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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PNsp68CRwg

Get to know Jimmy G. from an interview with his family. I don't think it's possible not to like him as a person =) Dude looks like freaking superman! We gotta get this guy!





Lets get back to topic =)

ORIGINAL POST TO START THREAD

Fast easy references are in place so let the debate continue if folks want to =)

Is Superman also going bald?

Jimmy Garoppolo would cost the Browns a fortune in a trade, if it’s even possible

by Adam Stites Dec 11, 2016, 12:05pm EST


The Browns would likely have to send a huge package to the Patriots to acquire Jimmy Garoppolo, but even that might not be enough.



Trading with the New England Patriots is a dangerous game, but acquiring Jimmy Garoppolo could be the best option for the Cleveland Browns to upgrade their quarterback situation.

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Browns aren’t leaning toward a quarterback at the top of the 2017 NFL draft and instead have an “astronomical grade” on Texas A&M pass rusher Myles Garrett. However, Schefter also reported the Browns have “spent an inordinate amount of time” scouting Notre Dame quarterback DeShone Kizer, who could enter the draft soon.

But others believe that the best option could be the Patriots’ backup quarterback:

“The next quarterback that’ll be the Cleveland Browns’ quarterback perhaps is Jimmy Garoppolo in New England,” former Browns general manager Michael Lombardi said Thursday on Fox Sports 1’s Speak for Yourself, via Ohio.com. “I think Cleveland understands, [coach] Hue Jackson specifically understands he needs a quarterback. I think they’ll be very aggressive. I think Jimmy Garoppolo’s on top of their list, and I think they’ll go hard after him.”

Lombardi isn’t calling the shots in Cleveland anymore, so it doesn’t seem like much more than speculation at this point. But the logic holds water. Garoppolo is just 25 years old, spent three seasons learning behind Tom Brady, and posted a 2-0 record and 117.1 passer rating in his limited time as a starter at the beginning of the 2016 season.

If the Browns don’t believe that there’s a quarterback worth taking at the top of the 2017 NFL draft class, Garoppolo could be a young franchise quarterback of the future.

The question is whether or not the Patriots have already earmarked Garoppolo to fill that same role in New England after Brady is done playing. The 11-time Pro Bowler hasn’t shown signs of slowing, but he’ll turn 40 before the beginning of the 2017 season and the Patriots need to have a contingency plan for the inevitable end of Brady’s career, which is certainly on the horizon.

Sending Garoppolo to the Browns — or any other team — makes sense only if the compensation is significant. The Browns will have as much draft capital as any team with the likely No. 1 overall pick and another first-round selection from the Philadelphia Eagles, which could land in the top 10 as well.

Acquiring Garoppolo could mean sending one of the biggest trade packages in NFL history, but that might make sense for Cleveland if the team truly believes he’ll be a top quarterback for the next decade. But it could mean it makes sense for the Patriots to decline such a mammoth deal if Bill Belichick sees Garoppolo the same way.

Greg Cosell's Week 1 Review: Inside Patriots' great plan for Jimmy Garoppolo

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/greg-cosell...-174658994.html


Greg Cosell's QB Study: What Jimmy Garoppolo has to clean up

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/greg-cosell...-164719464.html

Garappolo is better than any body out there. We do need a Francise QB and have for many years.
Are you one of the guys that didn't want Wentz or Goff last year? I'm tired of screwing around with guys like Johnny and RG3. Get me my QB please.

I did like Kiser. His arm, running ability and size, but Man that kid make some stupid plays. Watson looks slight to me and inaccurate. I wanted JG out of college but as we all know the Browns are smarter than everybody else.

For me, that's pretty damn odd. If this was 2005 when Brady was 12 years or so younger, yeah, I get it, but Brady is closer to the end than the beginning of his career.

How do guys like you two keep missing the explanation? If you think Jimmy G sucks, just come out and say it.

But, pretending to not know why the Pats might be thinking of trading him is beyond old.

Brady is in fantastic shape. He said he wants to play until he is 45. Jimmy G will be a FA next year. The Pats can't franchise a backup qb, so they will lose him and get nothing in return. Thus, they might want to trade him this year so they can get a return on their investment.

It's not hard to understand.

'Should the Browns trade for Jimmy Garoppolo? A closer look'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

Lots & lots of GIFS with the article, so click on the link, if interested.

