized: "All the browns have to do is sit back and take two of those players and they've won the draft compared to their previous drafts." Said if he was the browns he'd take an elite field range defensive playmaker a la Reuben foster, jamal adams, or hooker after trading down a few spots and getting more value, followed by the 34olb sack master a la demarcus walker, dewuane smoot, or thomas. "There's going to be another 34olb at the top of round 2 due to 34scheme specificity." So, we should in essence come back at the top of round 2 with another sack master after taking a field range playmaker and a sack master. I have to admit I want Kizer after watching some film and hearing what my BOI had to say about him; however, after talking to him he has me convinced that defensive value might be the winning move.

Started off the the game thinking "there's no way Thomas falls to us"(his team) because he and one of his colleagues have a top 10 pro bowler grade on him, thinks that it's almost certain he won't fall beyond top 20 now. I asked him if Thomas could play 3-4OLB and he said "yes" but he's tight hipped like bosa but uses his hips fluidly to explode from a three point stance. Said he's a bonafide 4-3 DE.

About the running backs, my BOI has not been through much rb tape but 2 lesser known prospects stand out: 1. Tarik Cohen 5'6" 180 NCA&T ---the next sprolesy guy. Strong runner. Will be the Daniel braverman (scout favorite last year) this year. 2. Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida "probably will go 6th round but his stiff arm is lovely." BOI loves Alvin Kamara and calls him the running back version of curtis samuel. Says teams that love Kamara will be on the look to draft curtis samuel if they miss out on the tennesse rb.

Other random stuff from our convo:
1. Again, there is a massive industry of spycraft in the scouting community. Says scouts nowadays in the AFC are wary of mobile sensing hacking. That is, there cell phones being hacked to listen to scouting conversations. "If fans actually knew how ridiculous this stuff is, they'd be worried about their own privacy. Billionaires with insane budgets in competition with other billionaires leads to some weird spycraft stories that top personnel execs all have a story about."

2. There is so much work to do on getting to know a player; however, around this time research staff are talking to the ppl around a players' frequent hang outs especially if their a top 10 player.

3. There's an interesting amount of bipolar disagreement between scouts on certain players especially those with some traits and tools that need major projection to nfl skill. Scouts have heated discussions and fans don't understand that coaches and personnel staff included have serious shouting matches about players. Says fans think it's all professionalism like environments but the only rule is don't have shouting matches in range of the owner or an owner snitch.

There's more we talked about regarding scouting and how scouts build profiles on players but I'll post that stuff after we talk for new years.

peen...and if the kid from Stanford declares for the draft..DE. Soloman Thomas, then what?

I'm not drafting o-line unless it's someone to replace Joe. If we want pure RTs and Cs sign them in free agency. We'd be better off with guys with experience.

wow you have been so used to crap you're just swimming in it. Good 0-linemen DON'T get released unless you're the BROWNS who like to see their QBs in the hospital.

You MUST draft centers and guards late in the first or most likely in the second round. You get good players that way. Waiting till the third or 4th doesn't normally work with o-line the good teams are constantly hitting those picks hard in the second round.