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We are blaming Sashi Brown for horrible drafts by Heckert, Lombardi/Banner, and Farmer?

Not surprised.

Some never gave this thing a chance to begin with.

Absolutely! Adding an "old school" (non-analytic) guy would be counter-productive to the current direction and could prove very disruptive. Just don't see how this could possibly work...

NRTU.

This is the crux for me. The Browns as an organisation felt this was the correct approach some 12 months ago. You now reflect and look at what happened. If, despite the outcome, the results on the field, we feel we are moving forward, we continue. Personally I would give it 3 years just so i can be sure, especially if I was onboard with the original decision.

How well did the last "football" guys do? Not defending this regime whatsoever but we've tried lots of roads. We should have won today. I just hate doing the same things (rebooting) and thinking it'll be better.

That's cool. I have no problem with that. I think the FO needs to push for a coach who isn't a dumb ass.


1st and goal on the 2 and we call a bunch of lambrain passes.


Hue Jackson isn't a head coach. He needs a head coach telling him to run the ball 3 times.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did we not add 13 rookies to the roster from the 2016 draft? How many contributed significantly other than Ogbah? Who said anything about past regimes?

He freaks out and gets dumber in the red zone. He should think hard about this lateral passing game. Usually a wasted down. He needs an OC calling plays. Just seems to fold up in the clutch. Part of that is RG3 IMO.

I was trying to point that out to him..

Why are you blaming those guys for Sashi's 14 picks ?

If he's no head coach and no OC, what is he?

Is anybody else wondering what happened to Nassib?

He started off hot this season, and then just disappeared after the hand injury.

I don't know what it is. Week after week I heard him talking about needing to run the ball more, then Crow keeps getting 12 carries a game.

The guy is a pass happy fool who's ego gets him in to trouble. It seems to me he wants to show the world how great a play caller he is over making sound football decisions. First and goal on the two, win in grasp, and the idiot doesn't try to run? That is the kind of stuff that get's a coach fired.

I am not calling for it, but seriously, Hue needs to examine himself and check his ego at the door.

Someone that came from the divisional rival Bengals to help them stay in 3rd place of the NFCN... lol

Well, there's another side to that - Crow's fumble.

And yet you are not calling for any changes to the FO.... correct?

No way. Crows fumble plays nothing in to those desisions on the goal.


Unless he is saying I don't trust you and I don't trust our O line to gain 2 yards in 3 plays. If I was one of those guys, I'd be ticked.

Ok.

Dismiss if you wish. You know I am right.


It was a stupid sequence of plays that could have won the game.

Well, there were two opportunities to win that game that had nothing to do with Hue.

Calhoun fumbling the ball for a touchback.

Crow fumbling. Those two things don't happen and we win the game.

Hell, just ONE of those things don't happen, and we win. At the end of the day, crow's job is to hold on to the football, and he didn't do it.

Protecting the football is #1 above all else.

Anyway, I'm cool with the coaching staff for next year. Hopefully they take a long hard look at their mistakes and get ready to work on them once OTA's start.

And for the thread, hopefully this FO actually puts some talent on the field for our coaching staff to work with.

Not arguing with you.

The Browns had many chances to win today.

Look at Oakland, with Reggie McKenzie. He was a guy with tons of player experience in a great organization.

He started out with a couple of so-so drafts, before striking gold in his 3rd season with Mack, Carr, and Jackson. He then grabbed Amari Cooper in his 4th year.

Give our guys time to do their jobs. Man, I am sick of changing every stinking year. We aren't going to get a top personnel guy in here without total power .....especially with Haslam's track record. Give these guys at least another couple of years.

i could have sworn that we missed a FG that could have given us a W.

You wouldn't even have to have sworn that - we did.

What if he is?

You got guys calling out Hue and you don't say a freaking word even though he is doing a tremendous job w/the worst roster in the NFL.

