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If he does well enough to beat out Frye and Anderson and whatever else we trot out... how is it bad that he gets the playing time that he's earned??
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Tim Couch was good enough to beat out everyone we had in 1999. Couch was the # 1 pick of the draft, as well as one of the top passers in NCAA History. Tim is now out of football and has been for several years.... Need I say more... OK... How about, those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.... 
Tim Couch didnt have Kellen Winslow Braylon Edwards Joe Jurevicius Jamal Lewis Joe Thomas Eric Steinbach and my boy Lawerence Vickers.
Also, Tim Couch didn't have the defense we have, they are 2 completely different teams.
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If he does well enough to beat out Frye and Anderson and whatever else we trot out... how is it bad that he gets the playing time that he's earned??
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Tim Couch was good enough to beat out everyone we had in 1999. Couch was the # 1 pick of the draft, as well as one of the top passers in NCAA History. Tim is now out of football and has been for several years.... Need I say more... OK... How about, those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it....
Couch was the #1 pick in the draft only because we picked him there. He had NO BUSINESS going #1 overall.
His NCAA passing records? Gimmick offense at Kentucky which masked his deep ball deficiencies and inability to read a defense.
AND he didn't have guys like Thomas, Steinbach, Tucker, Fraley and McKinney to protect him, nor a guy like Jamal Lewis to run the ball, Braylon to stretch the field, JJ as a 3rd down option and Winslow as a safety valve.
He had Kevin freaking Johnson, he's out of the league now.
Quinn is in a position to succeed more than any other QB we've had.
There is no set formula for building a QB other than giving him parts and pieces to succeed with...not sitting him for a year, not starting him day one either.
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You're right...He won't be magically ruined...The guys that get ruined are the guys that get thrown out there with no investment in any protection for em'... We've invested...And invested well...3 yrs from now David Carr is gonna be looking at Cleveland saying to himself WHY couldn't Houston have done that for ME? Don't be surprised folks if Quinn IS the opening day starter...He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and won't let the pressure get to him...He's gotta understand he will have good and bad...It's the early nature of the beast in adjusting to the speed of the game... He really doesn't have much to beat out...He's far and away more talented than Anderson and Frye combined...It's only a matter of time...And if he's not the day one starter...He will be by the bye week or shortly thereafter...We didn't invest a 2008 1st rounder for a QB to sit the bench...He's the future and it just depends on when we decide the future is NOW...But I'd about GUARANTEE Quinn is in there before the end of the season... His relationship with Brady and Weiss will be huge for this kids mentals... Quote:
General reply: If he's made such big strides from OTAs to the end of minicamp, then who says that if he gets in on time (or even a few days late), he can't improve to the point that he passes the other QB's?
NFL Live today, both Schlereth and Jaws said the Browns should start Quinn from day one. Both mentioned we now have protection for him and he has the ability to do it.
So, if he proves himself, why not? He won't magically be ruined.
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Palmer sat and he turned out for them. Brady sat for over a year and turned out good
Both of those teams also had VASTLY superior QB's in Kitna and Bledsoe than what we have. If Quinn is better than Frye or Anderson he plays - heck even if he is equal to them we might as well get him in there. If not he sits and learns. Simple as that IMO. I want the best playes on the field PERIOD.
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3 yrs from now David Carr is gonna be looking at Cleveland saying to himself WHY couldn't Houston have done that for ME?
Well 3 years from now, won't Houston will have been in the league about the same time we have been now.?  Right on time I guess.
Personally, I'd rather Quinn not start day one, before anything, I want to see how improved our line is, give them like 5 or 6 games to show consistent improvement over previous years, then if they show they can protect a QB and produce running lanes, and he's ready, put him in. Unless the QB of the moment is winning us games then we ride it out.
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Don't be surprised folks if Quinn IS the opening day starter...He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and won't let the pressure get to him...He's gotta understand he will have good and bad...It's the early nature of the beast in adjusting to the speed of the game...
I understand that but I'd rather he not start this early.
He really doesn't have much to beat out..
Thats why I won't be shocked..I already came to that conclusion last season..
But it seems you have stated something I debated a lot of people about early ..
But I still feel Frye will be the starter..and Quinn will work his way in around mid season.
