DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Terrelle Pryor's extension unlikely to come by season's end, Isaiah Crowell still aiming for 1,000 and more

Pryor was more interested in no being hurt today. He cruised most of the day.

You are right - but having said that, the guy has 1000 yards on a terrible team.

If Pryor thinks the team is going to improve - he's got as much chance or better to have a good year here. He's unlikely to see another 6 QB's (I guess 5 - he's one of the six) throwing the rock. . . . Injuries happen but 2 starting guards and your center? Unlikely.

I think rather than say the contract has to be incentive laden - I think it would be fair to say give him a very, very good base - but with the opportunity to earn top 10 WR money based on hitting similar numbers to this year. . . . . Looking at that list of WR's - there are at least 12 other WR's I would take ahead of Pryor, no brainer picks .... But you are right, it can't simply be performance based. Dude has earned the opportunity to get paid like a legit WR.

What?

He played very well. The guy has been playing w/an injury. He made a bunch of plays in a meaningless game.

Your take was completely unfair.

I didn't see it as a meaningless game. It was against the Steelers.

He played well. Period.

He also has a hand injury .... not that that matters to a WR.

Either way, I hope he signs with us. Don't misunderstand.

I hope he signs with us as well.

If we are the team who is going to reach on Watson in the draft, then retaining Pryor has to be a priority. And finding some other big WRs as well.

It seems to me that McPick's game plan is to throw it up for grabs. When you are in college and throwing it to NFL-caliber players, that can work to a degree. Granted, he is flirting with a 2-1 TD to INT ratio which is not very promising in college, especially when he is on a team that is more talented than just about everyone he faces. But if that is how he rolls, then his next team better have the WRs built for that. Because in the NFL, there is nothing but NFL-caliber defenses.

I would make Pryor priority NUMBER ONE now. We really need to resign him, pay him what he's worth and move on.

And this is the entire discussion about Pryor. Not that people don't want him, just finding his worth in terms of a contract.

What's so hard? He is going to test the FA market. See what he is offered and offer a bit more.

I prefer we sign him before then. The "start" of FA in March is a lie. All teams are talking with agents right now about players they're not supposed to be talking to.

Plus if Pryor gets big time #1 WR money by the time FA starts, I personally don't offer him 'a bit more". That's where the discussion of posters' perceived value comes into play.

I get that Pryor likes Hue, but why would any player really want to play in Cleveland when the team stinks, is unstable, and has a poor reputation of how they treat their players?

The Browns are in a position where they have to pay more.

I don't understand how you can say this yet blame this FO for not being able to keep last year's free agents. Like last year was the first time any of those guys played on a bad Cleveland Browns team or weren't aware of the years of crap football.



Disagree. In FA, every team is in a position where they have to pay more. Some teams just choose not to go on crazy spending sprees.

And some teams are cheap.

OK, I agree with the first part of this first paragraph, but the last sentence simply isn't true. This franchise, since Haslem has taken over, has taken very good care of the players ON THE ROSTER. Now, you can throw in the handling of free agency with Mack and Schwartz, but I blame that on inexperience. I expect this off season to go a little better. I don't think they will let a situation like they had with Schwartz happen ever again.

As for how the players on the roster are treated though, it is said by every player that is asked, the Browns have one of the best facilities in the NFL, along with amenities like, on staff chef and entertainment in the building. These seem like little things, but when you come from teams that don't have it, it sheds a brighter light on the Browns.

Once players get to Cleveland, they realize very fast everything the city has to offer. Cleveland, the city, has some of the finest dining options in the country, as well as nightlife venues, like the casino and other top notch sports teams.

I don't think it would be nearly as hard as you all think to "lure" a free agent here. All they would need is Hue and Joe Thomas in a room for about 2 hours, then shower them with the Cleveland scene.

This team is determined to move forward, who ever is a part of the success will go down as legends in this city...that isn't lost on guys like Joe Thomas and he can impress that on players they are courting.

The Browns HAVE to keep him. Their need for playmakers combined with the fact of Pryor's astounding performance considering how raw he is so soon after changing positions makes him a definite priority to retain. He looks to be a budding star and they cannot afford to let guys like that walk when they have the chance to keep them.

Ask D. Bryant, K. Williams, D. Whitmore, K. Dansby, D. Bess, M. Schwartz, , etc how well they treat their players.