Let's blame Hue and give the FO a pass. You guys are freaking clueless.

No doubt.

Jimmy Haslam Takes Responsibility For Browns Failure, Won’t Make Major Changes

PITTSBURGH (92.3 The Fan) – As Jimmy Haslam walked out of the Browns locker room at Heinz Field Sunday to speak with reporters, he had no one to blame but himself.

After the Browns completed the worst year in the 67-season history of the franchise by finishing 1-15 following a 27-24 overtime loss to the Steelers, Haslam took responsibility for the many failures that have followed since he and his wife Dee purchased the team for nearly $1 billion.


“Clearly not an acceptable year,” Haslam said. “Really since we bought the team, just totally unacceptable performance, which as ownership we’ll take the entire blame for. Very disappointing all around. This year’s been disappointing but so are the other years.”

Since the Haslams assumed control of the franchise on Oct. 25, 2012 the Browns have gone 19-54 but to be fair to the Haslams, who fired the Mike Holmgren, Tom Heckert and Pat Shurmur less than 10 weeks after taking over and replaced them with Joe Banner, Michael Lombardi and Rob Chudzinski in 2013, the franchise is 15-49.

Even though they finished 1-15, there will be no pink slips handed out this January.

“I think we’ve learned from our previous mistakes and I think it is important to have continuity but I think until you get the right people in place, you’ve got to keep making moves,” Haslam said. “Like I said before, I think we have the right people in place. [We’re] excited about working with that group going forward and like I said at the outset: more determined to turn this around.”

The Haslams are on their fourth group in 5 years with Paul DePodesta, Sashi Brown and Hue Jackson and they believe they finally have gotten it right.

“I think we have the right people in place,” Haslam said. “It took us a while to get there and I’ll take all the responsibility there as I’ve said in the past. I think this time last year we said this was going to be multi-year rebuilding. It is. Has this year been harder than we thought it would be? Yes, but I promise you this, we will work hard.

“I think we’ve got the right people in place and there’s really three keys going forward. It’s not that complicated. We gotta execute and the three things we have to execute are this: No. 1 we gotta resign our key players, No. 2 we’ve got to be appropriately aggressive in free agency and No. 3 we’ve gotta have a great draft.”

Therin lies the Browns’ problem.

They don’t draft well and Haslam knows it.

“The reason we’re 1-15 or 3-13, whatever we’ve been the last couple of years is because the Cleveland Browns, including on our watch, have not made good decisions in the draft,” Haslam said. “It’s real simple. It’s not complicated. We’ve not made good decisions and we need to reverse that and reverse that this year and we’ve got a great opportunity.”

On Sunday the Browns secured the No. 1 overall pick for the third time since the team returned in 1999 and it is the fourth top-10 pick in 5 years under their watch.

“It’s a privilege to own an NFL team and I think Dee puts it really well: we really view ourselves as stewards for our great fans and we need to be a heck of a lot better stewards than we have been,” Haslam said. “Has it been harder than we thought? Absolutely. But we’re going to do this, and our fans, I don’t know how many people we had last week, what 30,000 but the enthusiasm and the loyalty and support of our fans is tremendous and they deserve better than what we’ve given them and we’re going to get it right.”
Daryl Ruiter | 92.3 The Fan

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Blow up? How bout fine tune it!

Do you think this means they won't be adding anyone? Or, does it just mean they won't be firing anyone?

Cleveland Browns lose to Pittsburgh Steelers, make right call with front office: Terry Pluto


By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
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on January 01, 2017 at 6:30 PM
PITTSBURGH, Pa. -- I'm glad he said that.

That's what I kept thinking when Jimmy Haslam gave a quick state of the Cleveland Browns. The owner said he planned no changes in his management team.

Haslam had to say that. The last thing the organization needs is another nuclear option from ownership followed by a scramble to hire a general manager and/or coach.

The Browns finished the season at 1-15 after Sunday's 27-24 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. As coach Hue Jackson said, they "earned" what is the worst record in franchise history.