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DO YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE? How many freaking times are you going to keep saying the same things over and over and over? Jesus! Let's start a thread about the QBs hair styles. It will get a lot of action because it's about the QBs.  None of you guys are going to agree no matter how many times you say it. Those who love Frye want BQ to sit. Those who hate Frye want BQ to start. Those that want the best for the Browns want BQ to be eased into the situation. And PPE.........you said there hasn't been a valid reason as to why BQ shouldn't play. Well.........I think that the kid has some mechanical issues when he is exposed to pressure, both from the rush and the hype of big games [in the NFL they are all big], that lead to accuracy problems is a VALID point. You absolutely do NOT want this kid developing even more flaws in his mechanics. Poor mechanics are QB killers. Jesus, give the kid some time. It's not like we are going to win this year anyway.
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3 yrs from now David Carr is gonna be looking at Cleveland saying to himself WHY couldn't Houston have done that for ME?
Well 3 years from now, won't Houston will have been in the league about the same time we have been now.? Right on time I guess.
Personally, I'd rather Quinn not start day one, before anything, I want to see how improved our line is, give them like 5 or 6 games to show consistent improvement over previous years, then if they show they can protect a QB and produce running lanes, and he's ready, put him in. Unless the QB of the moment is winning us games then we ride it out.
Before everyone starts on how great our line is.....
Last year we thought we had made improvements. Bentley got injured, and has yet to play a down for Cleveland. Halloran got cold feet and retired. Tucker missed a lot of time due to mental problems. Our 36 million dollar man, Shaffer, did not perform as expected, and our guard play... our Super Bowl experienced Guard, Andruzzi, did not perform as expected...
This year we have a rookie penciled in at Left Tackle, with Shaffer still getting the reps in practice. We have a Free Agent Right Guard with untested fused vertebrae in his neck. Tucker is still our Right Tackle, hopefully no relaspe, and we have a former Bengal at Left Guard. We also have a totally new blocking scheme.
The Offensive Line may, repeat... may be improved, but after last year, I'm not counting on fused vertebrae, Tucker being back 100 percent, a rookie Left Tackle, and a former Bengal as being mana from Heaven....
Put down the orange colored glasses, and back away from the computer.... Let's wait and see how this thing plays out. If last year taught us anything, it should have taught us that Murphy's Law reigns supreme... 
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Don't be surprised folks if Quinn IS the opening day starter...
We all should be very surprised if Quinn is the opening day starter.
Brady Quinn has been the 3rd and sometimes 4th best QB during practices. Yes, even Dorsey has looked better than him at times. Quinn is not NFL ready and I doubt he's going to all of a sudden 'get it' before the season starts. It's a two man race for the starting job between Frye and Anderson.
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Put down the orange colored glasses, and back away from the computer....
I agree. People expecting anything better than 7-9 are being homers. This team looks like a 6-10 team to me.
LT - possibly a Rookie
LG - new to the team
RG - new to the team
RT - possibly new to the position
Winslow is coming off of another surgery. The offense is going to struggle in the early part of the year, especially the O-Line.
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How many freaking times are you going to keep saying the same things over and over and over? Jesus!
Let's start a thread about the QBs hair styles. It will get a lot of action because it's about the QBs.
None of you guys are going to agree no matter how many times you say it. Those who love Frye want BQ to sit. Those who hate Frye want BQ to start. Those that want the best for the Browns want BQ to be eased into the situation.
Last time I checked this WAS about Quinn...
Don't like it? DON'T READ IT... 
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Brady Quinn has been the 3rd and sometimes 4th best QB during practices. Yes, even Dorsey has looked better than him at times. Quinn is not NFL ready and I doubt he's going to all of a sudden 'get it' before the season starts. It's a two man race for the starting job between Frye and Anderson.
No Quinn has worked with the 2nd team and that doesnt mean that he has been the 3rd or 4th best qb in camp. The worst honor has gone to Frye from every single thing i have heard coming out of camp.
Quinn really picked it up the last couple of days in understanding the O and as far as mastery of the playbook he would be #2 behind Dorsey. As far as running the O he would be #2 behind Anderson.
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Brady Quinn has been the 3rd and sometimes 4th best QB during practices. Yes, even Dorsey has looked better than him at times. Quinn is not NFL ready and I doubt he's going to all of a sudden 'get it' before the season starts. It's a two man race for the starting job between Frye and Anderson.
No Quinn has worked with the 2nd team and that doesnt mean that he has been the 3rd or 4th best qb in camp. The worst honor has gone to Frye from every single thing i have heard coming out of camp.