If I thought he sucked, I'd say he sucked,., Damn Vers, quit trying your best(worst) to put words in my mouth.

My question is and will remain, why would Belichick be willing to dump him...

Now grow up and quit with the silliness

That is a fairly awesome article. Thanks for posting.

I just freaking answered WHY Belichick would trade him. Jesus!

If only that were true.

You're welcome buddy!

I mentioned this earlier, but what if Belichick has decided that when Brady retires, he retires. If that's so, then he may not care as much about who the next QB of the Patriots is. Of course, it's total speculation, but that's what we do here!

I think Vers's explanation a few posts up sums it up in a more likely fashion.

What?!?

That was the most I laughed in a long time. But actually, it doesn't look like either are going bald in those pictures.

Others have said the very same thing. But mac and Da-Mans-Hot will continue to ignore it and keep up w/the BS about Jimmy must suck because Belichick wants to trade him.

I don't think jimmy g sucks.

My position has always been he hasn't done squat to warrant giving up a 1st rounder for. And he certainly hasn't warranted a 2nd rounder either. He's a backup.

As I said before, a 3rd rounder is perfectly fine. But he sure as hell ain't worth a 1st.

If you call Brady being in good shape a good answer, you are nuts man... Brady is indeed in good shape. No question, but he's going to be 40 years old pretty darn soon. (August to be exact)

Remember a fellow by the name of Brett Favre.. He was like an Iron Man. Until he wasn't anymore. It happens.

So that answer isn't worth the paper to type it on.

They also have Brissett...who they reportedly like and was drafted just last year. They are going to ride the Brady horse until it lays down and dies. Getting a good draft pick for a guy they are likely to lose/let-go-of is a very good plan.

I'd give up our 2nd 2nd Rd pick and maybe a 5th next year. I want PLAYERS FROM THIS DRAFT with our first three picks though.

I'd be most happy with JG, I don't know about giving up Garrett for him, and the miserly side of me doesn't want to give up the #12 either. I supposed packaging the #33 with perhaps our 4th or next years 3rd wouldn't have me squirming too much. But, if we absolutely had to give up #12, I'd justify it by feeling he's as good or better than any of the top three coming out. At this point (pre-hype), I'm still thinking we could get either Trubisky with the #12 or Kizer (possibly) with the #33. Given that scenario, I take JG. Assuming the hype will only move the QBs up the board, then taking JG is - to me - a no brainer, if it's possible.

The HUGE question along with the elephant in the room, does the FO recognize his value & potential (is it even possible), and can Hue set aside his ego to let it happen?

I don't think a trade for Grap would be a good idea. As stated by others, if BB is willing to give up Grap then either BB doesn't think Grap is talented enough to be the future of the Patriots or he is expecting one serious haul of draft picks/players in return for Grap. I get the part about him being a free agent after the year and BB wanting to get something in return, but with the fact that the Pats are possible Super Bowl contenders year in and year out and the number of QB injuries every year I think BB would take the chance and keep Grap and if he can't resign him take the comp pick.

Getting a little in the front there Jimmy.

Superman would never go bald.

Don't worry, he knows someone with a great doctor:

Here's a lengthy article with video breakdown of Garoppolo against Arizona and Miami. I tried to copy and paste, but with all the video is was a chopped up mess.

Should the Browns trade for Jimmy Garoppolo? A closer look

Dan Labbe, cleveland.com By Dan Labbe, cleveland.com
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on January 13, 2017 at 8:23 AM, updated January 13, 2017 at 11:02 AM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns will have a big decision to make come April 27 when they go on the clock with the No. 1 pick -- assuming they don't trade out of the top spot. They'll have to decide if they want take a quarterback with the top pick or Myles Garrett, currently the consensus top talent in this class.

That quarterback decision, though, has many layers, and one of them involves Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Garoppolo is currently Tom Brady's backup, has thrown 94 passes in three seasons and gave us a tantalizing glimpse of what he could be as a starting quarterback at the beginning of the season when Brady was serving his four-game suspension for Deflate-gate.

The Patriots could decide to trade Garoppolo, who is set to become a free agent after the 2017 season, instead of committing starting quarterback money to him or losing him for nothing if Tom Brady is still going strong.