I don't think we've been one of them.....how about all those guaranteed deals to Dansby, Whitner, Bryant, Kruger, Bowe, T. Williams, an extension for Haden, Taylor's extension this year...Is that cheap?

How can you even argue that when it is a fact that the Browns always have the most--or among the most---room left on the cap?

Look, I really don't want to argue this w/you. You aren't objective. It's the same old spin every time w/you.

Did you not see the players I referenced that they signed in FA in guaranteed money and contract extensions? I'm happy to add them up for a total figure. It's not cheap. The better argument is the poor decision making FOs have made when its come to spending....particularly in FA.

And this year, and you know this, we have so much cap space because we started a complete rebuild and cut some of those FA signings that didn't pay off.

Oh, and we don't have a franchise QB, where most of team's cap money is going towards if they have one....We don't.

I agree, the loss of veteran leadership was more than just disappointing, but on that list, which guy other than Schwartz isn't past their prime and was ready to make this team a future contender?

Honestly, no one knows what happened with K'Waun Williams...He decided not to play, or even show up for practice, after the doctors passed him on his ankle injury. suspicious to say the least.

Bryant AGREED to reduce his salary this year, that tells me one thing..the Browns converted that money to a signing bonus. He didn't lose out on anything, imho, otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to it.

Bess??Really, the criminal Devone Bess? That is who you want to list as a viable reason for player mistreatment?

As for Dansby (and I am assuming you meant) Whitner, they were over paid veterans to give the roster credibility, nothing more.

Do you honestly believe that this group of young guys would have benefited more by sitting on the bench because these two were still on the roster? Whitner was ridiculed on these very boards for his poor play in 2015...

Whitner gave way to Christian Kirksey to see the field more and he was one of the lone bright spots on defense in 2016...Where would he be if Dansby had been retained for another year?



I don't think ANY of these players were treated badly, with the exception of Schwartz. He had an offer that he simply wanted to validate and they pulled it out from under him when he came back to the table... I understand why they did it, but it cost this team dearly and now they have to use it as a learning lesson...there isn't any going back.

It's pretty simple, the teams that are always near the top in cap spending have a QB on the roster taking 12-15% of the total salary cap. Some teams have backups making more than our starters...to be honest though, our starters are backups...so, it makes sense.

I know they have been frugal, and I fully expect that to change with Terrell Pryor being their first spending on in house free agents to be. I also expect them to tag Collins...if those two things happen, would you be happier with their spending habits?

And they didn't mind taking all the money at the time. I think we treat our Players more than fair. It is a business after all and our club is really not much different than any other in that respect.

I just heard reported that Pryor has cleaned out his locker and split.

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/815957213940477955

Tulsa, it's the day after the season is over...everyone is cleaning their lockers out and splitting...

He is getting surgery on Wednesday, so he doesn't have time to wait around.

Hue should run a full slate of practice this week, just for the hell of it.

I love how you guys act like I am the one talking out of my butt. I just bet the word around the league is that Cleveland is the place to go to be treated right. LMAO........y'all kill me.

Not interested in arguing w/guys who are so biased. All I know is that the Browns are going to have to overpay to keep free agents or attract free agents.

Then again, at this point in time..........ownership and the new FO hasn't given any evidence of wanting either.

When Pryor caught the pass that put him over 1,000 yards he pointed at Hue. You could tell he was excited and he was gesturing Thank you to his coach. It was nice to see.

Why, or how, did he even know he was over 1000 yards?

It was the first play from scrimmage in the overtime. He was 3 yards shy at the end of regulation. Someone must have told him. He was emotionally excited when he caught that 8 yard gain to start the OT.

It was obvious he was thanking Hue.

That play was run for one reason only.

To get Pryor his 1,000.

Bet he was told if he didn't already know, I'd bet that stuff like that is talked about on the sideline in a nothing week 17 game.
If I were a baseball player I'd know my numbers. Doesn't mean it's selfish, or that a player should let it affect him when playing.

Browns notebook: Terrelle Pryor says he’s told agents he wants to stay in Cleveland: ‘I love this place’



By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writer
January 2, 2017 - 01:23 PM
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BEREA: Impending free-agent Terrelle Pryor struggles to harness his competitive fire at times, so finishing the 2016 season with a record of 1-15 can’t be easy for him to swallow.