Quinn really picked it up the last couple of days in understanding the O and as far as mastery of the playbook he would be #2 behind Dorsey. As far as running the O he would be #2 behind Anderson.
Sorry pal, but my source from inside the Browns Organization says that Quinn is the 3rd and on certain days the 4th best QB on the roster.
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How many times are you going to repeat that? That's all you talk about. Dude.........no one takes a person seriously if he is so one-dimensional. You may want to talk about other aspects of the team other than Charlie and BQ, just to get some credibility going. We all know you love Charlie and you will do anything to protect him. We got that. We really, really do.
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tennessee was only screwing around and screwing themselves by sitting vince young, he could have started from day one and should have...
You make some valid points, but I have to disagree with both of them.
1. Ben Roethlisburger is a lot different because he went into an IDEAL situation. He was drafted to a team with an outstanding defense, a great running game, and a very good offensive line. It's also a team that just used the passing game to keep the running game honest
2. Vince Young is a different style. He's the type of quarterback that peaks early because he's very physically gifted, but pretty dumb.
What Cincy did with Palmer I think would be most ideal for us. Like the 2003 Bengals, the Browns need to gel as a team before we install a young quarterback. The Bengals did this and let Kitna play for another year before they let Palmer start.
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I don't think Quinn will start day one simply because I don't believe he will be in camp on time. His funky situation during the draft will drag negatiation out a bit. Add to that the fact the Chud's offense is already taking brain crunching studying, I don't think a hold out will allow Quinn to start.
Another pure speculation is that if Romeo holds Quinn out most of the season to learn. and puts him in at the end, even with a poor record, it could be the saving grace for the coach, giving him the room for another year.
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I agree. On top of that the steelers also ran a very simplified passing attack. Which they could do because they had such a strong running game.
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Another pure speculation is that if Romeo holds Quinn out most of the season to learn. and puts him in at the end, even with a poor record, it could be the saving grace for the coach, giving him the room for another year.
Waiting to start BQ gives the organization a reset button for the season. Remember how tired and frustrated you were at the end of last season. Man, all that losing just wears you down. If we start Frye/Anderson and the season goes well great but if the season is going poorly we change to QB and all of a sudden there is renewed excitement about the team. I'm not sayng anyone with the team has even considered that but I have.
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We open with Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincy in 3 of our first 4 games.... What makes you think the season is going to start out great, no matter who the starting QB is...
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The one positive I can see from Quinn starting day one is that he would be the uncontested leader of the Offense. If Frye or Anderson start, you have to wonder if it is for good, or are they just a place holder. But I think for Quinn to start he would have to be head and shoulders above the others. It would have to be obvious that he holds the reins of this team. And if that is what the situation is...then he should start.
Frankly there is more bad that can happen than good throwing him out too early...so definitely only put him out there when he IS ready unless we have no other choice.
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Ben Roethlisberger
Year 1: 21.1 Pass Attempts per game
Year 2: 22.3 Pass Attempts per game
Year 3: 31.3 Pass Attempts per game
Big Ben was asked to do very little his first 2 years that's why he was successful. Last year he was asked to do a lot more and that's why he struggled.
In the 12 games where Frye played the entire game he threw the ball 31.6 times per game.
In the 3 games where Anderson played the entire game he threw the ball 32.0 times per game.
Anybody notice what helps young QB's succeed and what hurts them into struggling?