There's also a chance that the Patriots won't trade Garoppolo because, well, Brady turns 40 in August and Father Time is undefeated.

Some are quick to point to other Patriots backups who haven't exactly gone on to have illustrious careers, including Matt Cassel, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett. They point to the Patriots system and coaching staff, all legitimate points.

The goal here, though, is to look strictly at Garoppolo in the context of the Browns quarterback decision this season because, when it comes to making this choice, Garoppolo has something that none of the potential draft picks have: NFL film -- not a ton of NFL film, but NFL film nonetheless. So, let's take a closer look at Garoppolo and see what he did in his six quarters with the Patriots this season and if there is potential that the 25-year-old could become a longtime starter in the NFL.

Let's start by looking at the numbers. In his two starts, first at Arizona and then at home against Miami, Garoppolo completed 42-of-59 passes (71 percent) for 496 yards and four touchdowns. He didn't throw an interception. He also rushed four times for 12 yards and he even caught a pass -- a batted pass of his own that he caught on the first offensive play of the second half against the Cardinals.

If you're a Pro Football Focus fan, Garoppolo graded at 68.7 against Arizona and "when provided with a clean pocket, he connected on 20-of-26 attempts for 216 yards, one touchdown and a 113.6 NFL QB rating." He graded at 84 against Miami and was described as the as the best player on the field: "Garoppolo pitched the ball all over the field and was especially impressive facing the blitz where he was 14-19 for 197 yards and two TDs."

Now, let's take all those numbers and throw them out the window. Let's dig in and take a closer look at his six quarters, what we can learn from them and what stood out, good and bad.

The usual caveats are, of course, I'm not a coach, I don't know the plays that were called and these are simply observations........

Click the link for the video footage.

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How in the world did you miss the FA part and not getting anything in return for him?

You didn't. You are just being your usual self. But you are right about one thing............I am "nuts" for trying to have an intelligent conversation w/you.

J/C

Not that I want see Tom Brady hurt but I'd like to evaluate JG's ability in a playoff game this year before a trade with us. But if that happened BB would most likely keep him aboard.

Money won't stand in the way of Belichick keeping Jimmy G if he want's to retain him...Franchise tag is one way, Transition Tag is the other. Costly, but worth it if he thinks Jimmy G can be another Tom Brady. (not that I think there will ever be another Tom Brady)

So yeah, I ignored the Free Agency issue because if he (belichick) wants him, he can keep him. It will be expensive as hell, but can be done.

So the primary issue is still Brady and when it's time for him to go and how much Belichick thinks of Jimmy G..

And insulting me isn't the way to go on this one. There is always a different point of view that can very well be valid. You'd be nuts to think otherwise

Sorry to interrupt but by not signing JG to a contract before FA in 2017 tells me BB doesn't think JG is the future. Trading with NE is usually fruitless. So going on that alone we should stick with our picks this year and let the chips fall where they may.

Which was my point, if Belichick wants to keep him, there are ways to do it.

Just because a team wants to resign a player doesn't mean the player is obligated. Brady wants to play till he is 45 and I see nothing that says he can't. Would JG want to be a backup for 6 more years? Maybe he would like to go somewhere where he can start?

And someone mentioned tagging him. You do not tag backups.

No one ever says it but the pats screwed up. The way they structured bradys contract extension gave them ZERO flexibility in this situation.

It is not unlikely but IMPOSSIBLE for them to move on from brady in less than 3 years. It is also not unlikely but IMPOSSIBLE for them to keep Jimmy G. He will be a free agent next season garnering them a late 3rd for comp pick 2 years from now. Instead they will chose to trade him for compensation kow. It's really very obvious and pretty laughable how people don't comprehend this on here. My 7 year old nephew gets it after one explanation so I would think a grown man would.

The pats painted themselves in a corner. Simple as that. They are hoping Brissett can at least be as good as Jimmy(I was Jacobys biggest supporter by far on here) but frankly it doesn't matter. Beli will likely retire when Brady does. If I was him I really wouldn't care about post brady. Sink all your assets into this next 5 years

There literally are no ways to keep him. You guys are being incredibly childish about this. Would you accept a 1 mil/yr over a FA deal upwards of 16/mil? That isn't in the realm of possibilities. There is no argument for that point of view. How can you not see that?