It was after last season's final game that Haslam announced the firing of general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine.

That move was needed. Pettine and Farmer were the product of Haslam's shotgun football marriage. Farmer had nothing to do with the decision to hire Pettine, and the two men who barely knew each other were thrown together.

But this time, it's different.

"We feel we have the right people in place," Haslam said.

He meant vice president Sashi Brown, player personnel director Andrew Berry, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta and Jackson.

WHY STAY THE SAME?

Are they the right people?

It's too soon to know, although their first draft, followed by the 1-15 season leaves a lot of questions.

But firing them and bringing in a new front office would be the absolute wrong thing to do.

Just like adding an experienced football man who would be in charge of the draft would also create problems. That basically would make him a general manager, and most general managers want to hire their own coach.

Adding that type of senior football man also would make the coaches insecure. They'd assume the new guy was just waiting for a chance to bring in his own coach.

And that would lead to business (and turmoil) as usual with the Browns.

Jackson was smart to say he is in "lock step" with Sashi Brown.

"We're together," Jackson added. "There is no divide here. We all just need to get better."

It was Brown and Haslam who recruited and hired Jackson to coach the Browns. Haslam wanted to create a front office and head coach that came in together and must work together.

If the Browns are ever to dig out of this mess, they need to give this group time.

Haslam admitted "ownership has to take the blame" for many of the Browns problems. Haslam knows he can't make huge changes again.

He fired the front office/coaching staff he inherited in 2012.

He fired the new front office/coaching staff he hired in 2013.

He fired another front office/coaching staff after the 2015 season.

Brown, DePodesta and Berry are all finishing their rookie years in their current jobs. Jackson had been a head coach only one year before this.

They faced a steep learning curve, and some wrong turns along the road this year were inevitable.

THE BIG TEST

Haslam outlined three things the Browns now must do:

Keep their own players rather than lose key ones to free agency.
Be smart about signing the right free agents from other teams.
Draft well.
"We have the No. 1 pick and we have to use it wisely," said Haslam.

It appears the Browns will have four picks in the top 51.

The Browns are using analytics. I've heard many in the media and fans say it's a bad idea.

Well, the $100,000 analytics study the Browns did on the 2014 quarterback class basically red-flagged Johnny Manziel. Analytics is useful as part of an overall approach. It can help a team avoid disasters.

That's why I like analytics. I want it on the bus and seated near the front -- but not behind the wheel, making every decision.

A challenge for Brown/Jackson will be to determine how analytics fits into standard football evaluation, which is headed by Berry and his scouts.

The upcoming draft is tough.

The top two quarterbacks are supposed to be Clemson's Deshaun Watson and North Carolina's Mitch Trubisky, who is from Mentor, Ohio.

Are they really worthy of the No. 1 pick?

I have major doubts about that, and that's the first question facing the Browns.

The Browns, and the new front office, are on the draft clock. But patience is the only approach that makes any sense right now.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/01/cleveland_browns_lose_to_pitts.html

I think it means there will be no major changes. If they add someone it won't be in the role of GM. I think he is going to stick with the plan.

Nice read from Pluto ... I agree with the sentiments.

Maybe some of both.

jimmy is right. the drafts have suck. its the main reason for losing. I hope he likes his next draft...

Oh well. I had hope there for a minute.

I still don't get what Sashi Brown's qualifications are to have the title of heading an NFL franchise. I completely disagree w/the notion that he doesn't need more help.

Not sure why I put myself through one bad decision after another.

i don't think they have to change the office personel at all. just shuffle some responsibilities around and adjust the determining factors in the decision making.
this is not baseball. although analytics have been used for a while in the nfl, it has it's place but not the ultimate determining factor.

Wasn't there a gigantic problem last year when hiring from other teams? Something about it being a lateral move?

Because I have realistic expectations for rookies.