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lincoln Quinn gets past free fall in draftBut Browns rookie says he'll be disappointed if not in starting lineup By Andrew Abramson Cox News Service PALM BEACH GARDENS, FLA. - What could have been a dream scenario for Miami Dolphins fans became nothing more than a tease. Former Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, surrounded by South Florida media on Tuesday, talked about how he'd be disappointed if he couldn't crack the starting lineup as a rookie. But Quinn, in town for the NFL's rookie symposium at PGA National, wore a shirt for the Browns, not the Dolphins. He said he was stunned when Miami passed over him and instead drafted Ohio State receiver Ted Ginn Jr. with the ninth pick in the NFL Draft. ``At that point, we pretty much thought it was a done deal,'' Quinn said. Quinn said that Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis had talked with the Dolphins and was led to believe they would select Quinn if he was available. ``That was something said to (Weis by the Dolphins),'' Quinn said. Weis and Dolphins officials were unavailable for comment, but Quinn said he's come to terms with being drafted No. 22 overall -- far below his projected status. The Dolphins elected to go with Ginn, then drafted quarterback John Beck out of Brigham Young in the second round. ``A team's going to pick based on what they need,'' Quinn said. ``Maybe (drafting Ginn and Beck is) what they wanted all along, and they were trying to hide that.'' On Tuesday, all 255 rookies participated in a clinic with kids from the Palm Beach Gardens Pop Warner football team. Ginn and Beck were there, signing autographs and receiving their share of media interest. The spotlight, however, was on Quinn, the highest-profile rookie despite his draft free fall. Dolphins fans, hoping for a long-term solution at quarterback, wanted that spotlight to take place in Miami. ``When it got to the Dolphins' pick, I knew there'd be a lot of pressure (for the Dolphins to draft him) just because he was predicted to go so high,'' Beck said. ``I don't think anybody would have guessed him to fall (past the Dolphins).'' Quinn said that a week after the draft, his friends e-mailed him a video clip on YouTube of the Dolphins' draft party fiasco. Fans booed coach Cam Cameron and walked out of Dolphins headquarters after the team passed on Quinn. ``It feels good that a team's fans would feel that way about you,'' Quinn said. Contract negotiations Quinn spent hours waiting to be drafted while cameras chronicled his obvious frustration before he and his agent were led to a private room. The Browns eventually took him with the 22nd pick, though many anticipated they would draft him with the third overall pick. Instead, the Browns went with offensive tackle Joe Thomas at No. 3 and then traded up to select Quinn at No. 22. The difference will cost Quinn millions of dollars on his first contract, and his negotiations with the Browns are stalled. Browns coach Romeo Crennel said Quinn is in the running with Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson for the starting job. Quinn, however, might hold out while trying to land a contract for more money than is typical of a 22nd pick. ``I have complete faith in the Browns in getting this done,'' Quinn said. ``I'd think they'd want to get me signed if they want me to compete for the starting job.'' Quinn spoke with Beck this week, but Quinn sees the Dolphins' decision coming down to them wanting Ginn, and not necessarily Beck over him. ``There's so much emphasis put on where guys go in the draft,'' Quinn said. ``You never look back at Tom Brady and say, `Oh, he was a sixth-round pick; that's miraculous.' He was a great player all along. ``(Not drafting me) was something between (Dolphins General Manager) Randy Mueller and coach Cameron and I don't have any hard feelings toward them. That was their decision, and Ted Ginn's a great player. I'm sure they're going to be happy with him.''
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The more I read on Quinn, the more I think he is becoming a head case, all this attention is making him think he's everything.
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He has more faith than I do.
Charlie Frye held out 4 days in 2005
Braylon Edwards held out 18 days in 2005
Travis Wilson held out 3 days in 2006
With Quinn being selected #22 and probably wanting top 10 money, I see a 7-10 day holdout.
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Are you kidding me? He says all of the right things, I haven't seen him say anything wrong about the whole situation.
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Charlie Frye held out 4 days in 2005
Braylon Edwards held out 18 days in 2005
Travis Wilson held out 3 days in 2006
I remember Braylon holding out, but that was because of something the former President pulled at the last minute that caused a stir.. The deal was done and whatshisname put something in the contract about only doing commercials for products endorsed by the either the NFL or the Browns, don't remember which..
Never understood why Wilson held out and I didn't think Charlie held out at all.. Mensa, are you totally sure about that?
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Year 3: 31.3 Pass Attempts per game
Big Ben was asked to do very little his first 2 years that's why he was successful. Last year he was asked to do a lot more and that's why he struggled.
In the 12 games where Frye played the entire game he threw the ball 31.6 times per game.
In the 3 games where Anderson played the entire game he threw the ball 32.0 times per game.
Anybody notice what helps young QB's succeed and what hurts them into struggling?
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July 27, 2005
Escalating activity
Browns quarterback Charlie Frye ended a four-day holdout Wednesday night once the Browns kicked in significant escalators that would begin to take care of him in case he becomes the starting quarterback.
On the surface, the four-year, $2.185 million deal that included an $800,000 signing bonus seems simple. It wasn't. Frye has a chance to earn a $2.25 million escalator in the fourth year of the contract. With other incentives built into the pact, he could end up with a four-year, $5 million contract.
The holdout was more about the future than it was the present. Frye has confidence he can become the Browns' starting quarterback early in his career. What he feared is entering the fourth year of a contract with the possibility of making only $460,000 even if he started.
