DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Jimmy Garoppolo trade to the Browns...rumor

If we were to give up a #1 Pick for a QB why not just draft one ???

People seem to get the idea I'm promoting the idea when I'm not. lol

If teams feel that this is not a good QB class and feel Jimmy G. is a better option, why would they draft a QB when they can get Jimmy G.?

You see, that question goes both ways.

It does I just happen to be on the Mitch Trubisky wagon

I guess you are already giving up on Goff. Fischer wanted to sit him for a year but ownership wanted him to play.

As of now, Wentz looks like the real deal. I have a feeling he is gonna put on quite a show next season. But Wentz needs playmakers. Running backs are cool, but his WR is a #2. So the eagles might go get mike Williams from Clemson.

Goff..... just hasn't looked good at all. Looked scared, honestly. I means there's hope I guess. But it will all depend on how the new HC approaches him and that offense.

But like Tony Dungy said. You get these QB's who are suppose to be the guy, you start they asses day one. They need all the reps they can get.

The Lambs hire at HC will be very very interesting ....

Goff needs lots of guidance ... lots and lots of guidance ... *L* ...

If he gets it ... we'll see what the boys got .;...

It's not all that difficult to understand. Some of us think that Jimmy G is a better qb prospect than any qb in the draft.

Not asking you or anyone to agree, but lame ass arguments like he plays for New England aren't going to change my mind.

I'm not a scout, so I have no particular ability at spotting QB prowess. I also don't want to insult anyone else's abilities in that regard. But when I read people making equivalence between Cody Kessler and Jimmy Garoppolo, I have to wonder if they ever saw JG throw the football.

I posted a couple vids on the first page of this thread - I know its a small sample - but if you watch those and don't see the obvious difference between him and Kessler in terms of arm talent, then I don't know what to tell you.

Thank you, sir.

There is no comparison.

As I have said many times. You can't predict injury. That happens in a instant. Somebody rolls on your leg and you can be out for the season.


How do you factor that? Joe T hasn't missed a snap. Say in preseason game 1 someone rolls on him and he misses the season, he is all of a sudden injury prone?


I understand how some conditions are somewhat predictable....backs as an example. Some guys have thick legs with limited flexibility and they suffer pulled muscles more often, but a blown out knee that has never been....that is a part of the gamne and gable all player's take.

I didn't watch those vids until just now. For sure he's got a better arm than Kessler, ain't worth debating.
Also, JG looked comfortable, self-assured. He seems to have a relaxed but quick throwing motion. Is it me, but were there times he seemed to not plant his back foot on some throws?
Hell yeah, we gotta get that guy! And I'm serious.

Dude is super confident. One of my two knocks on him when he was in college is how much he trusted his arm. He would fire the ball into tight windows and I worried that the speed of NFL defenders would lead to turnovers.

On the other hand, I also liked that he was a qb who made plays. I much prefer that to a puss who is afraid to make certain throws.

And I agree I was one who wanted Jimmy in the draft.

Those who have actually watched him play start to understand pretty fast why he is so good. That pump fake of his is murder on the defense(according to the DBs he played against).

The ONLY reason people look down on him is because he didn't come from a big time school. It was kind of like the Trub problem where you don't have enough exposure to solidify an opinion.

Still if you watch the players play then it becomes obvious very fast that Jimmy G. is going to be a very good QB IMHO. =)

Though some of you could find these video's from Dave a littler easier this way.

What strikes me the most and would be an instant upgrade for us at the QB spot is that JimmyG already knows where he wants to throw the ball before the snap. We haven't had a QB who got rid of the ball that quickly so consistently since Hoyer.

IF this is the real JimmyG, this offense could take a huge leap forward. We've got the targets for him. This whole season I feel like our QB's left a ton of wards on the field because no one was hitting our WR's in stride. I don't know how the actual stats play out, but it felt like the majority of our passes were on digs,hooks, comebacks... no posts, no seam routes outside of Barnidge... getting the ball within that 2-3 second window I think would greatly benefit guys like Coleman and Pryor as at that point they've made a move, are passing between zones, or haven't yet drawn the safety coverage over the top.