Yet Pryor believes the Browns can reverse their fortunes under coach Hue Jackson, so he has told agents Drew and Jason Rosenhaus he would like to stay in Cleveland.
“Absolutely. I told them, and we’ve had a lot of conversations,” Pryor said Monday as players cleaned out their lockers and headed into their offseason breaks. “At the end of the day, as you guys know, football is a business, and [a new contract has] got to make sense for myself.

“I’d love to play for Coach Hue. I loved playing with him this year, no matter what. Despite the 1-15 record, I’m not worried about that. ... I love this place. I love Cleveland. I love the fans here. It’s amazing.”

Pryor’s faith in Jackson stems from their close relationship and his ability to motivate the players to continue to fight after they lost the first 14 games of the season.

“[Owner] Jimmy [Haslam] said, ‘We have the right guys in place in terms of coaches,’” said Pryor, who’s scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent on March 9. “That’s definitely the truth. Obviously, we need more players. I think we’re not far.”

But the Browns used six quarterbacks in 2016 and still haven’t solved the position.

“It’s something that I think my agents have to converse about with the team,” Pryor said. “But coming back here, I know Hue would have that situation handled, all the situations. Whatever holes that he thinks we have, I’m sure they’ll handle it, him and [head of football operations] Sashi [Brown].”

Pryor’s agents had preliminary contract extension talks with the Browns in the fall but shelved negotiations until after the season. Pryor said he expects the discussions to resume soon. The Browns could keep him without a long-term deal by placing their franchise tag on him.

No matter what happens with his contract situation, he’s on verge of receiving a huge payday.

In his first full season as a receiver, the former quarterback led the Browns with 77 catches for 1,007 yards and four touchdowns.

“Hopefully he’s back,” quarterback Robert Griffin III said. “We want him back.”

Some of Pryor’s critics doubted his transition would be a success.

“I can’t really worry about the naysayers or stuff like that,” he said. “So I think with that clear mind and that tunnel vision, that focus that you have to have, I think you can do anything if you’re focused and you’re together with your teammates and your teammates got your back and I’ve got their back. I think that’s special.”

Left tackle Joe Thomas lamented the Browns allowing key players to leave as free agents in the past and doesn’t want to see the same happen with Pryor.

“You sometimes hear fans say, ‘Well we were 1-15 with them, we can be 1-15 without them,’” Thomas said. “But if you want to be better than 1-15, you have to keep your good players. That’s just the way it goes. You can’t keep getting rid of good players and think you’re going to get better. Anybody with a brain can figure that out.”

Pryor, 27, will remain with the Browns for at least the next three to four weeks because he’ll undergo surgery on the torn ligament in his right middle finger Wednesday in Cleveland and wants to rehabilitate with guidance of the team’s medical staff. Pryor played with the injury for the final three games.

“I always point at Joe [Thomas] because I think he’s the ultimate teammate and the ultimate professional,” Pryor said. “The pain and stuff that he plays with and the injuries he plays with and he still continues to give his best foot forward and all the effort to be the best teammate he can be, I can go out there with some torn ligaments in my hand and try to tough it out. It’s special, and the type of guys we have in here, that’s the reason I wanted to finish strong with them.”

Nate Ulrich can be reached at nulrich@thebeaconjournal.com. Read the Browns blog at www.ohio.com/browns. Follow him on Twitter at www.twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ and on Facebook www.facebook.com/abj.sports.

Preach it, brother Joe!!!

But ... but ... that's not what I read on here, when it was good riddance to Mack and Schwartz. Joe T must be clueless.

JC

On the Browns letting go of young talented players to free agency who have succeeded elsewhere and that not being beneficial:

Brown: “Yeah, to the end that you develop players that go on and are successful elsewhere, you never love that. We have had players who have gone on to have success and some that haven’t. What we have to do is build a culture where guys want to stay here. That is the most important thing. I think we have done that this year, and we are tasked now with going out and making sure that we can sign some of our guys that are key for our future. We do have a number of young guys who will help us win games here so Hue does not have to go swim in that lake (laughter).”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...a2-fb6acf90e8a9

Fair enough Pastor, but I was not commenting on our chances of bringing back Mack. I was commenting on the posters who said losing Mack and Schwartz was no big deal because we only won 3 games with them. That is completely different.

Losing Schwartz was stupid. Players and agents testing the market is part of the NFL. We pulled the offer to prove a point, and ended up with Cam at RT in this last game.