Talks stalled for a couple of days because the Browns felt strong about their position.
A more chartable mood developed in the final hours. Frye felt so good about the deal that he and his agent, Eric Metz, brought pizza to the front office.
"It was tough sitting out," Frye said. "But I love this game. Now, I'm glad I have a deal so I can get ready for practice Friday morning."
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Halfback - I don't know how we are going to start out. In my post I didn't say we would do well, just that it was a possibility. But since you asked...
I would consider the 1st 8 games as the start of the season
Game 1 - Pittsburgh - Well new coaching staff, new system on O, the o-line is weaker, Fanaca is disgruntled, the D is a year older, their coners still stink, Rothlisberger wants more responsibility on offense - beware what you ask for you might get it - is he smart/savvy enough to make the jump from a "dumded down offense to audibling, running the no huddle and calling plays at the line all the while learning a new offense and be ready by game 1?
Game 2 - Cincy - Great offense but this early in the season will they be in sync. How much will losing Steinbach affect the play of theie o-line. Their D still stinks.
Game 3 - Oak - Will the defense be as good as last year? Were they that good? They gave up 21 or more points in 8 games last year including 24 to us in week 4. Their D also started slowly last year giving up 27 to SD week 1, 28 to Balt week 2, bye week 3, 24 to cleveland week 4 and 34 to SF week 5 for an average of 28 points per game through week 5. Their offense will not put up 28 points per game and like Josh McCown as a Qb better than most. Will they be any better with JaMarcus starting as a rookie - not by week 3.
Week 4 - Balt - Good D but another year older. Is this the year they slow down. The offense was average at best last year. The o-line is weaker - lost Mutillo and even though Ogden is coming back he isn't the player he used to be. McNair is way past his prime (though still has the intangibles and the leadership). Their Wr's are who?
Week 5 - NE - Tough one. Anything can happen on anygiven week.
Week 6 - Miami - New coach, new system. The o-line is pretty bad. The D is getting older and slower.
Week 7 - BYE - No way we can screw this up. Although we found a way last season by not firing MO until after the next game so I guess anything is possible.
Week 8 - StL - Potentially explosive offense but have a tendency to mix in their share of klunkers. Defense is nothing to write home about.
Week 9 - Seattle - Very good offense. D is erratic some good games some bad games. Very tough to win in Seattle - good thing the game is in Cleveland. Seattle just doesn't seem to be the same team on the road that they are at home.
End of 1st half of the season.
Remember these are not predictions just a response to how/why we could have a good start of the season.
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wow, I didn't remember that,,, Thanks for the info Mensa
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 Why does everyone want to compare Quinn to Tim Couch and the 2007 Browns to the 1999 Browns? The team of 2007 doesn't resemble the 1999 team in any way at all, thank God! If Brady Quinn is signed and in camp on time and picks up Chud's offense and ouyplays the other two QB's he should play. Our offense under Frye or Anderson didn't exactly remind us of the 1986-87 Kosar led Browns you know. Our offensive line is much improved and Lewis is an upgrade over Droughns and our receivers are fairly decent so all of the QB's should play better, right? Some of our fans are a little scared to start Quinn because of what happened to Couch and I can understand that but if Quinn is better and in camp on time he will play. We all thought we could win 6-7-8 games last year and look what happened, a lot of fans blamed Frye for all the injuries and losses and wanted Anderson to play. Anderson played and we still got beat. It's the same thing every year, Everybody loves the backup QB. If we get off to a bad start evry fan will be calling for Brady Quinn to play and we all know it. Brady Quinn isn't a headcase or a kid who can't handle pressure. If he's in camp and signs on time and plays well Quinn will be our starting QB. This is the 2007 team not the 1999 team and I think all of us are glad about that!  Thank you Phil Savage and Go Browns!!!!! 
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Good thoughts PETE.
I'll agree 100% that Couch was ruined by a terrible team, but I don't think it was his first year that hurt him. I believe it was the culmination of a few years and constant beating that did him in. Not to mention the physcilogical and emotional beating he took from the coeach (BD) and the fans. That being said, noone will ever know if he would have been better on a different team.
Quinn is a very talented QB. He is one who works constantly to get better. He comes from a team with very little talent, but still performed very well, record setting to be precise.
