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I think that if that scenario came about, someone would jump us for Garrett or Allen - SF has several needs, why not also move down a few spots for extra picks?

800 points to move down from 1 to 3 - the equivalent of pick #21. I'd take #3, their 2nd rounder this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year as a starting point (2nd if they finish in playoffs, 3rd if not - this is pretty close to being even).

I'm just starting to look at the 2017 draft class.

Probably too early to take Christian at the 12 spot. But I really like this kid and hope we get him. Great receiving RB, return man and threw a couple TD's all while breaking Berry Sanders single season all purpose yard record at Stanford.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2136743/christian-mccaffrey

Not familiar with their roster - do they have any young talent in the defensive backfield? Or OL?

Not sure to be honest, but how likely would they be to trade young talent?

San fran is solid at both safeties, rb, Lt, 5 techs and still have Navarro bowman. That's about it. Need qb, wr, te, ol, nt, olb and cb. Or did you mean Chicago? I doubt they'd trade young talent

Let em jump us. For 2 extra 2nds I'll live with Jon allen lol

I'm up for it as long as we get their word on who they are drafting (Trubisky)

I understand your viewpoint but at some point you run into a wall with it where they only have limited roster spots and they need to concentrate their draft capital to draft quality picks over the total amount of picks.

I honestly have no idea where they see us at after a 1-15 season but we already have so many young players that they would be smart to condense their picks from the lower rounds to move up and take higher tier talent for limited roster spots instead of just drafting kids that will never make the roster because there is no room.

I imagine that will happen eventually but probably not now. Even with 15 picks a year by year 4 even if it was an amazing draft at least 7 or 8 of those 1st 15 will be cut. Be prepared for another 12+

I disagree. I see no need to condense the draft class, especially now. It is always better to have more tickets in a raffle.

A good player can be found from any pick, 1st round to the last round.

We just have a philosophical disagreement on trading up. Like I said before if you're trading up in the lower rounds with only minor loss of draft capital then okay....but otherwise I'll pass on trading up.

I pretty much agree on trading up in the first.

I never want to say never, but unless you have to for a franchise QB or it's a once in a lifetime prospect, it is rarely worth the cost.

In the other rounds, the drop off in talent can make it worth it.

After a couple nifty trades...

Your score is: 11054 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 17 (WASH): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A-)
Round 2 Pick 1: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12 (PHI): Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 2 Pick 17 (WASH): Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Isaiah Ford, WR, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Nazair Jones, DT, North Carolina (A+)

I would pee myself with this. Watson went #2 to SF, and Trubisky was still sitting there at 17, I had to grab him. Trying to balance need & BPA, the only position I wanted that I couldn't get with high value at the spot was OT. The top RBs went early too, but I can live with our RB corps.

With Garrett and McKinley, and Williams at safety, plus another big man to rotate in the middle with Jones, this would be a serious upgrade on D. QBs would be running for their lives. We'd have a real center, another good guard, and more weapons for Trubisky. Even if it took Adoree' Jackson time to develop at corner, we'd have his blazing speed on STs, and could even use him on offense if Hue wanted to. We'd be looking at an entirely different team.

Was thrilled to hear that the Browns coaching staff is coaching the South for the Senior Bowl. They will get invaluable data on a bunch of these kids coming out....

Traded back from 12 to 15 and picked up an additional 2nd.
Traded back our 6th rounder to get a 7th.

May get a lil flack for getting two centers, but for who was available, I had to add Toth.

Was surprised to see Maye available in the 4th.

Your score is: 9758 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 15 (PHI): Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 12 (PHI): Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 2 Pick 18: Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Marcus Maye, FS, Florida (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jon Toth, C, Kentucky (B+)
Round 6 Pick 10 (BUF): Jake Replogle, DT, Purdue (B-)
Round 7 Pick 16 (BALT): Joshua Dobbs, QB, Tennessee (B)

Those picks look a lot like the ones I make - those top 5 are all really good selections. Top 3 alone immediately improve the defense. I also like Wormley as an Allen-type being able to play end in a 3-4 and tackle in the 4-3.