Have we had a QB since 1999 that can make the play that Garoppolo did at 1:20 of the first video?

This guy could improve us in a number of ways. Next year we can take the draft another direction. Not sold on Kessler or RG3 for next year.

Thanks. I found them yesterday but it took a little work. I am sure many will appreciate you bringing these forward.

Here is my issue with these videos. What is the video speed? Look at how fast the players are running. It seems as if the video is sped up a little. Maybe not. But it makes me question if G's arm is as strong as it looks in the videos.

I may be way off on this. It is just a subjective observation. I look at the video and my 1st thought was, wow, I don't remember him having that much zip on the ball. We need to get this guy. Then on 2nd look, the players seem to be running a little fast.

Now before the spin police come after me, I am not against trading for G. I am neither for nor against it at this time. I am in the process of trying to make up my mind and I am looking at things critically.

The 2 biggest concern in my mind are:

1, his size - he seems a little small and I worry that he could be fragile. 3 different websites (espn, nfl.com and patriots.com) all have him at 6'2 225# which isn't too bad. He doesn't look that big.

2, his arm strength. I remember watching the patriots games this season and not being impressed by his arm strength. But then I watch these videos and I am wowed by it. If this video is true speed then I am all in on getting him.

j/c:

I'd be happy to trade for him, and think there is a legitimate chance a trade can happen, but a second rounder and a late rounder (that could perhaps increase based on performance measurables) is as far as I would go, personally. I think this is even more than I originally wanted, but the more I think about JG, the more I like him as an option. Hell, Jacoby Brisett could be someone to kick the tires on too.

And this is coming from someone who is very much a Trubisky fan.

I'm glad you agree that there is no proof....

I don't even question that. I'm certain that if the Pats do indeed want to trade him, They'll get a 1st rounder. and for the precise reasons you laid out.

But that still leaves me with a question, why? Why trade him. Given that Brady is in the twilight of his career why trade someone that could be the starter for years to come.

I've read that they have a guy in the wings that they may like even more and that he comes with a smaller price tag. Could that be the reason?

Or, could it be that Belichick doesn't see Jimmy G as the true "next man up" for the Pats?

Jester, he is a little shorter than I would like. However, he is 225 lbs and has a very solid build. I know he got injured this year, but his body type is far from fragile looking.

Regarding the tape and your comments. Jimmy G does not have elite arm strength. However, he does possess an NFL arm. One of his biggest strengths is just how quickly he gets rid of the ball. That is an offensive line's best friend.

You probably read that from Irish Dawg on this board. I have NOT seen any legitimate article that states they like Brisset better than Jimmy G. Put it this way, who started when Brady was suspended?

I think the answer to the question about why NE would be willing to trade him has been answered many times. Brady has said he wants to play until he is 45. He is a workout warrior and his body is in fantastic shape. Jimmy G will become a free agent and will almost certainly draw a ton of interest from other teams. It would make more sense for NE to trade Jimmy G before he reaches free agency and lose him for nothing. Plus, the idea of franchising a back-up player is rather absurd.

I think the odds of the Browns acquiring Jimmy G are long, but a fan can have hope...

I don't think there was a single throw in the first video that was impressive. Every receiver was open by a country mile. He wasn't close to getting hit on any play.

The second video was much more impressive. Showed excellent arm strength and pocket presence. I didn't see him panic in the pocket once and there was some pressure. Fit perfectly placed balls into some tight windows.

I think the only concern would be durability. Not much help if you can't stay on the field.

I am in favor of giving the Patriots a nice payment for him. It won't happen though because they want to pick their own guy and Hue is going to convince the FO he can develop whoever it is they decide to draft.

This is another problem with the constant turnover. We don't have anyone in the FO with a legacy of possibly liking Garrapolo the year he came out. There's no pull toward him.