They way Quinn is telling the media that he is letting Condon handle the negotiations, tells me that he is not going to be in camp. I think he's trying to cram as much as possible now, knowing that he will hold out. IMO he knows he not starting Sept. 9, and never was. I think Frye will get the start and when and IF the team is faltering Quinn will see the field. If their is injury to the starter, either Frye or DA, then I believe the other will come in, not Quinn.
If the team is struggling by the bye week, look for Quinn to start after the bye. If he is not ready by then, he was definately not worth the hype.
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If Brady Quinn is signed and in camp on time and picks up Chud's offense and ouyplays the other two QB's he should play. Our offense under Frye or Anderson didn't exactly remind us of the 1986-87 Kosar led Browns you know.
Just look at the entire history of Rookie QB's starting in the NFL, VS second or third year QB's starting in the NFL. The stats speak for themselves.
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KJ wasn't an all-pro but played very well on some pretty bad Browns teams and was actually released by that "fantastic" head coach Butch Davis because he couldn't block, remember?!
It had something to do with blocking alright....just not in game blocking....the guy couldn't block William Green from his wife... 
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Just look at the entire history of Rookie QB's starting in the NFL, VS second or third year QB's starting in the NFL. The stats speak for themselves.
STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!! .... and heres another example of EXACTLY WHY ....
U wanna compare QB's who started in their rookie years vs QB's who started in years 2 and 3 of their careers .... thats GREAT .. u can come to the conclusion that the Rookies were OUTPLAYED for that ONE YEAR ...
Now go ahead and COMPLETE THE PICTURE ... compare HOW MUCH FURTHER AHEAD the guys that STARTED in their rookie years were in YEAR 2 AND 3 of their careers were vs the guy starting for the first time in years 2 and 3 .. that would bring SOME MEANING TO THE STATS ...
Would Ben have had the POISE AND EXPERIENCE it took to lead his team to the SB W in year two if not for the EXPERIENCE he gained in the regular season and playoffs in year 1 .. WE KNOW RIVERS in year 3 didn't have the poise and experience to do it .... maybe if he started in year 1 or 2 he would have been MUCH BETTER PREPARED for the PLAYOFFS ...
I mean comparing Rookie QB's starting vs 2nd and 3rd year starters is a JOKE .. no kidding the guys starting in years two and three are gonna have MUCH BETTER first year stats ... DUHHHH ... *L* ..
starting a rookie QB is NO WHERES NEAR IDEAL ... but its no wheres near as bad as u guys say it is ... especially trying to prove it by looking at one stat ... *L* .. want proof .... see payton .. see brees .. see Marino .. see Elway ... see McScabb .... and theres PLENTY MORE where that came from ..
and i've said it a million times .. if BQ sits all year .. i'm fine with it ... so this isnt me pimping BQ playing .. i could truely care less .. I have an opinion on what i would like to see happen .. and it isnt BQ starting or playing in the opener against Pitt .. I'll share the rest as we get closer to the season .. at the end of the day ... I WILL BE FINE WEATEHR BQ STARTS 16 GAMES OR ZERO GAMES OR ANY # IN BETWEEN ....
U guys can sit on your THEIRS ONLY ONE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT CLOSED MINDED STUBBORNESS for as long as U like .... your problem, not mine ...
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U guys can sit on your THEIRS ONLY ONE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT CLOSED MINDED STUBBORNESS for as long as U like .... your problem, not mine ...
It's not a PROBLEM at all, and I have said before there are some occasions where it's OK for a rookie to start, but this is NOT one of them.
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KJ was released because he was ALLEGEDLY doing William Green's GF, which lead to the confrontation where Green got stabbed.
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I thought it was the other way around.... I though Green was doing KJ's girlfriend and KJ caught them, hence Green's DUI incident (pulled over half dressed with a slashed tire, etc...) and then the stabbing by the girlfriend (who was undoubtedly PO'd at Green after finding out what happened).
Green was one of Butch's boys though, KJ wasn't.... so KJ was shown the door.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I could be wrong...this is 2nd hand info, but the way I understood it was Green found out that his girlfriend was sleeping with KJ the day he got his DUI. Green and the GF were trying to work it out, he threatened to ship her back to Atlantic City, or whatever, and keep the kids, trying to get sole custody. She found out, went gorilla dick on him, and stabbed him. Butch protected his boy, and released KJ.
Either way, it's still eerily reminscent of the Willie Roaf and Joe Horn saga.
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