Your score is: 10395 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 14 (IND): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A-)
Round 2 Pick 1: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington (A-)
Round 2 Pick 14 (IND): Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: Garett Bolles, OT, Utah (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (B+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Derrick Nnadi, DT, Florida State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Johnathan Ford, FS, Auburn (A+)

Here's another I'd be happy with. I'm not in love with Trubisky, but he keeps popping up in the middle of the first round so I have to grab him. With Garrett, and the revamped O-line and secondary, I'd be happy. Might almost start looking like a real team.

Then I'd thought I'd try one where I could grab Kizer in the 2nd round. I was able to make some trades and pick him up near the bottom (23). I was able to revamp the secondary adding studs on D, shore up the O-line, pick up a couple value WRs.

Your score is: 10861 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 5 (L.A.): Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (G.B.): DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 5 (TENN): Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 18 (TENN): Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 5 (L.A.): Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (B)
Round 5 Pick 5 (L.A.): Bryan Cox, DE, Florida (A)
Round 5 Pick 32: Dan Skipper, OT, Arkansas (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (A+)

Tyrod Taylor + contract or Garoppolo + a [high] pick + a contract?

I'm taking Taylor.

What are opinions about Ben Boulware, ILB, Clemson? I watched a couple of Clemson games and he seemed to be mentioned alot.I though he played with alot of heart and had a bit of a nasty streak. He always seemed to be around the ball. I liked what little I saw, but was surprised to see him ranked outside of the seven round draft by CBS.

Once you fall the 4th round and beyond you have less than a 10% chance of finding a meaningful player. Yes, some are indeed found there but it's RARE. By focusing on the first three round and using the lower tier picks to move up into those top 3 rounds your odds of landing meaningful players jumps dramatically.

Should have tried to get a OG or OT too. Toth is not bad but we already have depth at oline what we need is starting caliber on the o-line.

What is the definition of meaningful player?
Where does that 10% come from?

Check this site:

fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft

Pulled up that article
Looks interesting but a little too intense for me to read in depth tonight
I have a head cold and reading that detail was starting to give me a headache with this stuffy head I have.

One thing I saw that I disagree with was the efficient-market hypothesis

"The efficient-market hypothesis states that — with certain caveats — markets are informationally efficient. Since any one investor theoretically operates with the same set of information as any other,"

Not all GMs have the same information. The better a teams scouts the better the information that GM will have.

I will try to get back to it in a day or 2.

Everyone else was doing it. While some of the values are way of I find first pick to be very nice tool for us to consider trades.

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 3 (CHI): Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 1 Pick 20 (DEN): Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (A)
Round 2 Pick 13 (ARI): Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (B+)
Round 2 Pick 18: Eric Medina, K, Texas Southern (F)
Round 3 Pick 13 (ARI): Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky (A)
Round 4 Pick 7 (S.D.): Conor McDermott, OT, UCLA (A-)
Round 5 Pick 7 (S.D.): Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Nathan Gerry, SS, Nebraska (D-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Corn Elder, CB, Miami (Fla.) (B)
Round 6 Pick 7 (S.D.): Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (A+)


So I traded back to 3 for an extra 2nd so da Bears could jump SF for their qb. I see that as the most likely trade if we don't keep 1 but in reality we would likely get more compensation in real time.

Allen and Hooker would be a good haul but Barnett, Fournette and Adams were still available at 12. So I went until only Barnett was left and used Chicagos 35 and 65 to jump to 20 to land a 3rd impact prospect.

Traded back from 33 to recoup selections and I find the late 1st early 2nd Area to be weak for value. The kicker with the titans 2nd represents Garrapolo. And my God does that site hate Nate Gerry wow! Am I the only one that would lose their mind for this? It's all very easily within rely of possibility. Barnett likely wouldn't fall so far but Chicago would also give us better value so that offsets in my mind.

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 10 (BUF): Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 21 (HOU): Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy (A+)
Round 5 Pick 2 (S.F.): Davis Webb, QB, California (A)
Round 5 Pick 32: Jon Toth, C, Kentucky (B+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama (D+)
Round 6 Pick 2 (S.F.): Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova (C+)

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Here's mine. I really need to watch some more Antonio Garcia but he's request me.

A lot of people are down on Nate Gerry because they don't think he has the range to play in the NFL.

