DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Hiring Gregg Williams (according to LaCanfora)

Imagine the landscape in just sports alone if every "scumbag" both exposed and unexposed were banished? I don't condone bad behavior, actually I deplore it, but here we are. Hopefully his (Williams) exposure has led him to stick to his football knowledge to scheme a game and NOT trying to knock a guy out of a game.

The Rams have as good of defensive talent as almost any team in the league.

However, they gave up over 30 points in 6 games and 28 in another. They also gave up over 40 points 3 times.

That's inspirational.

That NBC article states they were stout at the line but, also vulnerable on the big play.

Grossi seems like he is taking a stab in the dark and hoping to hit on something:



https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/817919664349126656

Fisher is Jeff Fisher's son. Williams is Gregg Williams's son.

Nepotism!

really don't care about bountygate anymore.

dude got busted, got fined and suspended. time to move on.

Here is an image of why I don't like Cover 2. It is susceptible to big plays.

This is true, but statistics aren't always fair to evaluate (on both sides)


I think that's what DiamDawg's motto used to be. "Stats are for losers" lol. I mean, was the defense down, needing to make a big play to turn the tide of the game. Trying too hard for turnovers and the big play. Or they could have bad field position the whole game.

I didn't watch any Rams games this year, so I don't know. But they're possibilities.

But then again, maybe his defense looked better in other ways because the offense was so awful that teams didn't have to make many risks to beat them. I think I remember a couple of years of that with the Browns afterall


Just food for thought

You're right, he's probably toned it down since his suspension. He'll probably just have crap games and hookers in the locker rooms now.

He may actually be here for awhile. Not HC material. Has he ever interviewed for a HC gig?

Now bring your DL Coach with you Williams.

Nobody equated lowlife Williams paying his players to cheat and harm opposing players with rape. It is a fact Hue Jackson has had his buddy Art "rape is okay" Briles hanging out aroubd the Browns. Try to keep up with news before you start insulting people.

He was HC of the Bills.

So it looks like it was Hue's decision, like most people figured.

Horton apparently didn't expect to be let go. Fair to say Hue is probably now off Horton's Christmas card list.

Yep...and big plays have been a thorn in the side of Williams defenses. You better have stud safties to run it, and even then if a mistake happens it's most likely 6.

Drafting Hooker or Adams at 12 becomes a must imo. Can you imagine Kindred and Poyer in this???

j/c:


http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...inator-1.738857

This comment from Hue seems to reflect the tweets of people following the story. Allegedly, Horton didn't have as much flexibility to fit players with his defense. I guess we'll see how Williams does. I'm kinda happy that we're most likely moving to a 43 base but talent will ultimately determine how successful it will be.

Poyer was GIVEN a starting job due to lack of talent. I'd MUCH rather have Reynolds over him.

I have confidence that Kindred will get better, but I still want TWO safeties in this draft. One with the 12th pick, one somewhere day two.

They used to, they lost some last year.

Long is in New England, Jenkins in NY, and McLeod in Philly.

Tremaine Johnson hurt his ankle in week 6, missed 2 games, and reaggravated it in wk 10.

Robert Quinn hurt his shoulder in wk 7, was hospitalized prior to wk 11, and got a concussion in wk 13.

The Rams offense was worse than ours.

Not saying it's a great hire, but he was dealing with some issues.

I didn't even mention Fisher being on the outs.

Poyer was better than Kindred or Campbell....although all stunk. I actually want one safety in FA and one at 12. We then could draft a corner in round two to pair with Joe and not start three rookies in a secondary that Williams puts a ton of pressure on with his blitzing. Having vets back there to help the rookies is going to be big to limit the big plays Vers was talking about.

A pretty good basic presentation of a 43.

Cleveland Browns finally announce the hire.

Woah woah woah. For educational purposes I don't think their talent level is as good as you say. I'm fine with you saying they're average and underperformed after losing a lot to free agency but I don't agree with as good as anyone.

Their back end is atrocious other than johnson and quinn only played 6 games. Sure their DT are great and Ogletree has evened out but it still a plus player. Mark barron plays a key role. Thats really it though. Their Gm really screwed this year and admittedly I didn't get to watch them live but their stats suggest they didn't regress despite their losses.

Like I said just don't want false info. If you disagree and think their d talent is amazing, fine. Im not saying this because im pro williams. Before this year yeah but losing Fairley, Long, Lauranitis, ayers, jenkins is pretty significant. So unless they were far and away the most talent d in the land then (which no one would say) they can't possibly still be as good as anyone after losing 5 of the top 12 defenders.

J/C .....

It seems to me that Hue was really teed off with Horton and the defense, late in the year, and stepped over to that side of the ball. He left Hamilton to handle the offense, in at least one game.

I think that Hue listened to a lot of people when assembling his staff, and one organization in particular had an agenda of promoting certain coaches, as opposed to making the Browns as successful as possible.

One other thing, that I mentioned earlier, is that in the points allowed stat from last year are 6 TDs that were the direct result of offensive turnovers. (5 INT and 1 Fumble returned for TDs against the Rams) Take out those 42 points and the Rams scoring defense would have placed 13th in the league at 352 points. (and yes, I know that some other teams had INT/Fumbles returned for TDs)

The Browns were 3rd worst in the NFL, allowing 452 points. They only had 2 TDs caused by offensive turnovers, and 1 point on a blocked XP.

Take all of thise for whatever it's worth.

Why you wasting your time with facts?

Can you elaborate on this?

Yea. My first thought was Nati' and Coach Lewis when I read that. Are you implying that Lewis had other motives when giving advice?

I would love to hear more about that.
Especially which organization.

You don't think that Donald and Quinn are elite? They actually cut Laurenitis and Long, because they thought they had better players.

While this link is still here

http://www.therams.com/team/coaches/gregg-williams/d3dc982f-f86b-4896-922a-951ca261fe12

Is that to me? In case it is. I never said they weren't. Though i would def put quinn in "good" not elite. Donald def is. The cuts were a combination of cap and regression. The players even have quotes admitting they weren't living up to their contracts.

I know some are acting like they are all sensitive to Bounty gate now that Williams is coming here. Pull up your big boy panties and get over it. Teams have had pools for a long time in which the guy that gets the big blowup hit collects the weeks funds. The whole thing was blown up by the NFL because some of the QBs felt Williams teams hit them to hard. Boo freaking hooo

Perhaps take a minute to learn how to reply to posters before indiscriminately slinging your BS vitriol.

as much past history of controversy Williams brings I will say his defenses do play with attitudes and dont back down from opponents.
Horton defenses are too passive too soft and they play with skirts on.

Amen.

I wanna see a "BBB" Pool.

Brown, Ben, Bell. Oh yeah!

We may have finally entered a new era of Browns football. One in which we can finally be competitive in the AFC North. Attitude is everything.

I'm with ya... Don't really care for Williams... But he has had good defenses... Will be insteredting to see how much we can improve next year... Have to get some players though

can't understand why some would want Horton retained
it's makes no sense

can't understand why some would want Horton retained
it's makes no sense

Good luck on that. KoK is on another Browns board I frequent, and this is par for the course for him.