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I think the #1 pick is setled after last night game.

Now we just have to hope we don't trade down...

I don't think we should get overconfident about one single game....... Watson's a very good college QB. But I'm not sure he has all the tools to be an NFL QB.


Myles Garrett is a good safe bet, I'd consider Watson with our #12 pick. But if he isn't there, life will go on.

You're correct, it is definitely Garrett.

Agreed. I just don't see a number 1 QB there. Mariota and Winston, I saw it.

I thought I saw it in Goff (wasn't comfortable with Wentz).


I'll be sorely dissapointed at this point if we used a number 1 on Watson.


Garrett IMO is a stud prospect at an impact position. He's gotta be the pick.

Nit pick nit pick nit pick! Any draft pick is the toss of the dice. Watson is a winner!! Do you all that don't want the Browns to pick Watson really think there is going to be a QB at 12. No, I don't think so.

AGREED ... thats why we need to take MITCH with the first pick ....

MITCH MITCH MITCH!!!

The combine, personal workouts, interviews will be the determinant with regards to who the Browns draft. Numbers only tell you so much.

Would you still feel that way if they had correctly called Offensive Pass Interference on the last TD and Clemson ended up losing the game?

He and his draft stock are on a high right now.

The key aspect of draft season is picking apart those that are up high and building up those that are lower..

He will be picked apart, constantly, probably by the same talking heads singing his praises right now..

Are we really going to start pimping a QB with the "he's a winner" analysis again? I distinctly remember that being all some people had to say in praising Tebow & Manziel.

As good as Watson is, I still wouldn't even think of taking him w/ our #1 pick.

Interceptions a red flag for Deshaun Watson

Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2017, 10:22 AM EST

It makes plenty of sense for Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson to head to the NFL. He won’t improve his stock at all by returning to college football and continuing to play for far less than what he brings to the table.

The question now becomes what really is his stock? By playing at a very high level in a pair of NCAA championship games against Alabama’s NFL-caliber defense, Watson has proven that he can perform in a big spot. It’s still not known whether he, or any other college player, will perform at a high level at the next level.

Here’s the one red flag for Watson: His interceptions. He threw 17 in 2016, and he had 13 in 2015. To have that many passes picked off against college defenses, the question becomes how many would that be against NFL-caliber defensive backs? One way for NFL teams to answer that will be to look at every throw from every game and assess whether each pass, if made in an NFL game, would have resulted in a completion, an incompletion, or an interception.

When former West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith had 25 touchdown passes and zero interceptions during an early-season Heisman run five years ago, one scout who studied Smith’s performances said that Smith would have had three interceptions against Maryland alone, if the Terrapins had only a moderately competent free safety.

So if Watson had 30 total interceptions in two seasons at Clemson, how many would that be at the next level? There’s only one way to find out.

That depends, the Browns don't have a moderately competent free safety and they are considered to be a professional football team.

The biggest mistakes in judging talent usually happen when you try to make a decision based on a players best or worst performance.

Tebow, Vince Young, Manziel, and etc.


People get on too much of an emotional high with these guys.

Agreed. Great college QB doesn't mean great NFL QB.

Same with Troy Smith. I remember some folks on here wanted us to draft him with our first pick......

Kellen Moore, Colt McCoy, Dan LeFevour, ... ...

lol, were that many on this board hyping Kellen Moore with an early pick? The guys we were mentioning were getting mentioned for early picks. Same with LeFevour. I don't think anyone wanted him in the first round. I was on the LeFevour in the 3rd round group, lol


Now Colt McCoy, he probably a group behind him going real early.



But the Troy Smith craze. Now that was something. There were folks that thought he was an early 1st round pick.

Troy Smith played so much better than Alex Smith when they were 9ers and it wasn't even close. Troy Smith left the 9ers at the wrong time and he was too old for a FA QB with limited success.

Says the guy pimping Trubisky just because.

Your logic applies to every single QB in the draft. Ever.

Anyway

The #1 overall should be Garrett. At 12 though? I would understand them taking him there. Especially if the defensive player they are targeting there is already off the board.

Disagree with you there, ID42. I believe, based on an admittedly small sample size, that Reynolds showed up very well...

Best play at FS all season.

I'd still prefer defense...but if they think he's the franchise and don't like any other qbs and don't think he'll last until our second first round then I say go for it..

Surprised I am, that nobody responded to this. It's an excellent point.

I always started evaluating players w/their worst performances. I think weaknesses are extremely important in evaluating players.

That isn't to be negative, but it is about ............can we fix this? Can we improve that? Is this something that this guy will never be able to do?

Scouting and coaching are different. When I coached, I emphasized what they could do. You build on it. You keep guys out of bad situations.

But scouting, you gotta start w/weaknesses.

Oh..........and about Watson. That sounds so Browns-like. Analytics will probably tell them to draft him because he wore orange in college.

Vers if it eases your mind Watson is generally considered a mid 1st by analytics. Though isn't that mostly on hues shoulders?

Thanks for the info.

I am not confident in the Brown's ability to evaluate qbs. They had Goff over Wentz. They thought RGIII might be a long-term answer. They drafted Kessler earlier than I would have ever imagined.

Blah.......

Agreed.

No more spread QB in Cleveland.

Spread QBs never work in the NFL. I can't think of one that has been successful for even one season.

So we cannot draft a single QB?

What? How on Earth does it apply to every QB ever? Has every QB in the draft won a national championship?

They will be selling insurance in 2-3 years.

Of course not.

So why you throw manziel's name in the mix with your post?

I'm only going off of what you posted.

And you named a guy who didn't win a title. All well.

Marcus Mariota, Alex Smith, Cam Newton are a few.

I think Sam Bradford ran the spread too

Doesn't matter what system they run in college. They will all have to learn a new system in the pros anyways.

If you want to predict a QB's success you look at his decision making skills like reading the defense before and after the snap.

Then you look at how he throws the football. When the ball hits the receiver is it routinely in the numbers or leading the receiver to YAC facing the direction he should be headed? OR is the ball just in the general area, behind the receiver to where they have to twist backwards for it. How he places the ball for the receivers on a regular basis is a key to knowing if they see the field and understand it well enough to anticipate where to throw it or if they are simply winging it and reacting after the fact.

I challenge you to go rewatch that film and carefully watch the position the WR are put in when they are catching the ball. Are the WR forced to make a lot of acrobatic catches or do they look easy and matter of fact like they KNOW the ball will be where it is supposed to be.

There is a reason the WR for Clemsen are getting a lot of accolades. Take an honest rewatch of the video and you will see why that is.

Cfrs is sass personified.

So, judging on this thread feelings, I guess we are going to trade down.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill

Geesh.

I'm not even that harsh. I'd take him higher than that just based on his physical tools and character.

How many super bowls have they won?