Your score is: 8577 (GRADE: C)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee (A-)
Round 2 Pick 1: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (B+)
Round 2 Pick 18: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (C+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jadar Johnson, SS, Clemson (D+)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=21e6b3bc-73fd-49d6-aff1-a7a067663881

2 A+ picks
2 A picks
1 A- pick
1 B+
1 C+
1 D+

How does that end up with an overall C grade?
Must be that new math

Like any of these mock drafts are supposed to make sense?

Two d linemen?

If we hire Greg Williams as DC. I assume we'd switch to a 4-3.

Free Agency:

*Resign Jamie Collins and Terrelle Pryor
*Sign Dominique Easley and TJ McDonald from LA


Draft:

1(1) DE Myles Garrett
1(12) QB Deshone Kizer, a bit of a reach but tons of upside
2(33) S Budda Baker
2. OT Antonio Garcia
3. CB Kevin King
4. OT Avery Gennessey
5. WR Ryan Switzer
5. RB James Conner
5. TE Pharaoh Brown
6. DT Ryan Glasgow

Your score is: 8197 (GRADE: C-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik McDowell, DT/DE, Michigan State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Carl Lawson, DE/OLB, Auburn (B+)
Round 2 Pick 18: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Sefo Liufau, QB, Colorado (F)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jadar Johnson, SS, Clemson (D+)

http://www.first-pick.com/NFL/Share.aspx?id=f8604cde-80c5-4617-9160-8d17992def4f

They were the best rated player for me...and the defense needs DL.

In base personnel the DL only really has 1 starting player in Shelton the DEs playing next to him shouldn't be starters.

Plug in Allen and McDowell next to Shelton and base personnel defense got a lot better stoping the run and rushing the passer.

I would just about throw in the towel with KISER at 12 ..uck !

What about Bryant?

Based on the rumours regarding Horton, have thought more about the 4-3 notwithstanding teams run the nickel a lot anyway. I traded up to get Mitch. I waited till past pick 22

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Your score is: 10364 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 1 Pick 25 (SEA): Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13 (ARI): Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor (A)
Round 5 Pick 2 (S.F.): Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 27 (NYG): Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Travin Dural, WR, LSU (B)
Round 7 Pick 27 (NYG): Freddie Stevenson, FB, Florida State (B)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2019 Round 1 Pick

I think Allen would be great as a DT - he would solidfy us vs the run and he would generate a rush. Ogbah, Shelton, Allen and Bryant/Nassib/AN Other should be stout against the run whilst also being able to bring pressure with just 4.

Secondary is improved with Hooker, King and Douglas. Adams will also rotate in at tackle and provide depth there. I'd perhaps be tempted to play King as the free safety along side Hooker.

Fuller comes in and competes with Reiter for the starting gig. Trubisky sits as long as we can allow or until he is ready.

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 18: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Fish Smithson, FS, Kansas (F)
Round 5 Pick 32: Amba Etta-Tawo, WR, Syracuse (B)
Round 6 Pick 1: Cole Croston, OT, Iowa (F)

Defense Fixed !! And QB of the future at the top of round 2 !!

Not going to happen of course.

Good teams have a rotation of DL.

Your score is: 11067 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin (A-)
Round 2 Pick 10 (BUF): Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (A)
Round 2 Pick 18: Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Cooper Kupp, WR, Eastern Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 18 (TENN): Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss (A)
Round 5 Pick 32: Nazair Jones, DT, North Carolina (A+)
Round 6 Pick 1: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)

I like playing around with first-pick, but here's a great example of how unrealistic it can be. Don't get me wrong, I'd think most of us would be a bit stoked with this, but still...

It assumed we move to 4-3

Your score is: 10644 (GRADE: A-)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 3 (CHI): Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 11 (N.O.): Jamal Adams, SS, LSU (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Malik Hooker , FS, Ohio State (A)
Round 1 Pick 18 (TENN): Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vanderbilt (A)
Round 2 Pick 11 (N.O.): Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 3 Pick 9 (CINN): Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (CHI): Brad Kaaya, QB, Miami (Fla.) (A+)
Round 5 Pick 32: Channing Stribling, CB, Michigan (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell (B)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2019 Round 1 Pick