Just a thought but could it be that Belichick has already decided that when Brady retires, so does he? If that's the case, he may not care who the heir apparent is and is comfortable with Brisett should Brady go down with injury during a season. Like many posts on our board, it's simply speculation, but the thought crossed my mind recently.

Not at all sure where I read it, perhaps you are correct in your thinking..

As for who started in place of Brady, well, let's see, Jimmy G was the second string guy so it makes sense that he would start. Not to mention that Brisset was a rookie 3rd round pick. I'd go with my #1 back up also. You probably would as well.

Keep in mind, I don't really follow the Pats so the details of this season aren't totally clear to me, but didn't Jimmy G get hurt and Brisset came in and did a decent job.. Something like 400 yards passing and an 80 something rating? I think I have that right but honestly, I'm shooting from memory. Could be totally wrong.

When did discussion of a potential trade of Jimmy G first Come up? I don't remember the exact date, but I think it was well after Brady returned.

Does Belichick feel the same about Jimmy G now that he did in August? Did he see something from Brisset that he doesn't see in Jimmy G?

Anyway, I agree, I doubt he ends up here.

I was trying to answer your questions. That's all.

I don't see why that other poster can make a statement about the Pats liking Brissett better than Jimmy G when they started the latter over the former.

I've never stated ANYTHING about the Pats having another man waiting in the wings, or given any reasoning why the Pats would trade Jimmy G...I think you have me mistaken with someone else.

I merely have stated that Jimmy hasn't proven anything past his original 2nd round draft status..that is all I have said.

If the Browns want to give them their #33, or preferably #52, then go for it. I want this team to improve and succeed..I don't see any reason to give up, what I believe will be an impact player at #12 overall for a QB who hasn't proven he is any better than his original draft position...sorry, that's how I feel.

1st good to hear that he has an NFL arm.

2nd, your statement that he doesn't have an elite arm supports that the videos are sped up because he sure looks like he has an elite arm in those videos.

Sorry about that. I apologize.

As for the rest.........we disagree. No big deal.

Well again, Jimmy G was/is the backup to Brady. Why wouldn't they start him over Bressit?

So I don't think that argument holds any water..

What the hell are you talking about?

Does the argument that the Pats prefer Brisset over Jimmy G hold any water?

I was disputing that claim. If you think otherwise, that is your perogative. I should have known better to answer your questions.

*LOL* .... yes u should have ... as it usually ends up with EVERYONE wondering what the hell he is talking about ... *LOL* ...

Long term, maybe. We will see how this thing plays out.

I wish we had a larger sample size on Jimmy G. I might have to go back to the college tape. I'm trying to get a better feel for his deep throws outside the numbers in specific.

Better yet, what the hell are you talking about?

I'd be very disappointed in this FO if we traded away our overall #1 or the #12 to the Patriots for JG.

CBS sports source says ..... "At 37, Tom knows he only has a few seasons left before retirement. He's thinking ahead and believes he could become a huge movie star," a source told Star, via the Boston Herald. "He's used to being a superstar. After winning the Super Bowl again, he's thinking about new challenges outside of football."

While I definitely do believe Brissett was taken in preparation for this you all are correct that there is no proof they value him more than jimmy. But that truly is a completely moot aspect of the equation.

The simple fact is NE is locked in with brady for 3 seasons minimum. It is literally impossible for them to keep jimmy. Contract wise it is not an option unless Jimmy was to be paid a mil a year to hold a clipboard instead of 15 mil to play. So they need to move him Pryor to his contract year. It's so simple I don't understand why it's so hard to understand.

Even if belicheck loves jimmy. By moving to him instead he'd completely screw his team in cap with all the dead money from Tom. Frankly bills contract guys screwed the pooch but no one will ever say a bad word about that. They shouldve lined toms contract up to account for the possibikity of moving on. They at least have that option with Brissett given that his contract is up the same season as bradys.

Jimmy is essentially a free agent now but instead of competing with his agent to sign him you can just give up picks and have him cheap for a year.